Mega Alakazam physical tier

[DaReaperMan]

Something that we noticed was Mega Alakazam is fully High 7-A. While this should be very true for its abilities it doesn't mean it's physically High 7-A.

I propose that Mega Alakazam have a 10-C physically for the reasons already on the profile.

 

[Lou_change]

All the line should.

 

[Arceus0x]

i feel like 10-C is a stretch, i propose either unknown or 10-B at worst

 

[StrymULTRA]

Disagree completely with 10-C as losing all the strength in Pokémon is really relative. Should still be Tier 7 "physically" in a sense as it uses the psychic powers to do everything, even physical stuff

 

[DaReaperMan]

The thing is it literally barely has muscles to begin with. Mega Evolution took what little muscle there was and threw it into psychic power, which means Alakazam here literally would lose to a newborn physically, since a newborn does have muscles and physical strength of some description.

 

[Arceus0x]

Disagree completely with 10-C as losing all the strength in Pokémon is really relative. Should still be Tier 7 "physically" in a sense as it uses the psychic powers to do everything, even physical stuff

pretty much. it's not like he crumbles into dust at a touch of a hand

 

[Lou_change]

pretty much. it's not like he crumbles into dust at a touch of a hand

Psychic barriers around it.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I have a very vague recall of Alakazams physical tier being questioned before and was disagreed on being lower.

Either way, disagreeing FRA

 

[DaReaperMan]

pretty much. it's not like he crumbles into dust at a touch of a hand

Well no duh, he likely has bones and such after all, plus the passive psychic barrier/power present from Abra.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The thing is it literally barely has muscles to begin with. Mega Evolution took what little muscle there was and threw it into psychic power, which means Alakazam here literally would lose to a newborn physically, since a newborn does have muscles and physical strength of some description.

Again, the psychic powers took the place of the muscles and thus they're the ones leading its body.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Again, the psychic powers took the place of the muscles and thus they're the ones leading its body.

Aka what's essentially a passive amp.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Aka what's essentially a passive amp.

Which basically took the place of its physical strength and thus working as such. Making this 10-C stuff really redundant

 

[Arceus0x]

10-C is never used by it so it's existence is pointless

 

[Lou_change]

Pokedex entries

Alakazam's brain continually grows, making its head far too heavy to support with its neck. This Pokémon holds its head up using its psychokinetic power instead.

While it has strong psychic abilities and high intelligence, an Alakazam's muscles are very weak. It uses psychic power to move its body.

This is normal alakazam which weights 48 kg it using Psychic powers to amplify its physical abilities no
Another pokedex entry

It does not like physical attacks very much. Instead, it freely uses extra-sensory powers to defeat foes.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Redundant or not it should be there for the admittedly kinda crappy indexing purposes.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Thank you for bringing nothing, as I've already explained the purpose of them

 

[Lou_change]

It literally can't move their body without Psychic powers which weights 48 kg

 

[Everything12]

Tiers are not physical strength alone it's how much power (energy) a being can generate and utilise, psychic power is included in this. We'd only divide this from their regular Tier if given a reason to assume that a feat is used with a power source separate from what they regularly utilise.

 

[Lou_change]

Yeah but characters can have tiers for physicals.

 

[StrymULTRA]

We'd give 10-C if Mega Alakazam does stuff while being 10-C, but everything it does is while supported from its Tier 7 powers.

 

[Lou_change]

So unknown physically

 

[Cropfist]

If it never uses physical feats, it should not have a physical tier

 

[StrymULTRA]

So unknown physically

My argument did get dodged hm

 

[Lou_change]

It is very clear that it's physically should not scale to it's Psychic powers for several reasons. It is consistently referred to as very physically weak and a incredibly powerful Psychic, it can't lift it's head without Psychic assistance which it also uses to help move around, it's physical strength would be weaker than alakazam as mega alakazam.

 

[StrymULTRA]

And this is why it's fully Tier 7, as it doesn't do stuff without the Tier 7 powers

 

[Lou_change]

I guess but we have to change the current striking strength

 

[StrymULTRA]

I think we should change it to Unknown and call it a day as it's pretty vague in itself how much physical strength it really lost.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Still talking about only striking ofc.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I know lol

 

[Lou_change]

We could do what happened with it's durability.

 

[StrymULTRA]

That yeah

 

[Lou_change]

Can we at least add below average lifting strength physically?

 

[Imaginym]

For what it's worth, looking into the anime, there have actually been a couple of Alakazam that used Physical Attacks.

In the episode Power Play!, Alex Davis's Alakazam used Headbutt & Dynamicpunch while battling Gary's Umbreon.
& in Talking a Good Game!, Anabel's Alakazam used Focus Punch several times.

So there is some precedent that Alakazam can use physical moves effectively, though, none of these were Mega Alakazam.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

I propose that Mega Alakazam have a 10-C physically for the reasons already on the profile.

Wtf

 

[Lou_change]

If you could please read the striking strength on the profile the point here is something has to change.

 

[Lou_change]

For what it's worth, looking into the anime, there have actually been a couple of Alakazam that used Physical Attacks.

In the episode Power Play!, Alex Davis's Alakazam used Headbutt & Dynamicpunch while battling Gary's Umbreon.
& in Talking a Good Game!, Anabel's Alakazam used Focus Punch several times.

So there is some precedent that Alakazam can use physical moves effectively, though, none of these were Mega Alakazam.

We believe it might be using Psychic powers to amplify it's physical power this really only matters if it deals with really good power null also lifting strength needs to be decided.