Mickey Mouse: Conceptual Wishes

[DimeUhDozen]

As the Toon Physiology page states, Toons are made up of magic Paint that gives them sentience and their life, and that their souls are also comprised of paint. But some new info from the art book states that paint is the very basis of cartoon reality, and gives everything its color, sustenance and energy. It also harnesses the power of imagination.

Magic itself is comprised of wishes. When used in conjunction with the power of the stars in the sky, the heart’s magic has the power to make wishes come true. When used as examples, the magic of the Blue Fairy, Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother, The Genie from Aladdin, Ursula’s magic, and the influence of Neverland are mentioned. Even examples without direct magic influences like Snow White wishing for her prince imply a direct connection to fate.

This is further backed up by Mickey’s example of using magic, where multiple Disney characters like the fairies and Merlin state that the power of magic is in his heart and is derived from his own belief.

Toons can regenerate from having themselves and their paint erased, as well as having their paint directly stripped from them.

As wishes are by nature conceptual, regenerating from having this erased would be High-Godly.

In addition to this, substances like The Dip and Thinner, which can erase Toons for good, would have High-Godly Regeneration Negation.

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Neutral at first, conceptual stuff ins't something i know how we treat on-site

Btw, what about Toons in the Wasteland on Epic Mickey? They can't regen their paint. Unless we apply the regen only to a Toon's Heart, which is exactly what they lack, they having High-Godly regen would be inconsistent

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Btw, what about Toons in the Wasteland on Epic Mickey? They can't regen their paint. Unless we apply the regen only to a Toon's Heart, which is exactly what they lack, they having High-Godly regen would be inconsistent

Yeah, this would not apply to Wasteland toons.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Bump

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Bump

 

[Bobsican]

To be clear, is this proposed as a type 2 concept?

 

[DimeUhDozen]

To be clear, is this proposed as a type 2 concept?

Yes.

 

[Bobsican]

While I'm fine with the stuff making up toons is a type 2 concept, I struggle to see the correlation it has with wishes for them to then fall as type 2 concept manip. Toons being capable of making wishes does not equal them relying on the manipulation of these fundamental essences to do so.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

While I'm fine with the stuff making up toons is a type 2 concept, I struggle to see the correlation it has with wishes for them to then fall as type 2 concept manip. Toons being capable of making wishes does not equal them relying on the manipulation of these fundamental essences to do so.

The former is basically what I’m arguing for. I don’t believe they have conceptual manipulation, except perhaps Mickey’s paintbrush being able to restore and erase paint. It’s just the High-Godly.

 

[Eseseso]

Neutral. To be clear, are you also arguing that Mickey Mouse gets Type 2 CM?

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Neutral. To be clear, are you also arguing that Mickey Mouse gets Type 2 CM?

Look at the message above this one

 

[Bobsican]

The former is basically what I’m arguing for. I don’t believe they have conceptual manipulation, except perhaps Mickey’s paintbrush being able to restore and erase paint. It’s just the High-Godly.

In that case, because of how concepts work, this kind of regeneration can't just be proven by visuals, you'd want some lore explaining the act of that being included or similar when they restore themselves.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

In that case, because of how concepts work, this kind of regeneration can't just be proven by visuals, you'd want some lore explaining the act of that being included or similar when they restore themselves.

The CRT ins't based only on visuals, though? It has statements regarding the nature of their magical paint

 

[Bobsican]

The CRT ins't based only on visuals, though? It has statements regarding the nature of their magical paint

Yeah, but this just assumes that the characters losing their color or being scattered as dust means that their paint was also removed too, which is assumptive without details of that involving this sort of paint in particular, same way soul erasure isn't assumed to be involved when it comes to characters being erased.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Yeah, but this just assumes that the characters losing their color or being scattered as dust means that their paint was also removed too, which is assumptive without details of that involving this sort of paint in particular

Toons can regenerate from having themselves and their paint erased, as well as having their paint directly stripped from them.

