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Mha minor hax addition (Staff Needed)

Danny33wise

Danny33wise

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This is my first crt and it gonna be short and direct.

The todoroki's should be getting:

Weather Manipulation/Environmental Destruction: Due to the todoroki's constantly fighting they where able to change the weather. This change in weather was capable of generating lightning and rain.

Shoto would be getting:

Limited Fusionism: Capable of merging both his fire and ice to create phosphor.

Resistance to Durability Negation: His phosphor was achieved through the use of his circulatory system. His blood was generating both hot and cold to his heart.

Further more explanation:

The blood circulatory system (cardiovascular system) delivers nutrients and oxygen to all cells in the body. It consists of the heart and the blood vessels running through the entire body. The arteries carry blood away from the heart; the veins carry it back to the heart.

Supernatural Willpower: have been shown to push through his limits to achieve victory.

Acrobatics: have been shown to have acrobatics movement.

Social Influencing: His victory over dabi influenced other heroes and student to do their best and go beyond from this part of the battlefield.

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:
 
I agree on everything except the dura negation. We already have Resistance to Heat / Cold for that.

His reputation as the son of the No.1, his showings at the sports festival and in the war should grant him Social influencing as he should be very well known.
 
57Dev said:
except the dura negation. We already have Resistance to Heat / Cold for that.
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I was actually kind of iffy on the resistance to dura neg but it honestly has a foundation to stand on or am just totally misinterpreting things. Since their are different types of dura neg on the page

  • Attacking internal structures - An attack somehow bypasses the upper layers of the body and attacks the internal organs or an equivalent. This can be done in a wide variety of ways. It is considered a form of negation due to the fact that internal structures and specifically parts whose function isn't to support the structure and stability of the body are much easier to injure or otherwise damage.
The example in my head was, if character A was to spawn fire inside on shoto it wouldn't work since one of the main properties of phosphor requires him to use his internal organs. At best the resistance might likely be limited to fire and ice. Stuff like spatial bursting him would still work but doing damage via spawning heat or cold in him shouldn't work.

It should still be countered as resistance even if limited.
 
57Dev said:
His reputation as the son of the No.1, his showings at the sports festival and in the war should grant him Social influencing as he should be very well known.
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... no. that's not how SI works on this wiki:

"the ability to influence a person emotionally, psychologically, and overall, mentally, either to gain an advantage, or have them do certain tasks. This ability is highly advantageous in an intellectual warfare between characters. This ability can have various forms, including deception, fear instigation, seduction, coercion, etc."

Shoto has to actually be manipulative in one way or another, he can't just gain it by his title or people knowing him due to his feats in battle.
 
Nierre said:
... no. that's not how SI works on this wiki:

"the ability to influence a person emotionally, psychologically, and overall, mentally, either to gain an advantage, or have them do certain tasks. This ability is highly advantageous in an intellectual warfare between characters. This ability can have various forms, including deception, fear instigation, seduction, coercion, etc."

Shoto has to actually be manipulative in one way or another, he can't just gain it by his title or people knowing him due to his feats in battle.
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That's not why he is getting social Influencing though. His single victory over dabi gave all might hope, made kirishima and mina all pumped up and trying to go plus ultra, it affected Mt lady, bunch of no named heroes where also hyped and trying to do their best due to his victory.

What's your vote though.
 
Nierre said:
... no. that's not how SI works on this wiki:

"the ability to influence a person emotionally, psychologically, and overall, mentally, either to gain an advantage, or have them do certain tasks. This ability is highly advantageous in an intellectual warfare between characters. This ability can have various forms, including deception, fear instigation, seduction, coercion, etc."

Shoto has to actually be manipulative in one way or another, he can't just gain it by his title or people knowing him due to his feats in battle.
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I am pretty sure Johh Wick has SI on reputation alone.
 
Danny33wise said:
How 🤔❓
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The MHA tag and Todoroki's tags wouldn't lead anyone coming from those pages here.

Instead use the "my hero academia", "shouto todoroki" and "enji todoroki" tags that are being used on those pages for more visibility

As for the thread itself, it was said that the heat caused by the three Todorokis combined with an already existing tropical low pressure in Japan, the key word is combined, the heat by itself did not create a storm, and even if it did, it would not be weather manipulation for them, it would just be the physics of nature doing its job, all the Todorokis did was release large amounts of heat.

