Megatron faces Carnage Kabuto (7-3-0)

[Drite77]

Think this will be neat, Megatron power-linked with Leader-1 is used against base Carnage Kabuto, speed is equalized, they start 10 meters apart and Carnage Mode is restricted

Megatron: 7 (Drite77, Arkansalter2, Jackythejack, CastoriceTheFifth, Shadowslash125, MannyQ361, Nonynho)

AP and Durability of 97.3 Megatons of TNT

• LS of 10,454,248.56 Tons
• Standing at 6.985 meters tall

Carnage Kabuto: 3 (XSOULOFCINDERX, Kachon123, Raiden38)

• AP and Durability of 100 Megatons of TNT
• LS of >255,526.571 Tons
• Standing at 3.5 meters tall

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

If Megatron keeps his distance then he has a good shot at winning but I don't think he will if CK manages to grab him due to the difference in stats. It's also possible that if Megatron is about to land a killing blow that CK's instincts will allow him to avoid it like what happened against Saitama at the start of their fight.

 

[Drite77]

If Megatron keeps his distance then he has a good shot at winning but I don't think he will if CK manages to grab him due to the difference in stats. It's also possible that if Megatron is about to land a killing blow that CK's instincts will allow him to avoid it like what happened against Saitama at the start of their fight.

The difference is not that big though

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The difference is not that big though

In terms of Lifting Strength it is, which means that every blow is gonna send Megatron flying like a ragdoll even if the damage isn't too crazy. That's absolutely gonna mess with his fighting ability.

 

[Drite77]

In terms of Lifting Strength it is, which means that every blow is gonna send Megatron flying like a ragdoll even if the damage isn't too crazy. That's absolutely gonna mess with his fighting ability.

10,454,248.56 vs 255,526.571 '-'

Megs is 10 million, CK is >255k, Megs has that advantage

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

10,454,248.56 vs 255,526.571 '-'

Megs is 10 million, CK is >255k, Megs has that advantage

The ******* > threw me off by shoving the space around. In that case ignore what I said before, but there is one thing I forgot to mention in my previous post. Carnage Kabuto can reflect energy attacks with his breath so that's gonna be a pain in the ass for Megatron to deal with if it works the same way on his as it did against Genos. Also I'm not sure who's the more skilled fighter here as Carnage Kabuto is able to fight on par with Darkshine even while in a borderline mindless state and again that damn instinctive Pseudo-Precog might save his ass from any killing moves Megatron makes.

 

[Drite77]

Megatron is somewhat comparable in skill to someone who has mastered every Cybertronian Martial Art as well as created some of his own, while also having 1 million years of experience. Megatron is also almost twice CK's size, which I think shouldn't be overlooked, don't know how CK fairs against those.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that just via his breath? He seems to need to gather some before blowing out, if they are very up close, and Megatron has shown using both his hip cannon and Leader-1 while fighing up close, wouldn't CK not be able to use those? Megatron also lacks anything that can instantly kill CK (Well, that he would rather use anyway), so I don't know if that would come into place

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Megatron is somewhat comparable in skill to someone who has mastered every Cybertronian Martial Art as well as created some of his own, while also having 1 million years of experience. Megatron is also almost twice CK's size, which I think shouldn't be overlooked, don't know how CK fairs against those.

My problem with that is, while impressive, OPM skill scaling is ******* insanity especially since Carnage Kabuto scales to a dude who, admittedly through raw strength at first, was putting the paws on Half-Monster Garou for awhile and I'm almost certain Garou would beat the dogshit out of Megatron in skill.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that just via his breath? He seems to need to gather some before blowing out, if they are very up close, and Megatron has shown using both his hip cannon and Leader-1 while fighing up close, wouldn't CK not be able to use those? Megatron also lacks anything that can instantly kill CK (Well, that he would rather use anyway), so I don't know if that would come into place

It's still two very key abilities in his arsenal and it really didn't take that long to pull off. Even if Megs can't insta-kill CK he'd still know if something is dangerous to him or not with that ability.

 

[Drite77]

OPM skill scaling is ******* insanity especially since Carnage Kabuto scales to a dude who, admittedly through raw strength at first, was putting the paws on Half-Monster Garou for awhile and I'm almost certain Garou would beat the dogshit out of Megatron in skill.

