MCU Namor upgrade

[darkphantom9805]

So why does namor only scale to vibranium with his weapon? when in the movie he damages Jabari wood with a single strike from his fist the movie portrays this as a big deal an entire slow motion scene and everything

Jabari wood is stated multiple times to be as Powerful as vibranium and can go toe to toe with it and have the exact same properties As vibranium the literal origin of Jabari wood is vibranium landed on earth and it infused itself with the plants creating it this powerful wood it was even mentioned in the artbook

Other version of the script originally had shuri BP suit made from Jabari wood

According to the Black panther script it says that once Namor becomes dehydrated he lost and is no longer invulnerable and can be damaged the wording used tells us that means that when namor was hydrated he couldn’t be damaged even by vibranium as he couldn’t of previously been invulnerable if vibranium could damage him

According to the painting of namor’s journey to king and his history Namor fought and wrestled Quetzalcoatl who was actually on Thors dream team of gods to fight gorr

Thor: We could pull together the greatest team ever. We could recruit Ra, Hercules, Tūmatauenga. Quetzalcoatl, maybe. And Zeus, the oldest and wisest of them all.

Also another thing why is namor scaling to hulk only possibly he by on screen feats is stronger then even thanos who is above hulk

Thanos sword is stronger then namor’s spear which is confirmed as his sword is made out of a unknown metal (presumably uru) that is directly stated to be stronger then vibranium which is what namor’s spear is made from meaning razor > spear

yet despite that stronger weapon thanos could only chip away at vibranium why namor was doing it with ease the entire movie meaning he struggled to perform namor’s feats despite having a stronger weapon? But is supposedly far stronger then namor ?

I think Jabari wood should scale to vibranium and namor should scale above thanos along with vibranium in general namor cuts vibranium several times in the movie with less effort then thanos took with a stronger weapon and punches wood stated dozens of times to be equal to the metal

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I agree with this, though this would only apply to his hydrated key

 

[Dinobot1996]

I'll bring over the compilation of statements I posted in the general thread comparing burnt/treated Jabari wood to vibranium:

• From Black Panther production designer Hannah Beachler: “In M’Baku’s throne room, the wood walls you see as you enter the room are done using the Japanese technique, Shou Sugi Ban. It’s a process that involves charring a wood surface to render it a deep charcoal black, making it weatherproof,” Beachler explains. “In our story, the Jabari tribe do not use the metal resource vibranium. In their region, the earth is saturated with vibranium dust, making the trees as strong and powerful as the metal when the wood is burned. This more organic technology is shown in the burnt wood of this particular set.”
• Also from Beachler: [00:40:17] That’s why we have Jabari Mountain okay. It's treated very differently. When it comes to vibranium, the vibranium dusted over that area, so went into the soil and affected the flora and fauna. So the Jabari, you’ll see, have a lot of wood. [00:40:38] So their wood, as it grew out of the ground that had been saturated with vibranium, when you bring it to a certain burn point, it becomes like steel. So you’ll see notice, you know, they have what looks like burnt wood a lot of the time around in their buildings.
• Yet another statement from Beachler: "We used a Japanese technique, Shou Sugi Ban, to burn the wood in the entrance of the throne room. Once burnt, the wood that grows at the base of the mountain and is used only by the Jabari has the same properties as vibranium. This was a completely different design language from the rest of Wakanda because of the Jabari tradition of woodworking, carpentry and engineering as well as the fact that they were isolated from the rest of the country."
• From Winston Duke: "Yeah, this is something we didn’t get to interrogate deeply in the film, but everything for them is based around this Jabari wood that comes from this sacred tree. Everything in Jabari land is made out of this sacred wood that can essentially go toe-to-toe with a Vibranium sword or a Vibranium weapon because it’s this tempered, strong, treated wood."

 

[Da3ggman]

Finally, Namor getting the respect he deserves.

Agreed

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Also of note, we should probably add the durability of the Jabari wood armor to M'Baku's profile, as he doesn't have it listed

 

[Kavopaco]

seems simple enough, agreed.

 

[Tonygameman]

Looks quite straight-forward, I agree.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

This makes sense, I agree.

 

[Lacku]

Should’ve been the case forever ago when Wakanda Forever came out so agree

 

[darkphantom9805]

Nice we got 1 mod now we need another one

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[darkphantom9805]

How many mods do you need 2 or 3

 

[Kavopaco]

How many mods do you need 2 or 3

I believe 2 should be enough for this type of thread (if im wrong feel free to correct me).

 

[darkphantom9805]

I believe 2 should be enough for this type of thread (if im wrong feel free to correct me).

Bro it’s so hard to get 1 more mod

 

[Kavopaco]

bump

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Agree. I still hate him in Rivals tho

 

[Kavopaco]

bump

 

[1000TonsofFun]

I agree

 

[HonestlyBored24]

Bro can get get 1 mod please literally everyone here agreed with it

Try messaging a mod on their DMs

 

[darkphantom9805]

Try messaging a mod on their DMs

I thought you weren’t allowed to contact mods

 

[Da3ggman]

I thought you weren’t allowed to contact mods

Nah, you can contact any mod you want; just message them on their message wall with the CRT asking them for their input. Probably best to steer clear of the Bureaucrats, though, as they can get more annoyed than anything with requests for more minor ones like this, due to being busy….well, running the site.