This is why All Might doesn't have Weather Manipulation, all he did was raise warm air.

Limited Fusionism is fine.

Resistance to Durability Negation: His phosphor was achieved through the use of his circulatory system. His blood was generating both hot and cold to his heart.
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This is just Resistance to Heat and Cold extending all throughout his body, even inside.

Supernatural Willpower is fine.

Acrobatics needs a scan or video showing said acrobatics (I don't remember Shoto moving with any kind of complicated motion, but he probably can perform superhuman movements with his powers).

Social Influence is fine even with just reputation alone.
 
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Therefir said:
it was said that the heat caused by the three Todorokis combined with an already existing tropical low pressure in Japan, the key word is combined, the heat by itself did not create a storm, and even if it did, it would not be weather manipulation for them, it would just be the physics of nature doing its job, all the Todorokis did was release large amounts of heat.
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Actually it would indeed grant them weather Manipulation. What the news lady said was:

"The convection currents caused by repeated heat spikes have combined with a tropical Low Presure system in Japan's Southwest...To form an unprecedented type of enormous, inferno cumulonimbus cloud."

What this simply means is that while the heat combined with an already existing typhoon which resulted in a pyro cumulonimbus storm we saw in the manga, said storm of that magnitude would have never existed without the todoroki's. The expansion of that storm was due to the todoroki's constant fight that expanded it in the first place.

I've seen Sasuke get weather Manipulation due to him heating up the air to create lightning. That is not standard weather Manipulation, that is simply indirectly manipulating the weather through nature. The todoroki's would still be getting weather Manipulation even if done via nature.
Therefir said:
This is why All Might doesn't have Weather Manipulation, all he did was raise warm air.
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I honestly think all might should be getting Environmental Destruction due to that. Theirs honestly multiple ways that I interpret said feat and how it was done:

• He most likely created an updraft. Essentially punched so hard he made all the warmth and moisture go up to the sky and formed rainclouds in a very short period of time. Googling updrafts will explain it better.

• Another possibility is that the torrent of air he made pulled the rainclouds nearby to the city. This is more insane but less likely since we don't actually see it happen.

• Sudden clash of cold and warm air currents creates clouds if there is enough moisture in the air, thus rain. That's literally how storms are made (altho displacement of air currents was quicker and clouds formed almost instantly, shonen logic)

Am not interested in the all might feat but I do know why you brought it up but it still doesn't invalidate what the todoroki's did.
Therefir said:
Acrobatics needs a scan or video showing said acrobatics (I don't remember Shoto moving with any kind of complicated motion, but he probably can perform superhuman movements with his powers).
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It mostly due to the bolded part with some feat like the stunt he did with the balancing move on chimera shoulder. He also was able to summon his ice mid air during the sport festival when Bakugo tossed him with force and he was spinning (minor) mid air.
Therefir said:
This is just Resistance to Heat and Cold extending all throughout his body, even inside.
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You are not wrong on this claim but neither am I. I put it as resistance to dura neg due to my research on the circulatory system and it weakness. Take a look at this:

1. Temperature Regulation Issues: The ability to manipulate temperatures drastically (ice and fire) could lead to severe internal and external temperature imbalances. This could result in hypothermia or hyperthermia depending on the situation.

2. Tissue Damage: Rapid changes in temperature can cause tissue damage, particularly in the skin, internal organs, and blood vessels. For instance, extreme cold could lead to frostbite, while intense heat could cause burns and internal injuries.

3. Cardiovascular Strain: The circulatory system would be under considerable stress. Rapid changes in temperature affect blood vessel constriction and dilation, potentially leading to cardiovascular complications such as irregular heartbeat, high blood pressure, or even cardiac arrest.

4. Metabolic Demand: Controlling such extreme temperatures would likely require a significant metabolic demand, potentially leading to increased energy consumption and fatigue. Prolonged use could lead to exhaustion and metabolic imbalances.

5. Respiratory Effects: Extreme cold or heat could affect the respiratory system, causing breathing difficulties, especially if the lungs are exposed to sudden temperature changes.

6. Neurological Impact: Temperature extremes can affect nerve function, leading to numbness, tingling, or even nerve damage over time.

Regarding potential death, if not used carefully, such could indeed pose a lethal risk. For example:

- Severe Hypothermia or Hyperthermia they could suffer from extreme temperature conditions that the body cannot withstand, leading to death from organ failure or shock.

