The_Yellow_Topaz
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Assuming Meruem sees Gojo as a fight, which the match assumes to be the case, he will use Ren immediately.
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Meruem vs Satoru Gojo: A Very Bad Idea on my Part. 😅
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Arkenis
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You're just wrong then. Even Ren has shown to push back people and push back clothing just like it was air. So this stuff definitely has mass to it. And Infinity can block out conceptual energy energy like curse energy, I doubt it being just spiritual is gonna matter here. Where's it stated Nen has no mass also and shape isn't really needed to block it, Gojo can block out smoke from Jogo. Another thing just to further my point, Gojo's infinity on page tells us he can block out numerous cursed techs like Kenjaku's gravity, like Uro's spatial, and given the guys stated to be inviolable with it, it would block out Inumaki's cursed speech tech too.
The_Yellow_Topaz
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That's because there's air around the person in place, and Ren generates force, thus creating wind. It doesn't have mass.
It's inherently a different energy with different properties. Either prove Gojo has interacted with such energy or stop using non-proof.
It's a type of fictional vital energy, it has no mass.
The particle of smoke has mass and shape.
Cool, he still can't block Nen, again these are non-proofs. Gravity and Space are quite literally what infinity is able to interact with to create it's effect.
EL_xWatcher1234x
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Don't be that guy
EL_xWatcher1234x
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Not sure, but aren't those based on CE? So blocking CE will be enough.
The_Yellow_Topaz
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So even less of a proof, tbh
EL_xWatcher1234x
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When it comes to VSbattles, JJK verse is a real mess.
Arkenis
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No? The effect is possible through Forcefield Creation, Mathematics Manipulation, & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2)
It's effects can then allow Gojo to manip those two, but its not where the effect comes from.
What do you mean?
How do you think force occurs? Where is it stated Nen has no mass? Please show that
EL_xWatcher1234x
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The_Yellow_Topaz
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Very cool, still ain't blocking Nen.
Because Nen is energy, therefore it has no mass.
Aura can pass through matter, therefore it has no matter.
Stop repeating the same question, I'll not entertain this any further.
Arkenis
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The crt hasn't been concluded, what are you talking about?
"Cursed energy is energy, therefore it has no mass".
Please come up with a better argument, something from the manga explaining Nen being massless.
The_Yellow_Topaz
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Limitless is cursed energy therefore it can interact with cursed energy. It cannot interact with Nen.
It's not made out of matter, wtf do you want me to say? Can you prove it has mass? Because that's your ******* assumption.
That's it, I'm leaving.
Arkenis
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Limitless is not cursed energy. Don't you think if the Limitless was just curse energy they'd be able to interact with it like they can with curse energy? Cursed Techs are powered by Curse Energy, we get this told i ch12 . I'm urging you to read the cursed energy page to get a better understanding on how it works.
Maybe present a good argument for why nen has no mass, maybe provide something from the manga showing that to be the case. And I did show proof. I showed you an aspect of it that shows it has mass to it, force, without mass there can be no force applied to Gon on a physical level like we see done by Hisoka.
Are you asking if gravity and space are based on ce? The answer is no, Gojo's limitless allows him to manipulate those two, they are not made from ce.
I am beginning to believe you two haven't read the manga.
EL_xWatcher1234x
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It's literally a CE technique, that is created from CE and depend on it, just disrupting, absorbing or erasing CE will be enough to counter it Like the black whip or Toji's heveanly spear.
Nen, Ki, Chakra... are supernatural energies and not elemental particles.
Do they come from a CE technique ?
An object doesn't need to manipulate space in order to bypass or null infinity, because interfering with CE will be enough like the blackwhip.
Nen is a little bit similar to CE:
Nen
Nen (念ネン or ネン, Nen, "Sense"; "Mind Force" in the Viz translation) is the manipulation of the life energy within every living being and is the overarching term for many techniques regarding the manipulation of life energy in the world of Hunter x Hunter. It can also be called Aura. A person...
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Arkenis
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It is powered by ce, they are not the same. And the whip disrupts ct effects and the spear stops ct, not ce itself.
Yet still show us they have mass. Why is that so hard to understand? Supernatural energies can have mass, is nen stated to not have mass?
