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[MCU] The Watcher Low 1-C Upgrade + 5-D HDE

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The following statements and feats (maybe some of them don't mean anything but I'll add them just in case) should upgrade The Watcher to a direct Low 1-C and grant him HDE (5-D), and I don't know if something else like Acausality:
(Claims to be a 5th dimensional being who exists outside the planes of space and time of the Multiverse, whose boundaries are irrelevant to a being like him and is stated by WoG to be above everything and everyone else)
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Agree: 14 (@Elizhaa, @LordGriffin1000, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Planck69, @Lonkitt, @Marvel_Champion_07, @Eseseso, @Excel616, @Cropfist, @ThanatosX, @BestMGQScalerEver, @ProfectusInfinity, @Georredannea15, @RoTt35)

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RoTt35 said:
The following statements and feats (maybe some of them don't mean anything but I'll add them just in case) should grant to The Watcher HDE (5-D), and I don't know if something else like Acausality:
This would also grant NPI to Infinity Ultron since he can interact with and harm The Watcher, and I guess it would also grant 5-D hax to the Infinity Stones since that's what powers Ultron
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Agree. Don't suppose this would mean 6-D Low 1-C for him and Vultron for being beyond the 5-D MCU, plus 1-C for K.E.V.I.N.?
 
RoTt35 said:
The following statements and feats (maybe some of them don't mean anything but I'll add them just in case) should grant to The Watcher HDE (5-D), and I don't know if something else like Acausality:
This would also grant NPI to Infinity Ultron since he can interact with and harm The Watcher, and I guess it would also grant 5-D hax to the Infinity Stones since that's what powers Ultron
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Would Uatu, Vultron, and Strange Supreme become flat-out Low 1-C?
 
Eseseso said:
Would Uatu, Vultron, and Strange Supreme become flat-out Low 1-C?
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Idk, but that isn't the purpose of this CRT anyways.

Btw, if Ultron interacting with a 5th dimensional being isn't NPI, what would it be? Range, 5-D hax, or just nothing?
 
RoTt35 said:
Idk, but that isn't the purpose of this CRT anyways.

Btw, if Ultron interacting with a 5th dimensional being isn't NPI, what would it be? Range, 5-D hax, or just nothing?
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In this case, nothing. The only context is that Uatu is a 5-dimensional guy who exists outside of the multiverse
 
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Yes, at this point they should be solid Low 1-C. To give an example, Archie Sonic is Low 1-C because of two statements regarding the Echidnas: one of them being in a place outside time and space and another that they exist in a higher plane of existence. This is enough to make them Low 1-C.
In this case, it's even more clear cut since the Watcher straight up says that he is a 5 dimensional being, which leave little to no room for interpretation. Damn, even DMC was 1-C because of a random statement of souls being 9 dimensional despite that lacking any context, before the statement was retconned out of existence.
On top of this, if the Watcher gets 5-D HDE, Ultron would basically automatically be Low 1-C, since to interact with someone with HDE you need AP or haxes of the same dimensionality of that character, and since Ultron physically hit the Watcher his AP would scale.
However, if we want to discuss it in a separate thread than that's fine. For now I agree with 5-D HDE to the Watcher.
 
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Low 1-C comes from Alioth ending the war between countless tree timelines so while I agree with the premise I'm not sure The Watcher being stated 5-D is enough to make it a solid rating
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
I have a problem with this. It's just not literal it's just metaphorical. Everything is like a story to the watcher because well all he does it watch it's not meant to be taken as "he sees us as a literal fictional book". It's not a literal metafictional transcendence.
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Yeah, I agree that the statement by itself means nothing, but we must also consider the others which state that The Watcher is a 5th dimensional being who exists outside the planes of space and time of the Multiverse and is above everything and everyone
 
RoTt35 said:
Yeah, I agree that the statement by itself means nothing, but we must also consider the others which state that The Watcher is a 5th dimensional being who exists outside the planes of space and time of the Multiverse and is above everything and everyone
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I wouldn't say the two statements are connected. Low 1-C seems fine but to use that statement as supporting evidence doesn't really seem that "honest".
 
Just to make things clear, Alioth would not scale to this. He have his own feat, so he would still remain 2-A, possibly Low 1-C. The only people that would scale are the Watcher, for obvious reasons, Infinity Ultron, for defeating the Watcher, and Doctor Strange Supreme, for fighting almost evenly with Infinity Ultron.
 
