MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[darkphantom9805]

I'm really surprised we've never found a statement from the creative team that either confirms or denies why characters in the Sacred Timeline do or do not scale to the variants seen in the show. Iirc the reason why the scaling isn't accepted on here is because of timeline inconsistencies.

Because it doesn’t make sense they wouldn’t scale the entire premise is 1 change splits them from the normal path until that change happens they are exactly the same as the normal timeline

Meaning unless that change explicitly has an effect on the variants power level they scale to each other like we don’t scale endgame Thanos and IW Thanos any differently despite being a variant they are the same Thanos just put in a different situation

Also we have several statements that they scale

Also the scaling is accepted on this site ? it’s brought up all the time and on some of their profiles the only time it isn’t is if it just outright contradicts the normal timeline scaling

 

[Lacku]

Also the scaling is accepted on this site ? it’s brought up all the time and on some of their profiles the only time it isn’t is if it just outright contradicts the normal timeline scaling

With some profiles but not everyone. There's a lot of characters with feats from What If not featured on their page.

 

[darkphantom9805]

With some profiles but not everyone. There's a lot of characters with feats from What If not featured on their page.

Because some episodes are wonky and just clearly shouldn’t apply as it would mess with a lot of scaling

But for the most part characters do scale

 

[Raincutter]

I'm really surprised we've never found a statement from the creative team that either confirms or denies why characters in the Sacred Timeline do or do not scale to the variants seen in the show. Iirc the reason why the scaling isn't accepted on here is because of timeline inconsistencies.

There is a statement, unfortunately it also violates wiki rules so is non admissible

 

[darkphantom9805]

There is a statement, unfortunately it also violates wiki rules so is non admissible

That doesn’t violate the rules at all the rules allow twitter or social media statements as long as the person doesn’t try to steer the person or pester them into getting the answer they want for their verse this is just a simple question to understand the writers thought process behind each episode

The writers themselves state they try to make them every episode so even if this question was never asked it wouldn’t change the fact the writers were still trying to make them like their LA counterparts

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Does anyone know if this statment has been used in calculation for thor shattering Jotunheim or if it is unusable?

Or if this calculation is somewhat correct.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Does anyone know if this statment has been used in calculation for thor shattering Jotunheim or if it is unusable?

Or if this calculation is somewhat correct.

The real question we should be asking is if the use the jotunheim as strong as asgardians steel for their calc as that makes it 100 times better

 

[Dinobot1996]

Just finished watching the first two episodes of Daredevil: Born Again.

• Only a few action scenes so far, though they are memorable, and getting another one-take scene was neat.
• Bullseye was able to impale a fly by throwing a paper clip at it.
• Daredevil was capable of fighting even after getting multiple knives pierced into him.
• No new combat feats for Fisk so far, though he is noted by Matt to have lost some weight and gained muscle since their previous encounter.
• Not much from White Tiger in terms of feats so far, and even less with his amulet.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Just finished watching the first two episodes of Daredevil: Born Again.

• Only a few action scenes so far, though they are memorable, and getting another one-take scene was neat.
• Bullseye was able to impale a fly by throwing a paper clip at it.
• Daredevil was capable of fighting even after getting multiple knives pierced into him.
• No new combat feats for Fisk so far, though he is noted by Matt to have lost some weight and gained muscle since their previous encounter.
• Not much from White Tiger in terms of feats so far, and even less with his amulet.

I'm still wondering how did Dex survived being beaten and then thrown down from a building with 4 floors and falling on his head
And Foggy dying less than 15 minutes of the first episode.
The cops found White Tiger's identity very easily but somehow Daredevil is still a mistery to them

 

[Dinobot1996]

I'm still wondering how did Dex survived being beaten and then thrown down from a building with 4 floors and falling on his head
And Foggy dying less than 15 minutes of the first episode.
The cops found White Tiger's identity very easily but somehow Daredevil is still a mistery to them

I assume that Dex having at least his spine reinforced with Cogmium was responsible for his survival to some degree.