 

[Golden_Void]

At almost his most powerful (fresh out of water) he could shatter the wood but M'Baku survived the force of the connecting blow, who is nowhere near his level. At this same level, he couldn't break through glass, which I assume is also a vibranium composite, whereas water pressure could obliterate untouched glass.

At his weakest (dehydrated) he could still pierce multiple layers of vibranium with his spear and tank a point-blank explosion capable of violently fragmenting/vaporizing some pieces of vibranium. This creates a stupid scaling chain.

Since some pieces of vibranium were vaporized and at the very least violently fragmented, that puts Namor's durability above the feat where Thanos slices through Cap's shield and fragments it after multiple strikes. The same Thanos that, in the main timeline, one-shot T'Challa through his suit (automatically dispersing his stored KE, but not damaging it) without using his stones. Parallel Thanos with the Cap feat no-diffed a combined energy attack from Post-Awakened Thor with both weapons, and Mark 85 Iron Man. The difference between vaporization and fragmentation would make any of these characters incapable of harming Namor at his weakest.

This directly conflicts with him unable to harm the Panther Habit without vibranium weapons, or him only being shown damaging vibranium metal with vibranium metal.
This conflicts with Shuri harming/staggering Namor with pure physicals after said explosion despite having feats far beyond vibranium's durability at his weakest showing.

Inb4 someone says upscale Thanos to a feat objectively thousands of times better than his own.

 

[Golden_Void]

M Baku surviving is irrelevant as he only lived due to the armor in the first place lol anyway here’s how it works you can’t nit pick scenes like the glass to lowball his feats it’s like me saying all of Thor feats are irrelevant because gorr who is Thor to failed to destroy a regular car or how about Thor doing 0 damage to the concrete on the ground despite swinging Stormbreaker at it the feat happens the feat was clearly a demonstration of his strength due to the way the feat was presented m Baku was literally stated to be dumbfounded that the wood broke and only calls him hulk tier after seeing him brake the wood

You bring up Thor and Gorr's car scene every time and every time it's a false equivalence Do I need to remind you what happened to Emil Blonsky, who's a super soldier, when Hulk casually kicked him?

Namor, fresh out of the water, broke through his armor and made direct contact with his body and he was only winded. Hulk tier. Saying his armor reduced his total power makes no sense if we're agreeing he tore through it like tissue paper.

Also, the movie implicitly notes differences between vibranium types. The ship's AI notes that Namor's spear is made out of raw vibranium. The concept of wood infused with vibranium being 100% equivalent to raw vibranium makes no sense. M'Baku's staff broke against Namor's raw vibranium arm guard, and some random Talokanil fodder destroyed M'Baku's staff with his spear. You also need sufficient force to break vibranium. Simply using vibranium against vibranium does not mean you can land a glancing blow on it and destroy it.

Yeah so use common sense you literally just debunked yourself by proving the glass scene is an outlier lol as he literally cut and pierced vibranium numerous times in the film

The glass scene isn't an outlier. When he stabs Shuri's ship when he invades Wakanda, he barely gets half the tip of the spear through. This is the same glass that withstood a barrage of energy beams which are capable of blowing up vibranium ships. All of which is unquantifiable, but is something to consider.

What does this even mean one shot t challa through his suit dawg he didn’t damage the suit in any shape even in endgame thanos with the same sword that cut caps shield also failed to scratch black panther suit after he literally threw it at him no he didn’t no diff the attack he put his sword up to block it his sword no diffed the attack not Thanos himself and the sword is quite literally stated to be stronger then vibranium also this is irrelevant to the op your the master of bringing up irrelevant things we go by feats this feat happens in the film the wood is stated dozens of times to be that strong your nit picking scenes and debunking yourself won’t change the feat happened bringing up thanos also won’t do anything as Thanos isn’t namor nor is he involved in the thread

Yeah, so I watched Endgame and Thanos's sword hits the gauntlet, not BP (he sees this coming at the last second btw.) This is obvious when you hear the metal "clink" when they collide and see the gauntlet fly away very fast, but even more obvious when you stop the clip.

If that wasn't the case, then following the path of the blade, BP's head would be cut open. And even if that was the case, you'd be comparing a feat where Thanos throws a sword that is bound by physics to lose energy over distance, to a feat where Thanos has leverage and is constantly applying force, which is another false equivalence.

shuri harming him after he was in a special prepped dehydration chamber literally designed to weaken and suck the water out of his body lol and you literally helping my point by saying he survived a vibranium busting explosion I legit don’t even think you understand what your say half the time with how much irrelevant things you bring up Shuri shouldn’t even be mentioned here as she doesn’t scale to namor nor does this upgrade change her in any way

Special pleading already? Shuri could harm weakened Namor with her physical strikes. The same dude that survived a vibranium busting explosion. It was to the point where he needed to grab a pure vibranium spear to not lose the fight. You're scheming if you say otherwise.