From what I've read in both profiles, and feel free to correct me, Darkshine was strong enough to kill Garou in one hit, once Garou became relative to Darkshine, Darkshine got stomped

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

From what I've read in both profiles, and feel free to correct me, Darkshine was strong enough to kill Garou in one hit, once Garou became relative to Darkshine, Darkshine got stomped

Yes, but he still had to land hits on Garou to do that and that's extremely impressive in the first place. Darkshine also sparred with Bang in the past and while he lost that fight, he admits he adapted to dealing with that kind of fighting style to some extent and considering the kind of skill shenanigans people on that level can do that's ridiculous. Again, Carnage Kabuto scales to this dude in skill with a form that basically renders him borderline mindless so Base CK should be able to fight better just purely off of having a functioning brain.

 

[Drite77]

Yes, but he still had to land hits on Garou to do that and that's extremely impressive in the first place. Darkshine also sparred with Bang in the past and while he lost that fight, he admits he adapted to dealing with that kind of fighting style to some extent and considering the kind of skill shenanigans people on that level can do that's ridiculous. Again, Carnage Kabuto scales to this dude in skill with a form that basically renders him borderline mindless so Base CK should be able to fight better just purely off of having a functioning brain.

Once again, I don't know a lot about this, this is the only scan I have for the fight, from what I gather: Darkshine tackled, Garou tried to deflect it (Not exactly dodge), he couldn't, then he got attacked. Darkshine's profile itself comments he is not exactly super skilled, I don't think DS would be near Megatron in those terms.

Judging from CK's profile (Where he is the pinnacle of humanity), wouldn't CK and Megatron just be equivalent in skill with megatron being largely more experienced?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Once again, I don't know a lot about this, this is the only scan I have for the fight, from what I gather: Darkshine tackled, Garou tried to deflect it (Not exactly dodge), he couldn't, then he got attacked. Darkshine's profile itself comments he is not exactly super skilled, I don't think DS would be near Megatron in those terms.

Judging from CK's profile (Where he is the pinnacle of humanity), wouldn't CK and Megatron just be equivalent in skill with megatron being largely more experienced?

Experience is the most overblown metric in all of versus debating. It matters far less than skill and in a fight against someone who's slightly stronger than him, has Pseudo-Precog and can potentially blow his own projectiles back at him then Megatron is gonna be struggling really damn bad in this fight.

 

[Drite77]

Experience is the most overblown metric in all of versus debating. It matters far less than skill and in a fight against someone who's slightly stronger than him, has Pseudo-Precog and can potentially blow his own projectiles back at him then Megatron is gonna be struggling really damn bad in this fight.

Do you want me to count that as a vote for CK? Or are you not fully sure yet?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Do you want me to count that as a vote for CK? Or are you not fully sure yet?

I'm voting for CK because I think he edges out Megatron just enough to win.

 

[Drite77]

I'm voting for CK because I think he edges out Megatron just enough to win.

I'll update the OP once I'm home. I myself will vote for Megatron. I don't think I am exactly convinced about their skill level being too different, and using the profiles I also believe Megs to have an edge.

Megs also has an overwhelming LS advantage for strugglrd together and I don't think CK would be able to use his attack reflection while they are fighting in CQC

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Kachon123]

Carnage Kabuto is noted to have intelligence far surpassing the human race, and is also physically stronger than Megatron.

Also, Base Carnage Kabuto's LS is 14,469,453.5 Metric Tons, scaling above Deep Sea King and Post-VGS Genos. His profile is just outdated. So he also has the LS advantage.

 

[Drite77]

Carnage Kabuto is noted to have intelligence far surpassing the human race, and is also physically stronger than Megatron.

Also, Base Carnage Kabuto's LS is 14,469,453.5 Metric Tons, scaling above Deep Sea King and Post-VGS Genos. His profile is just outdated. So he also has the LS advantage.

The thread that upgraded the LS is said to be this one, but there is nothing being talked about any LS changes, did you link the wrong thread?

 

[Kachon123]

It's in the OP.

 

[Drite77]

It's in the OP.

The OP mentions Stinger's AP being 8-B, nothing about any LS changes

 

[Kachon123]

And it links the calc. Stinger's LS wasn't upgraded so it wasn't mentioned for him.

Anyways, what is Megatron's main wincon?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Going with Megatron here. Megatron has probably a million years worth of combat experience which is higher than whatever Kabuto got going on.
Megatron, mid diff.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Experience is the most overblown metric in all of versus debating. It matters far less than skill and in a fight against someone who's slightly stronger than him, has Pseudo-Precog and can potentially blow his own projectiles back at him then Megatron is gonna be struggling really damn bad in this fight.

 

[Drite77]

And it links the calc. Stinger's LS wasn't upgraded so it wasn't mentioned for him.