Foggy will be missed...

Presumably it'd be trickier to piece together that a blind man is a vigilante.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I assume that Dex having at least his spine reinforced with Cogmium was responsible for his survival to some degree.

Foggy will be missed...

Presumably it'd be trickier to piece together that a blind man is a vigilante.

Hardly he fell on his head.

I found Froggy's death rushed but overall it's fine I suppose there will be more info onto it latter.

They piece together that he had powers from his mystical amulet, I think that's far more far fetched than a blind person being a vigilant

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

They piece together that he had powers from his mystical amulet, I think that's far more far fetched than a blind person being a vigilant

It's also the MCU, stuff like amulets giving people powers is a normal part of their world by this point, I don't think a deduction like that is all that far fetched

 

[darkphantom9805]

How long until we can expect a trailer for doomsday?

 

[Dinobot1996]

How long until we can except a trailer for doomsday?

Going by when Marvel Studios has typically first released trailers for movies releasing in May, my best guess would be around this December, though if they start as early as they did with Thunderbolts, it could potentially be as early as September.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Going by when Marvel Studios has typically first released trailers for movies releasing in May, my best guess would be around this December, though if they start as early as they did with Thunderbolts, it could potentially be as early as September.

Bro mcu is about to hit such a dry spout then after thunderbolt releases is there anything left ?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Bro mcu is about to hit such a dry spout then after thunderbolt releases is there anything left ?

Other than Fantastic Four coming to theaters in July, mostly Disney+ shows. Ironheart in June, Eyes of Wakanda in August, Marvel Zombies in October, Wonder Man in December, and potentially season 2 of Daredevil Born Again in 2026 before Doomsday releases.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Other than Fantastic Four coming to theaters in July, mostly Disney+ shows. Ironheart in June, Eyes of Wakanda in August, Marvel Zombies in October, Wonder Man in December, and potentially season 2 of Daredevil Born Again in 2026 before Doomsday releases.

literally nothing there sound interesting besides marvel zombies and fantastic four

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

I just finished Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man on Disney+. Excellent show. One of the best that the MCU has ever put out. Great references to other street-level heroes, great fights, and it captured the essence of Spider-Man. Definite recommend!

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Bro mcu is about to hit such a dry spout then after thunderbolt releases is there anything left ?

Tbh I'd rather have a long pause so we can have a few really good stuff over the years than onslaught of barely passable to s****y entries

 

[darkphantom9805]

SpiderMan is void/sentry tier or no

spidey does it he was cracking jokes and effortlessly caught the arm when sentry did it his veins were bulging and heavily straining/shaking

 

[Lacku]

Spoiler: BORN AGAIN S2 POTENTIAL SPOILER

 

[Lacku]

Will say so far Born Again is a lot of fun despite being a watered down version of what came before. Feel like this season gets the benefit of the doubt automatically with the whole rework they had to do halfway through production.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

SpiderMan is void/sentry tier or no

spidey does it he was cracking jokes and effortlessly caught the arm when sentry did it his veins were bulging and heavily straining/shaking

Please tell me you're not seriously saying that (or that the writers wouldn't make Sentry as weak (yes, I said it) as Spidey)

 

[darkphantom9805]

Please tell me you're not seriously saying that (or that the writers wouldn't make Sentry as weak (yes, I said it) as Spidey)

Feats are feats 1 is visibly struggling and shaking the other is cracking jokes or no

I also like how you go the writers like that matters every film maker/writer has a different opinion of where characters are the Russo brothers for example see SpiderMan as almost as strong as the hulk and calls him deceptively strong and they back up there claims by having Peter overpower cull in 2 separate films

And considering the Russo will be returning sentry would love to be spidey tier to scale to his feats he’ll be getting in the next 2 avengers films

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Feats are feats 1 is visibly struggling and shaking the other is cracking jokes or no

Tbh we don't have the full context of the scene, just a trailer. Sentry could be weakened or Reynolds could be trying his best to NOT use his powers because he doesn't want to cause wanton destruction or release the Void (if they go that way). Even outside of this, instances where a character struggle to do something a weaker character can do without much trouble yet canonically remains the strongest are common place.