Thanos isn’t even involved in this thread your getting off topic completely this doesn’t involve or change him any any shape way or form so his named shouldn’t even be mentioned nor thanos own feats

He is involved, because you seem to think upgrades happen in a vacuum which they don't.

And further addressing saying that Shuri doesn't scale...vibranium busting isn't new. The Wakandan Rhinos could do it, and they charged multiple people with their same strength including T'Challa who took one down. She also survived some portion of the energy involved in her ship's explosion, which would possibly increase her durability.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

At almost his most powerful (fresh out of water) he could shatter the wood but M'Baku survived the force of the connecting blow, who is nowhere near his level

That's because M'Baku was wearing the armor, which has Moon level durability. If it wasn't for that armor, he would've died

At this same level, he couldn't break through glass, which I assume is also a vibranium composite, whereas water pressure could obliterate untouched glass

The glass was already cracked, which would've made it far weaker. Either that or his water grenades upscale his own strength

At his weakest (dehydrated) he could still pierce multiple layers of vibranium with his spear and tank a point-blank explosion capable of violently fragmenting/vaporizing some pieces of vibranium. This creates a stupid scaling chain.

The spear itself is 5-C. And that explosion has been calculated, it's Large Building level

The rest of the arguements assume that Dehydraded Namor is 5-C, which he isn't, he's only 8-C

Anyways this thread is still waiting for staff approval, so lets try to get that

 

[Golden_Void]

You're bringing up things that were already addressed.

That's because M'Baku was wearing the armor, which has Moon level durability. If it wasn't for that armor, he would've died

Namor upscales from Vibranium. Breaking M'Baku's armor is below his strength and he still made full contact with M'Baku's physical body.

The glass was already cracked, which would've made it far weaker. Either that or his water grenades upscale his own strength

He cracked the glass with a full charge. The glass was weakened but not destroyed. And those are the same water grenades that only flipped Okoye's car no more than a dozen feet. The glass that was untouched shattered under water pressure.

The spear itself is 5-C. And that explosion has been calculated, it's Large Building level

This calculation is wrong. BLOWING UP VIBRANIUM is objectively NOT Tier 8. You literally opened your argument to me with the concession that vibranium has Moon-level durability so idk what possessed you to type this. If this explosion is only 8-C then you're arguing that vibranium is weaker than the energy of the explosion. Anybody can incorrectly find the yield of an explosion from the size of the "boom" while simultaneously ignoring all surrounding context.

The rest of the arguements assume that Dehydraded Namor is 5-C, which he isn't, he's only 8-C

See the above.

Anyways this thread is still waiting for staff approval, so lets try to get that

This thread is cooked.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Anyways this thread is still waiting for staff approval, so lets try to get that

We already got 1 staff agree so we just need 1 more can someone tag mods they did it in the last thread

 

[Golden_Void]

Look there’s no point of arguing golden boy never makes valid points and gets off topic 24/7 bringing up Thanos to a namor thread lol

So we will just count his vote as disagree which is outvoted anyway so we just need 1 more mod vote to get this accepted

I never make valid points but you ran away from the thread for over a month much like every other thread you made that I disagreed with. That makes sense

 

[darkphantom9805]

I never make valid points but you ran away from the thread for over a month much like every other thread you made that I disagreed with. That makes sense

half if not more of your arguments are irrelevant to the OP in every thread you basically argue just to argue lol

Anyway if you disagree then you disagree 1 single disagree will be added it’s that simple

 

[Golden_Void]

basically half if not more of your arguments are irrelevant to the OP in every thread you basically argue just to argue lol

Anyway if you disagree then you disagree 1 disagree will be added it’s that simple

You're incapable of debunking anything I say which is why I make you abandon your threads. Now you throw strawmans and ad hominems left and right instead of addressing my arguments that you had over three weeks to do.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I was asked to comment here. Reading over it I'm leaning towards Golden Void's arguments at the moment, but I'll try to respond in a more thought out message when i get the chance later. So list me as disagreeing for now.

 

[darkphantom9805]

even if the Jabari wood doesn’t get accepted which I don’t see why as it’s stated dozens of times he should at least be listed to scale to thanos as not scaling him is just ignoring what happened on screen at that point

 

[Dinobot1996]

I only found screenwriter Christopher Markus confirm that the sword is stronger than Vibranium:

 

[darkphantom9805]

but I'll try to respond in a more thought out message when i get the chance later.

Ok but why is this wrong literally the entire thread see it differently and think it’s valid

The thanos stuff is as clear cut as you can get and we have dozens of statements to go with the wood you would not only be going against dozens of WoG statements but you would be denying the very origin story of the wood along with on screen feats so basically everything

Meaning you’d be saying all of his on screen feats + WoG statements + lore are wrong at that point you would be ignoring the movies itself

 

[darkphantom9805]

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