 

[Bobsican]

And I was talking about those scans in particular, so that doesn't change my point.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Yeah, but this just assumes that the characters losing their color or being scattered as dust means that their paint was also removed too, which is assumptive without details of that involving this sort of paint in particular, same way soul erasure isn't assumed to be involved when it comes to characters being erased.

In the examples Accelerated pointed out in the last reply, Donald was fully erased, leaving no paint in sight, yet he regenerates immediately afterwards. Same thing with the Beast roaring their paint and the set-piece away. Their paint is what composes their bodies and souls, which in nature is magic, which is synonymous with wishes and imagination as of the Blue Fairy’s statement and the art book.

 

[Bobsican]

All of that implies that paint is physical, which shuts the whole idea on the foot, it has to be something incorporeal that makes them up and by extension can't be visually interacted with like that, requiring statements to prove such sorts of involvements on these regards or simply being no different from atoms otherwise, namely as going around this would require even further assumptions to say the least.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

All of that implies that paint is physical, which shuts the whole idea on the foot, it has to be something incorporeal that makes them up and by extension can't be visually interacted with like that, requiring statements to prove such sorts of involvements on these regards or simply being no different from atoms otherwise.

Paint itself is a physical thing, but what makes it up is abstract and directly linked to it. It’s a substance that harnesses imagination, something that cannot be physically touched, and in addition to this, the linked scan states it makes up all of a Toon’s reality, which also includes incorporeal things like souls/ghosts that have been also proven to be paint-based by Smart Ass’s Dipping. When something is thinned out, it loses all of it’s essence and can only be restored by more paint.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Bump?

 

[Theglassman12]

I’m not really seeing high godly here, at best this would be mid godly. Plus the clip of Donald Duck being erased doesn’t really help here when he’s shown to walk in from offscreen like he had a duplicate of himself rather than him popping back into existence.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I’m not really seeing high godly here, at best this would be mid godly

Could you give a better explanation of why what's written on the OP doesn't qualifies as High-Godly?

Genuine question

Plus the clip of Donald Duck being erased doesn’t really help here when he’s shown to walk in from offscreen like he had a duplicate of himself rather than him popping back into existence.

This would only be possible if he had duplicated himself before getting erased, since it would technically impossible for him to do so after "dying"

Him popping back into existence seems to be the logical conclusion and the real implication and intention of the scene, in my view

 

[Theglassman12]

Paint being magic and being comprised of wishes doesn't tell me much on it being a fundamental part of existence akin to conceptual or informational stuff. If there's any parallels of magic/paint being one of those kinds of fundamental building blocks I could see it, but the evidence here is insufficient.

Or he just had a clone active before he got erased, if he was erased and came back, he would've popped back into existence like Courage the Cowardly Dog, but him just walking in from off screen just looks like he had another clone of himself (knowing cartoon logic, that's likely the case).

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Paint being magic and being comprised of wishes doesn't tell me much on it being a fundamental part of existence akin to conceptual or informational stuff. If there's any parallels of magic/paint being one of those kinds of fundamental building blocks I could see it, but the evidence here is insufficient.

But some new info from the art book states that paint is the very basis of cartoon reality, and gives everything its color, sustenance and energy. It also harnesses the power of imagination.

What about this?

Or he just had a clone active before he got erased, if he was erased and came back, he would've popped back into existence like Courage the Cowardly Dog, but him just walking in from off screen just looks like he had another clone of himself (knowing cartoon logic, that's likely the case).

Being honest with you, that's a completely baseless assumption

 

[Theglassman12]

That doesn't tell me anything about it being conceptual beyond cartoons being made of paint, which is hardly much different than "everything is made of atoms in the universe" type statements.

The fact he doesn't pop into existence after getting erased and just walks in offscreen makes the duplication far more likely than him regenerating on the spot with no implication of said regeneration being what he did.