And let's be honest, adaptation or not, they're not going to make frickin Sentry weaker than Spider-Man. This would be stupid af and would cause rightful outrage, as much as I love Spidey

 

[RoTt35]

A few things:

• ‌The Avengers Movie Storybook states that the Tesseract has the ability to destroy the planet, that's already four statements of it being 5-B, so I think that should be enough for the Tesseract to be straight up 5-B rather than just a likely
• ‌A guidebook states that She-Hulk's strength matches Hulk's, 6-B She-Hulk?
• ‌I updated the thread about the Nine Realms being 2-C, though I don't know if it's going to go anywhere seeing how the infinite universe CRT is completely dead‌

Spoiler

• The Art of Thor states that the Nine Realms are realms of reality.
• ‌The Art of Thor: The Dark World states that the Nine Realms are multi-dimensional.
• ‌The artbook also states that from the Observatory you can look out over the universes.
• ‌A Deluxe Book/Guidebook of Thor states that Jane and Thor were separated by an entire universe, who were on Earth and Asgard respectively.
• ‌The Movie Storybook of Avengers states that Asgard is a realm that exists alongside our universe.

And the "Avengers Infinity War: The Official Movie Special Book" also states that, during the Convergence, "the realms of reality become aligned and the boundaries between each dimension become exceedingly thin". This, along with the previous statements, tells us that the Nine Realms are universes/realities/dimensions on their own, and that they exist alongside ours separated by their own dimensional boundaries/borders at a universal distance.

• ‌Note: universe, dimension and reality are used interchangeably.

There are five ways to travel between realms:

• ‌Through the Tesseract/Space Stone, which facilitate interdimensional and space-time travel.
• ‌Through the Bifrost, an interdimensional bridge that allows travel through space-time.
• ‌During the Convergence, an interdimensional cosmic event where the realms of reality become aligned and the boundaries between each dimension become exceedingly thin, creating wormholes through space-time that allow the passage between realms.
• ‌Through Jump Points and the Universal Neural Teleportation Network, a system of wormholes through the space-time continuum.
• ‌Through dimensional rifts.

As we see, the passage between realms is physically impossible, being necessary the use of interdimensional portals to travel through space-time in order to travel between realms and their boundaries. Other realms also seem to have a different flow of time, as Hela was locked away in Hel after the birth of Thor, who is 1500 years old, but for her 5000 years have passed. Finally there's also the "Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Doctor Strange" and the Marvel Website stating that Earth (Midgard) has its own reality/dimension/plane of existence.

Counterarguments

• Thor stated that humans see Yggdrasil through the Hubble Telescope.
  • The "Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Captain America: The First Avenger" clarifies that they only have seen portions of Yggdrasil, which is consistent with this statement that no astronomer can see the realm of Asgard.
• According to a VFX article, the Nine Realms are galaxies.
  • It doesn't refer to Yggdrasil itself (which is shown completely different) but simply to a representation of it inside the palace of Asgard, it's like saying that Earth is flat because the UN logo is flat. Also, it doesn't state that they're galaxy sized, they're just represented with that shape, which doesn't dismisse them being universal sized.

 

[LMalone22]

• ‌I updated the thread about the Nine Realms being 2-C, though I don't know if it's going to go anywhere seeing how the infinite universe CRT is completely dead‌

where?