Elizhaa said:
Low 1-C and HDE seem fine; the r>f seems metaphorical, not literal, like stated above.
@LordGriffin1000 and @Emirp sumitpo might be able to provide their inputs since they are verse supporters and if they can.
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I'm a verse supported but I've made it clear that I don't wish to be apart of any tier 1/HDE threads of any kind because of how our standards are. However, since this doesn't seem to have gone off the rails and I'm not doing anything important at the moment I'll say that I do think Low 1-C/Higher Dimensional Existence looks fine, especially if the statement about him being above everyone and everything applies to K.E.V.I.N.
 
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especially if the statement about him being above everyone and everything applies to K.E.V.I.N.
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It doesn't, She-Hulk was released a year after What If...? so the statement shouldn't apply to K.E.V.I.N, in addition to him being the creator of the entire MCU, therefore of The Watcher, and seeing it as fiction
 
Yeah i definitely agree. The fact that he states that he is a 5th dimensional being and is beyond space-time is something that clearly supports his being Low 1-C, but I do not know if this statement is directly given 5-D HDE. This could mean that he is a 3D being located in the 5th dimension or something like that.

Therefore, it needs to be 5-dimensional in terms of spatial or axis, but these statements may also be sufficient.
 
RoTt35 said:
It doesn't, She-Hulk was released a year after What If...? so the statement shouldn't apply to K.E.V.I.N, in addition to him being the creator of the entire MCU, therefore of The Watcher, and seeing it as fiction
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Then the updates probably not going to fly with some people. Given how strick our standards are.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Then the updates probably not going to fly with some people. Given how strick our standards are.
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I think you're overthinking it tbh. The cosmology already being 5-D takes off a lot of burden and paired with a lot of supporting evidence to it and also him being above and outside the totality of the multiverse (which is 5-D by sheer quantity) to an unknown degree would support 5-D HDE also getting QS.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
I think you're overthinking it tbh. The cosmology already being 5-D takes off a lot of burden and paired with a lot of supporting evidence to it and also him being above and outside the totality of the multiverse (which is 5-D by sheer quantity) to an unknown degree would support 5-D HDE also getting QS.
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I may be overthinking it but there have been several Low 1-C's that get brought into question for various reasons so I'm just putting out my thoughts. It's not to say I disagree but it's something I've come to expect at this point.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
I'm a verse supported but I've made it clear that I don't wish to be apart of any tier 1/HDE threads of any kind because of how our standards are. However, since this doesn't seem to have gone off the rails and I'm not doing anything important at the moment I'll say that I do think Low 1-C/Higher Dimensional Existence looks fine, especially if the statement about him being above everyone and everything applies to K.E.V.I.N.
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My bad, I thought as a staff verse supporter you might have wanted to be involved because I saw similar cases before; it won't happen again for Tier 1 threads.
 
Bruh... while I'm glad the MCU cosmology is solidly becoming tier 1 the fact that two of the biggest sources of evidence come from She-Hulk and Little Groot is pretty hilarious.

Will this upgrade possibly affect Alioth too?

Also correct me if I'm wrong but looking at the cosmology blog and this CRT but wouldn't this make Watcher tier characters infinite 5D? since they're above an ad infinitum 5-D structure?
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Bruh... while I'm glad the MCU cosmology is solidly becoming tier 1 the fact that two of the biggest sources of evidence come from She-Hulk and Little Groot is pretty hilarious.

Will this upgrade possibly affect Alioth too?

Also correct me if I'm wrong but looking at the cosmology blog and this CRT but wouldn't this make Watcher tier characters infinite 5D? since they're above an ad infinitum 5-D structure?
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Still pissed off by the fact that K.E.V.I.N. is the God Tier of the verse, he doesn't deserve it.
But jokes aside they would definitely scale higher than they currently do, but I am not sure if infinitely higher or just a vague "higher".
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Bruh... while I'm glad the MCU cosmology is solidly becoming tier 1 the fact that two of the biggest sources of evidence come from She-Hulk and Little Groot is pretty hilarious.

Will this upgrade possibly affect Alioth too?

Also correct me if I'm wrong but looking at the cosmology blog and this CRT but wouldn't this make Watcher tier characters infinite 5D? since they're above an ad infinitum 5-D structure?
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The cosmology is solidly tier 1

It's the currently accepted feat that isn't and also doesn't even scale to the entire cosmology just countless universes
 
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