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Ahriman's Ultimate Goal
This video proves that Ahriman cannot be 4-B
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Ahriman's Ultimate Goal
This video proves that Ahriman cannot be 4-B
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In all seriousness, apparently Lucius fights a Bloodthirster in his novel. Now it all depends if it was in Realspace or in the Eye.
I just listened to a Lucius Audiodrama, Embrace of Pain, and he slaughters a host of Nurgle Daemons and a Daemonhost Death Guard Chaos Champion with ease, and then the Daemon posessing the Death Guard takes over and all the minor daemons fuse into it, becoming a morphed daemon the size of a Dreadnought. And Lucius beats it too, without ever getting hit.
The problem is that the audio never makes it clear in what level this daemon is in the hierarchy.
I just listened to a Lucius Audiodrama, Embrace of Pain, and he slaughters a host of Nurgle Daemons and a Daemonhost Death Guard Chaos Champion with ease, and then the Daemon posessing the Death Guard takes over and all the minor daemons fuse into it, becoming a morphed daemon the size of a Dreadnought. And Lucius beats it too, without ever getting hit.
The problem is that the audio never makes it clear in what level this daemon is in the hierarchy.
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At least it helps justify 5-A for Lucius.
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>Reads Lucius Short Story
>Lucius dies by stepping on a landmine
>Lucius dies by stepping on a landmine
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Lucius has massive inconsistency syndrome.
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Short story written by the same guy who wrote the book, where he fights a Bloodthirster.Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
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I'm actually crying with laughter.
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Lucius could be a glass cannon, considering his whole thing is dying and possessing those that kill him.
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Did he possess the landmine or something? Lol
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No, he possessed the Manufactorum worker who built the landmine on a planet in another solar system.
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What the actual ****Matthew Schroeder said:
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Technically he killed him, since he built the weapon that killed him.
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That's a loooot better than I expected his res power to be, though. Since it applies to even indirect killers who don't even need to be present.
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Yeah, it's insane.
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What the ****?
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I want a short story about Khayon making Magnus kneel.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being one of the asides in the final Black Legion book.
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What do you think about Ahriman murdering the stars tho?
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Ahriman clearly hates stars.
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I know it is super old lore, but isn't it an indication he can't destroy stars by himself?
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I think the "murder stars" is more flowery speaking on Ahriman's part. It's not quite the same as that Chaos Lord who wanted to use his ship to "extinguish the stars", which we see him literally doing, later on.
His range/destructive capacity also likely isn't as good as his AP. Like, Sanguinius definitely doesn't have the range to affect an entire solar system at once, but he still went 1 on 1 with Madail, who definitely could.
His range/destructive capacity also likely isn't as good as his AP. Like, Sanguinius definitely doesn't have the range to affect an entire solar system at once, but he still went 1 on 1 with Madail, who definitely could.
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@Azzy and Matt: So....should the feats of Ahriman's "likely higher" be taken off of his page then? IDK about Sigis(?) and Khayon, but if Ahzek is only at best 5-A, then maybe the likely higher stuff should be taken off make things more easier in tiering?
Cause that at least would make me feel more ensured of what he should ACTUALLY be at, y'know?
Cause that at least would make me feel more ensured of what he should ACTUALLY be at, y'know?
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@Cross
His best DC feat of his own power is, to my knowledge, within Tier 5. However, he does still likely scale to multiple Tier 4 characters, which is worth mentioning.
His best DC feat of his own power is, to my knowledge, within Tier 5. However, he does still likely scale to multiple Tier 4 characters, which is worth mentioning.
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I get that, Azzy. It's the fact that you and Matt (especially so so) either needs to redefine what Ahzek's higher tier could be and/or take out his current stuff that goes on his "likely higher".
For me, i would be satisfied if either one or both was done. If it's just left the same, idek what else you guys would make up for Ahzek.
Khayon and Sigis(?), not a lot to say if it's nothing else to work with them thus far.
For me, i would be satisfied if either one or both was done. If it's just left the same, idek what else you guys would make up for Ahzek.
Khayon and Sigis(?), not a lot to say if it's nothing else to work with them thus far.
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I'm kinda vehemently against 4-B Space Marines. I kinda want to downgrade Draigo to only At least 5-A, likely far higher. Cause his Tiering bugs the hell out of me.
But iunno.
But iunno.
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Draigo's tiering doesn't make sense.
But considering he's been beating Greater Daemons at their best since his inception, the 4-B part is 100% legit (unfortunately).
But considering he's been beating Greater Daemons at their best since his inception, the 4-B part is 100% legit (unfortunately).
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Super bump.
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What happen?
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I kind of support these changes
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After much consideration, I support Sigismund as Solar System level, and updated his AP. Him surviving a duel with Angron sealed the deal for me.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sigismund
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sigismund
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Looks good. What time period was said duel in, by the way?
Looks good. What time period was said duel in, by the way?
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It was during the Crusade. We only have one paragraph on it.
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Bump.
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Khayon and Ahriman, ye or nay?
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I'm a bit more sold on the "possibly Tier 4" than I was before considering new stuff such as the Masque's feats in Castellan or Ahriman causing a system's sun to disappear as part of his power up, honestly. But it depends.
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Yeah same. 40K has gotten more ridiculous now.
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Basically, I'd be fine with Khayon and Ahriman getting a "possibly 4-B" added onto their tier, but keeping their 5-A, as well. Like Kharn.
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yeah.
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I can add it, if you deem that acceptable.
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