 

[Emerald]

SpiderMan is void/sentry tier or no

spidey does it he was cracking jokes and effortlessly caught the arm when sentry did it his veins were bulging and heavily straining/shaking

8-C Sentry lets go

 

[Dinobot1996]

A few things:

• ‌The Avengers Movie Storybook states that the Tesseract has the ability to destroy the planet, that's already four statements of it being 5-B, so I think that should be enough for the Tesseract to be straight up 5-B rather than just a likely
• ‌A guidebook states that She-Hulk's strength matches Hulk's, 6-B She-Hulk?
• ‌I updated the thread about the Nine Realms being 2-C, though I don't know if it's going to go anywhere seeing how the infinite universe CRT is completely dead‌

Spoiler

• The Art of Thor states that the Nine Realms are realms of reality.
• ‌The Art of Thor: The Dark World states that the Nine Realms are multi-dimensional.
• ‌The artbook also states that from the Observatory you can look out over the universes.
• ‌A Deluxe Book/Guidebook of Thor states that Jane and Thor were separated by an entire universe, who were on Earth and Asgard respectively.
• ‌The Movie Storybook of Avengers states that Asgard is a realm that exists alongside our universe.

And the "Avengers Infinity War: The Official Movie Special Book" also states that, during the Convergence, "the realms of reality become aligned and the boundaries between each dimension become exceedingly thin". This, along with the previous statements, tells us that the Nine Realms are universes/realities/dimensions on their own, and that they exist alongside ours separated by their own dimensional boundaries/borders at a universal distance.

• ‌Note: universe, dimension and reality are used interchangeably.

There are five ways to travel between realms:

• ‌Through the Tesseract/Space Stone, which facilitate interdimensional and space-time travel.
• ‌Through the Bifrost, an interdimensional bridge that allows travel through space-time.
• ‌During the Convergence, an interdimensional cosmic event where the realms of reality become aligned and the boundaries between each dimension become exceedingly thin, creating wormholes through space-time that allow the passage between realms.
• ‌Through Jump Points and the Universal Neural Teleportation Network, a system of wormholes through the space-time continuum.
• ‌Through dimensional rifts.

As we see, the passage between realms is physically impossible, being necessary the use of interdimensional portals to travel through space-time in order to travel between realms and their boundaries. Other realms also seem to have a different flow of time, as Hela was locked away in Hel after the birth of Thor, who is 1500 years old, but for her 5000 years have passed. Finally there's also the "Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Doctor Strange" and the Marvel Website stating that Earth (Midgard) has its own reality/dimension/plane of existence.

Counterarguments

• Thor stated that humans see Yggdrasil through the Hubble Telescope.
  • The "Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Captain America: The First Avenger" clarifies that they only have seen portions of Yggdrasil, which is consistent with this statement that no astronomer can see the realm of Asgard.
• According to a VFX article, the Nine Realms are galaxies.
  • It doesn't refer to Yggdrasil itself (which is shown completely different) but simply to a representation of it inside the palace of Asgard, it's like saying that Earth is flat because the UN logo is flat. Also, it doesn't state that they're galaxy sized, they're just represented with that shape, which doesn't dismisse them being universal sized.

5-B for the Tesseract does seem pretty consistent, and it's High 6-A feat of being able to power the Bifrost doesn't seem like a cap.

I don't think She-Hulk really has major anti-feats, considering her 9-A feats were done casually, and she was shown to be considerably stronger than the vast majority of opponents she went up against in the show. She casually overpowered low-level superhumans like Man-Bull, and completely shrugged off hits from the Wrecking Crew's Asgardian construction gear, which according to the artbook was intended to give Asgardians "a little bit more strength", and have "extraordinary power".