- Cardiac Complications: Sudden changes in body temperature can trigger heart attacks or arrhythmias, which could be fatal.

In conclusion, in reality, its effects would be highly dangerous without strict control and management, potentially leading to severe health consequences and even death if misused or if the body cannot handle the extremes of temperature manipulation.

We obviously know shoto body can handle extreme heat, but his internal organs which includes his heart was resisting the mechanics of phosphor. I think it works both way especially if you look at things from my perspective which is biological explanation.

I do hope I was able convince to some of my point but if not I will add your disagreements to weather Manipulation and durability negation.
 
"The convection currents caused by repeated heat spikes have combined with a tropical Low Presure system in Japan's Southwest...To form an unprecedented type of enormous, inferno cumulonimbus cloud."
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As you can see in the quote, their heat spikes only created convection currents, heat-driven cycles that occur in the air, there's no storm creation involved in the Todorokis' side, their heat just enhanced an already existing storm.

The expansion of that storm was due to the todoroki's constant fight that expanded it in the first place.
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I don't think this counts either, as the Todorokis depend on outside factors for the creation of the storm (if there was no storm in the first place, then they won't be able to create it or expand it, or maybe they could create it but we lack the proof of that).

I've seen Sasuke get weather Manipulation due to him heating up the air to create lightning.
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That's a different situation, he isn't depending on an existing storm to summon one on his own, and even in that case he seems to have got a Limited Weather Manip.

Durability Negation is the ability to bypass someone's normal durability to affect their weaker parts. If someone attacks Shoto with their durability negation, they are still able to bypass his durability like normal, it wouldn't be any less effective than before.

However, since his organs are stronger against heat and cold, these kind of attacks would be less effective against Shoto in this case, but not because the Durability Negation itself was resisted, but because his organs have resistance to those temperatures.

At least that's how I see it when it comes to Durability Negation attacks, for example let's talk about when Saitama was hit by an attack that bypassed his skin and targeted his internal organs, with him being completely unaffected. Did Saitama get Resistance to Durability Negation because of this? No, as the attack itself reached his organs just fine, it's just that his internal organs are so durable that such kind of Durability Negation wouldn't do anything to him, but he isn't resisting any negation of durability, and the same applies to Shoto.

As for the points that you listed, I don't think Shoto's internal organs are being affected in those ways, as his own resistance protects him from suffering the negative effects, which means he doesn't really have to worry about tissue damage or cardiac complications in the first place (what does this have to do with durability negation again?).
 
Therefir said:
Snipe
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So you disagree on dura neg and weather Manipulation but agree to the rest, cool.

But since you didn't sat anything on acrobatics does that mean you agree to it?

Also, do you mind tagging some other mod so this could get accepted and closed? That would really cool.
 
Been busy (still am) but I will put the link for the acrobatics 2day or 2morrow. If anyone is curious about the scene am talking about, it in the shoto vs leviathan fight where he performed a stunt and also in is his bakugo fight where he summoned his ice mid air after being launched with full for by bakugo.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Everything but Durability Negation Resistance and Social Influencing is fine to me
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Yeah I've already seen the error in dura neg. But what if it where to be changed into resistance to biology manipulation? Someone like sukuna got his resistance to biology manipulation due to being able to withstand jogo meteor and jogo knowing he would lose easily in a domain clash despite his domain being able to vape Someone easily.

Phosphor uses internal organs as a way to power the technique and here's what it says in the bio manipulation page:

Ability to manipulate organic beings. May range from minor body control to matter manipulation at molecular level. In addition, biological manipulation often provides a high level of adaptation (might also lead to reactive evolution), immunity to various influences (such as poisons or diseases), and heal wounds at an accelerated rate (or even regenerate).

Supporting feat: when dabi used this technique he was burning far quicker and was gonna explode despite him also having ice (even if it minor) but when shoto uses phosphor when only has stamina issues but no other problems.

As for social Influencing, besides deku and all might shoto has the most feat. He was able to give hope to lot of heroes in different areas after he beat dabi, when dabi was about to explode some children believed shoto would come and stop it, in mha Tum shoto was able to put a girl in a daze for a few seconds just by being handsome, and in mha ending he was stated to have the capability to surpass mirio whose whole deal is charisma and making people laugh. I think social Influencing is balantly obvious.

Do you agree to this change or should I still leave it as disagree?
 
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