Anyways, what is Megatron's main wincon?

CQC, but still not sure about that LS, it was not in the OP of that thread, the calc itself never labels it as a LS for any of them, and DSK is considered to be stronger then all of the sea folk combined. I've asked around to see about it, but for now the LS can be considered that vallue I suppose, it is an advantage but not too big I guess

 

[Arkansalter2]

Experience is the most overblown metric in all of versus debating. It matters far less than skill and in a fight against someone who's slightly stronger than him, has Pseudo-Precog and can potentially blow his own projectiles back at him then Megatron is gonna be struggling really damn bad in this fight.

I'm highly sure that whatever CK has is nothing that Megatron hasnt seen before.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I'm highly sure that whatever CK has is nothing that Megatron hasnt seen before.

I'm highly sure Megatron would be flabbergasted by CK just blowing his projectiles back at him by breathing hard.

 

[Arkansalter2]

I'm highly sure Megatron would be flabbergasted by CK just blowing his projectiles back at him by breathing hard.

I'm highly sure that attack deflection isn't something that Megatron hasn't dealt with that before, even if it's as unorthodox as that.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I'm highly sure that attack deflection isn't something that Megatron hasn't dealt with that before, even if it's as unorthodox as that.

Can you prove that?

 

[Drite77]

I'm highly sure that attack deflection isn't something that Megatron hasn't dealt with that before, even if it's as unorthodox as that.

Considering one of the main players in the war had it, ye (This is Jetfire)

 

[Drite77]

Can you prove that?

Not the best timing, but my comment above

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Okay so he at least has some experience with that then, though I'm sure it would still catch him off-guard the first time it happens just due to how unorthodox it is and again, that Pseudo-Precog is still something that Megatron is gonna have a massive pain in the ass getting through.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Pseudo-Precog is still something that Megatron is gonna have a massive pain in the ass getting through

Said precog is poor at best. It says "he was able to sense that Saitama would've killed him had he attacked".
How will this play out in the match?..

 

[Drite77]

Okay so he at least has some experience with that then, though I'm sure it would still catch him off-guard the first time it happens just due to how unorthodox it is and again, that Pseudo-Precog is still something that Megatron is gonna have a massive pain in the ass getting through.

Like, has it even shown working normally? From what the profile says, the limitation is something pretty big, which was only shown to work on insta kill things and not anything else. The only thing Megatron has of that effect is his Anti-matter, but he rarely uses it

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Said precog is poor at best. It says "he was able to sense that Saitama would've killed him had he attacked".
How will this play out in the match?..

It means he'll be able to tell if Megatron is about to do anything that will kill him, allowing him to avoid it before it happens. If he can avoid instantly getting one-shot by Saitama of all people with this I'm sure he can do it to someone who is equal to him in speed.

 

[Drite77]

It means he'll be able to tell if Megatron is about to do anything that will kill him

Ok, like what, for example? Megatron can't one shot him, a punch on CK's head is not going to kill him, same for a kick, a arm lock, etc. Like, what can Megatron do to proc said Precog outside of the rarely/never-used Antimatter?

 

[Kachon123]

CQC

How would that work against someone physically stronger than he is?

 

[Drite77]

How would that work against someone physically stronger than he is?

Megatron has more range and the gap isn't exactly too big on either side

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Ok, like what, for example? Megatron can't one shot him, a punch on CK's head is not going to kill him, same for a kick, a arm lock, etc. Like, what can Megatron do to proc said Precog outside of the rarely/never-used Antimatter?

Why do I need to provide an example when the ability is super straight forward. If the attack is going to kill him then he will know and avoid it before it happens. He did it against a guy who could one-shot and blitz him billions of times over, I'm sure he can avoid Megatron landing any killing blows during this fight. Also I forgot to ask before but how hot are Megatron's projectiles? CK can no-sell the heat of Genos' blasts which are extremely hot.

 

[Kachon123]

Megatron has more range and the gap isn't exactly too big on either side

Range is countered by Kabuto's attack reflection, flight, and enhanced senses. The gap is big enough for Kabuto to make use of his stamina and carapace defense.

 

[Drite77]

Why do I need to provide an example when the ability is super straight forward

Because there is nothing Megatron can do that will just kill CK, I think this point is confusing because it assumes Megatron can kill CK in a single attack, that is just not going to happen '-'

Also I forgot to ask before but how hot are Megatron's projectiles

Pretty hot, he can vaporize a fellow Cybertronian

Range is countered by Kabuto's attack reflection

Can he reflect physical attacks?