 

[darkphantom9805]

Tbh we don't have the full context of the scene, just a trailer. Sentry could be weakened or Reynolds could be trying his best to NOT use his powers because he doesn't want to cause wanton destruction or release the Void (if they go that way). Even outside of this, instances where a character struggle to do something a weaker character can do without much trouble yet canonically remains the strongest are common place.

eh he’s definitely trying to use them at least that’s how it’s depicted in the trailer as during that scene his exact line is

“You thought you were going to be some great saviors? You can't even save your selves.” .

dude is literally talking about how he’s going to kill them in that scene heck he TK force pushes red guardian out a window clearly intended to kill him as they are on the avengers towers or some very tall building and let him fall to his death

And let's be honest, adaptation or not, they're not going to make frickin Sentry weaker than Spider-Man. This would be stupid af and would cause rightful outrage, as much as I love Spidey

Depends who’s in charge and what their depiction of the character is and it wouldn’t be stupid it would just mean spidey is that strong sentry would love to be scaling to spidey after we get them russo feats or no

 

[Isaacbobanka]

I was watching this youtube video of the infinity stones and noticed that thor said that the mind stone is "Unparalleled in its destructive capabilites" can this also be used?

 

[darkphantom9805]

I was watching this youtube video of the infinity stones and noticed that thor said that the mind stone is "Unparalleled in its destructive capabilites" can this also be used?

For what ? It’s common knowledge that the infinity stones are the most powerfull things in the universe at that time

 

[ArkhamDC06]

eh he’s definitely trying to use them at least that’s how it’s depicted in the trailer as during that scene his exact line is

“You thought you were going to be some great saviors? You can't even save your selves.” .

dude is literally talking about how he’s going to kill them in that scene heck he TK force pushes red guardian out a window clearly intended to kill him as they are on the avengers towers or some very tall building and let him fall to his death


Depends who’s in charge and what their depiction of the character is and it wouldn’t be stupid it would just mean spidey is that strong sentry would love to be scaling to spidey after we get them russo feats or no

Still going to wait before making that conclusion

 

[ArkhamDC06]

New Avengers: Doomsday Rumor Explains Why Robert Downey Jr.’s Doctor Doom Will Become The Multiverse Saga’s New Big Bad

Doom is coming.

www.cinemablend.com

 

[RoTt35]

‌The Avengers Movie Storybook states that the Tesseract has the ability to destroy the planet, that's already four statements of it being 5-B, so I think that should be enough for the Tesseract to be straight up 5-B rather than just a likely

I remembered that What If...? also states that the Tesseract (Cube) can destroy the planet, so that would be five 5-B statements

 

[Dinobot1996]

According to The Avengers Movie storybook, the Red Skull's bomber would've been able to level half a continent with its Tesseract-enhanced explosives:

According to Marvel Studios - The First 10 Years, the bomber's explosives would've been able to lay waste to most of the eastern United States:

Also from Marvel Studios - The First 10 Years, it is directly stated twice that Malekith's plan to use the Aether during the Convergence would've outright destroyed the Nine Realms:

 

[darkphantom9805]

Also from Marvel Studios - The First 10 Years, it is directly stated twice that Malekith's plan to use the Aether during the Convergence would've outright destroyed the Nine Realms:

Universal thor upgrade for fighting against the full power of an infinity stone when

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Universal thor upgrade for fighting against the full power of an infinity stone when

Wasn't it stated Stormbreaker was specifically made to counter the full IG so it's less AP and more hax? Not that I would complain if it could be translated into a proper feat

 

[darkphantom9805]

Wasn't it stated Stormbreaker was specifically made to counter the full IG so it's less AP and more hax? Not that I would complain if it could be translated into a proper feat

That wasn’t even what I was talking about Thor fought malekith who was confirmed by Kevin feige who has the most authority of marvel to be capable of using all of the reality stones power which is said to give the host unlimited strength Thor literally fought malekith and said with his own words

Also Stormbreaker has no hax nullification its impossible it was made to hax the gauntlet as Stormbreaker mold was created before the gauntlet was it was just never crafted until thor came along + counter is taken out of context it means counter it through raw power which they literally say with another about how powerful the axe is which wouldn’t apply if they was talking about hax nullification none of their statements make any since if it was hax based

 

[Isaacbobanka]

There is also this from mcu book which says aether Malekith can destroy the nine realms.

​