I've already address this, The Limitless allows for control over those two, it is not creating gravity or space.
Gojo's infinity is inviolable to space manipulation like Uro's. Read the page. And I already address the black whip.
No. Nen is mind force or spiritual energy which ever you'd like to thinkNen is a little bit similar to CE:
Nen
Nen (念ネン or ネン, Nen, "Sense"; "Mind Force" in the Viz translation) is the manipulation of the life energy within every living being and is the overarching term for many techniques regarding the manipulation of life energy in the world of Hunter x Hunter. It can also be called Aura. A person...
Its really not but lets go with that.Nen is a little bit similar to CE:
Nen
Nen (念ネン or ネン, Nen, "Sense"; "Mind Force" in the Viz translation) is the manipulation of the life energy within every living being and is the overarching term for many techniques regarding the manipulation of life energy in the world of Hunter x Hunter. It can also be called Aura. A person...
If they are similar and you want to propose such a thing then this makes my argument stronger as Gojo can block out curse energy of varying intensity.
Not a normal barrier no. It would have to be spiritual or be manipulating something that interacts with things like Gojo's limitless does.
The_Yellow_Topaz
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Don't bang your head on a brick wall.It's literally a CE technique, that is created from CE and depend on it, just disrupting, absorbing or erasing CE will be enough to counter it Like the black whip or Toji's heveanly spear.
Nen, Ki, Chakra... are supernatural energies and not elemental particles.
Do they come from a CE technique ?
An object doesn't need to manipulate space in order to bypass or null infinity, because interfering with CE will be enough like the blackwhip.
Nen is a little bit similar to CE:
Do you think a barrier could protect Gojo from Nen?Nen
Nen (念ネン or ネン, Nen, "Sense"; "Mind Force" in the Viz translation) is the manipulation of the life energy within every living being and is the overarching term for many techniques regarding the manipulation of life energy in the world of Hunter x Hunter. It can also be called Aura. A person...
Should I provide scans of Nen being stated to be energy, show it phasing through matter? Because it sounds like you don't even know wtf mass is.
You didn't finish high school if you think mass is the only way to generate force.
Arkenis
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It won't matter. But sure
Now which force do you think Nen applies? It can push things, it can break matter, seems like it can apply several different forces no? And are you're comparing Nen to electromagnetic waves? If I show you Cursed Energy being stated to be energy and Gojo stopping it, you gonna drop this point?
The_Yellow_Topaz
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You lack basic understanding of what matter/mass is.
Momentum, pure energy, heat.
That's force.
That's still force.
No, I'm stating you've failed school because you think mass is necessary for force to exist. Nen is a fictional energy.
No, because it's unrelated to this problem, Cursed Energy can interact with Cursed Energy, that's been established already.
Arkenis
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What is pure energy? There are several different types of energy, which does nen fall under?
I've told the both of you that the Limitless is not curse energy, and showed ya how Ct work in JJK. It is Gojo manipulating the infinity in nature. Even Gojo's basic explanation of it should explain to you that Nen can not get through.
At this point ya just ignoring half the stuff I've been saying lmao, I told ya Gojo can already block out stuff like sound, space, gravity, things with no mass. I mean shit its on the page for how the ability works and you've dumbed it down to "but it can't stop no mass lol"
Akin to the way Achilles will never catch the tortoise due to the potential, infinite amounts of finite space separating them or how the real number one will never touch the actual number two due to the infinite amount of fractions that separate them, the opponent will never touch Satoru due to the infinity between them. The main cast agrees that Gojo's Infinity is impossible to bypass and is inviolable,[17] which means that the many Cursed Techniques they've witnessed are useless against him, which likely includes Uro's Thin Ice Breaker, a technique that Yuta can use,[18][19] Kenjaku's Antigravity System Reversal,[20] and Yuki's Black Hole[21])
Here's another argument for you: Nen travels in space, Infinity keeps fractioning the aura and it will never reach him. It does not need to be massless to not get through, it has to bypass the fractioning of space to get through, this is why Sukuna needed to bypass it entirely and instead attack the world itself, not cuz his slashes had mass lmao.
