[MCU] more resistances for immortals

[FentyBeauty]

immortals currently have these resistances:

• Resistance to Corrosion Inducement, Soul Manipulation, Reality Warping & Space-Time Manipulation (Immortals are immune to Death's ability, who embodies decay and can free the soul of a living being and manipulate reality, time, and space)

Those were from before Death’s first physical appearance in the MCU so the resistances were only based off of a scan from the Guardians of the Galaxy’s artbook. As of now, she has a profile, and she also has these abilities listed: Magic, Life Manipulation, and Death Manipulation. So immortals should also resist those abilities which Death can manipulate the cycle of all living things with Green Craft/Earth Magic which is also her power, as well as manipulate the given time living beings are set to die as shown with Nicholas Scratch, and her powers can also instantly induce death in Agatha Harkness when she tried to absorb them through a kiss, before making her rapidly decompose

updated justification for the resistances:

• Resistance to Corrosion Inducement, Soul Manipulation, Reality Warping, Space-Time Manipulation, Magic, Life Manipulation, and Death Manipulation (Immortals are immune to Death's ability, who embodies decay and can free the soul of a living being and manipulate reality, time, space, as well as wield Earth Magic and being able to control the cycle of all living things, and can also induce death in others)

Applies to: Ancient One, Hela, Dormammu, Eternity, The Watcher, Kahhori, Shang-Chi, Mandarin, Kaecilius, Arishem, Celestials, Alioth, Ego, Khonshu, Ammit, Eternals (Thena, Ikaris, Makkari, Phastos, Sersi, Gilgamesh), Strange Supreme, and Celestial Star-Lord

Edit: after a brief discussion about the vagueness of the artbook scan about death, i’m a little confused on what exact type of immortality the immunities apply to and how those with that type of immortality are immune to death, so i’m waiting for more opinions on if the characters that already have these resistances should keep them or only those who has direct feats of resisting death in some way (wiccan for example and probably cosmic entities & celestials) can have them instead

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah this all looks good

 

[AsterReal]

I think this is fine.

 

[LMalone22]

Agree with this, I know this has nothing to do with this CRT but I'm just saying that Agatha Harkness profile in what if...? is still 5-A, can you fix that?

 

[Damage3245]

What does "Immortal" mean in an MCU context here? Because just because a character may be immortal in the sense that they won't age or won't die from old age, that doesn't mean they can't be killed. If an Immortal is someone who can't die period, then that makes more sense.

 

[AsterReal]

What does "Immortal" mean in an MCU context here? Because just because a character may be immortal in the sense that they won't age or won't die from old age, that doesn't mean they can't be killed. If an Immortal is someone who can't die period, then that makes more sense.

That seems not to be the case here. Since I believe that all the profiles cited have only Type 1 of Immortality.

 

[LMalone22]

What does "Immortal" mean in an MCU context here? Because just because a character may be immortal in the sense that they won't age or won't die from old age, that doesn't mean they can't be killed. If an Immortal is someone who can't die period, then that makes more sense.

Are you referring to a immortality that is completely devoid of life and death? If so, that would make more sense than the type 1 immortality that can be killed

 

[AsterReal]

Are you referring to a immortality that is completely devoid of life and death? If so, that would make more sense than the type 1 immortality that can be killed

Well, reading the thread again, I realize that the resistance seems to be based on a Guardian of the Galaxy art book and being sincere the resistance for immortality does not seem convincing to me now either. Maybe it works better to eliminate resistance and make a character climb according to more direct resistance.

 

[FentyBeauty]

Well, reading the thread again, I realize that the resistance seems to be based on a Guardian of the Galaxy art book and being sincere the resistance for immortality does not seem convincing to me now either. Maybe it works better to eliminate resistance and make a character climb according to more direct resistance.

yeah not gonna lie the scan from the art book feels iffy to use too

i agree with u bc its lowkey kinda vague now that i went through it again. the only person who seems to directly resist death seems to be wiccan since it was brought up in agatha all along that she couldn’t take his soul since he would keep reincarnating or possessing another body. other than that, i dont see any other character showing that capability

 

[AsterReal]

yeah not gonna lie the scan from the art book feels iffy to use too

i agree with u bc its lowkey kinda vague now that i went through it again. the only person who seems to directly resist death seems to be wiccan since it was brought up in agatha all along that she couldn’t take his soul since he would keep reincarnating or possessing another body. other than that, i dont see any other character showing that capability

It is curious that you mention Wiccan. Because despite being the only character who has direct feats of resisting the ability of death his profile says the following:

Possible Resistance to:
● Corrosion Inducement, Reality Warping, Time Manipulation and Spatial Manipulation (Should possibly be immune to Death’s other abilities, who embodies decay, and can manipulate reality, time, and space,[14] as Death was unable to do anything to Billy unless he surrendered himself)

He is the only character who resists the skill of Rio/Death but has it assigned as a "possible.".

 

[LMalone22]

So should we remove the resistance to death ability from profile with type 1 immortal and put it in immortal type 4 and compatible ones instead?

 

[FentyBeauty]

He is the only character who resists the skill of Rio/Death but has it assigned as a "possible.".

yea we should actually get that fixed lol

i actually created his profile but at the time, i thought the following resistances would only be for mcu characters with type 1 immortality which he doesnt have. and like technically he can still die (though only the body he possesses) so i’m not sure if thats still him being affected by death or someone he possessed being affected since technically he doesn’t even have a physical body anymore bc wanda erased it from existence by taking the westview hex down only for his soul to survive that

 

[FentyBeauty]

So should we remove the resistance to death ability from profile with type 1 immortal and put it in immortal type 4 and compatible ones instead?

not sure yet but i guess it should only apply to those who directly resisted death if the artbook of the guardians of the galaxy is too vague to use. i’m waiting for more opinions tho

 

[AsterReal]

So should we remove the resistance to death ability from profile with type 1 immortal and put it in immortal type 4 and compatible ones instead?

I would say that resistance is changed to "possible" for those who have no feats of resisting the powers of Rio/Death and those who have direct feats of doing so like Wiccan, should retain resistance in a solid way.

It would also seem good to me that Eternity (Infinite has no profile) kept the resistance intact since the book mentions it directly to being immune to the ability of Rio/Death.

 

[LMalone22]

not sure yet but i guess it should only apply to those who directly resisted death if the artbook of the guardians of the galaxy is too vague to use. i’m waiting for more opinions tho

I've asked this question many times before and it seems ambiguous since a Type 1 Immortal just doesn't age die so it doesn't make sense to have resistance to death ability and people just ignore it so we should have a serious discussion about it because a Type 1 Immortal can be killed and shouldn't be truly immortal.

 

[AsterReal]

I've asked this question many times before and it seems ambiguous since a Type 1 Immortal just doesn't age die so it doesn't make sense to have resistance to death ability and people just ignore it so we should have a serious discussion about it because a Type 1 Immortal can be killed and shouldn't be truly immortal.

Well if the resistance is too controversial it can always be eliminated. Although I would rather know if the supporters of the verse have anything to say about whether to preserve, modify or eliminate resistance.

 

[LMalone22]

bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Seems fine, I would just give it to anyone who has Immortality that makes them unkillable.