EL_xWatcher1234x
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Gojo's infinity could't protect him from the barrier that Sukuna used to touch him or DE, so yes it can protect him from somr attacks but there is limitation.
Most people called it a NLF, and knowing that it took Sukuna a lot of time to even think of using his ability to cut space in order to touch Gojo, I will say that most characters don't even know their limitation or what their power could do, just how many time was Gojo surprised because someone found a way to bypass his infinity.
Saying it could block anything that travel space is a NLF, condidering it can't block anything smaller than atoms. Sukuna is CE based cutting technique and all Sukuna did is change the target to "the world" in order to cut space , unless you're saying all of Sukuna's attacks cut space.
I don't get why they interpretate "the world" as the concept of the world or reality instead of just space even though he doesn't have any proof of CM to support it.
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Sukunas target for his World Cutter was noted by himself to extend to space, existence and the world itself, it’s not just a space slash.
Arkenis
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Cuz they neutralize the ct...
Twice? And it was by things that neutralize the ct or attack the world itself lmao. Now I'm certain you haven't read the manga.
EL_xWatcher1234x
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So nothing about cutting the concept itself, right?
Infinity can't prevent some CE based technique from reaching Gojo, meaning Gojo's infinity doesn't protect him from the energy itself.
let's see:
1)Miguel's black rope: it can disrupt or null CT
2)Toji's inverted spear of heaven: it can null CT
3)Sukuna targeting "the world"
4)Sukuna domain amplification
5)Domain expansion
Not sure about this one, didn't Gojo touch "the curtain"?
These are just things that cole from the power system of the verse, without mentioning being unable to affect something faster than his perception or smaller than atom, and just a new energy/attack will be too complex for him to analyse .
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Arkenis
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What???
You said surprised.
1. Miguel he wasn't surprised.
2. Toji yeah he was surprised cuz it was the first time he saw it lol.
3. Sukuna targeting the world was surprising, same with Maho.
4. He wasn't surprised by domain amp, he already saw it against Jogo and Hanami and was calm about it and even figured it out on first try.
5. He already knows domains can neutralize his tech. Read the manga.
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is nen passive??
EL_xWatcher1234x
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I meant if infinit could protect him from CE, it will make every CT useless.
My bad, when I say surprise I mean he isn't 100% sure it could bypass infinity and not him feeling danger in that situation, his overconfident.
He never saw anything like the black rope until he met Miguel.
I meant on his first time seeing it, do we have that scene?
Arkenis
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No. But given it's Meruem he's likely to activate Ren very quickly.
Arkenis
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It does make every cursed tech useless except for the ones that neutralize techs.
Okay, why does this matter? Every instance we are talking about is different from some aura.
EL_xWatcher1234x
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That's why it's a NLF to say that it could protect him from every attack that need to travel space, the domain is just covering the person in his CE.
Aren't those technique dependent on CE, If his infinity could work on CE those technique wouldn't be able to touch him, but he can't affect the energy itself. That's why Meruem's aura could will reach him.
I'm neutral for now.
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Arkenis
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it neutralizes the ct. Idk what else to tell you
EL_xWatcher1234x
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Do you have a proof that infinity preventing cursed energy from reaching Gojo?
Arkenis
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Yeah Cursed spirits are made out of curse energy and he can block them out.
EL_xWatcher1234x
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Didn't Maho manipulate his energy to cut Gojo's arm?
Arkenis
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I don't know what you're referring to or how it has relevance here
EL_xWatcher1234x
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The scene when Mahoraga cut Gojo's arm and reached the building behind him (chapter234), how did he do it exactly?
EL_xWatcher1234x
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So, why are we assuming Gojo's infinity will work on another supernatural energy?
BTW what chapter?
Arkenis
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What do you mean?
EL_xWatcher1234x
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That it prove Gojo's infinity doesn't fully work on supernatural energy, and possibly because Maho learn that attack from Sukuna we can assume Sukuna's slashes to be energy projectiles.
Arkenis
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It doesn't work when that energy is altered from its original form and can nullify the limitless otherwise no.
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This is actually not when Maho altered his energy, this is when he targeted the world.
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