Maxwell vs Tricky The Clown (GRACE)

[ShionAH]

child with notebook FRA

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[Comiphorous]

I believe he doesn't have it in this key + Its works in hell I believe

Tricky has resurrection in all his keys.

 

[ShionAH]

Tricky has resurrection in all his keys.

Oh sorry. Anyways you voted incon right

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Maxwell fra

 

[Comiphorous]

Oh sorry. Anyways you voted incon right

Yes. Maxwell needs to write something before Tricky (who starts faster than him) gets a hold of him, since he’s gonna beat his ass.

Sans’ vote relies on maxwell putting him to sleep, but that again would require maxwell to write something before tricky gets close (which is debatable, since tricky is faster) and even if that does happen the higher powers have activated when tricky was incapped, meaning putting him to sleep wouldn’t even work.

 

[ShionAH]

Yes. Maxwell needs to write something before Tricky (who starts faster than him) gets a hold of him, since he’s gonna beat his ass.

Maxwells writing speed is faster than his normal speed pretty sure. How would tricky know he has to run as fast as he can and kill maxwell before he writes?

Sans’ vote relies on maxwell putting him to sleep, but that again would require maxwell to write something before tricky gets close (which is debatable, since tricky is faster) and even if that does happen the higher powers have activated when tricky was incapped, meaning putting him to sleep wouldn’t even work.

Maxwell can dodge using his thought based teleportation but it is tricky (no pun intended)

Maxwell can also paralyze or transmutate tricky. He can also mind hax fear hax or emphathic hax him. Soo many options!

 

[ExSENNA]

Maxwell FRA

 

[ShionAH]

Maxwell FRA

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[Comiphorous]

Maxwells writing speed is faster than his normal speed pretty sure. How would tricky know he has to run as fast as he can and kill maxwell before he writes?

According to his page, that doesn't seem to be the case. his opening move is amping and running at his opponent. it's not that he knows, it just so happens his starting move is doing exactly what he'd need to do to shut maxwell down.

Maxwell can dodge using his thought based teleportation but it is tricky (no pun intended)

Maxwell can also paralyze or transmutate tricky. He can also mind hax fear hax or emphathic hax him. Soo many options!H

Assuming he even sees tricky coming.

Fear manip and Empathic manip would make tricky stronger.

 

[ShionAH]

According to his page, that doesn't seem to be the case. his opening move is amping and running at his opponent. it's not that he knows, it just so happens his starting move is doing exactly what he'd need to do to shut maxwell down.

So tricky would somehow know maxwell is a threat? Anyways thats the only reason he stands a chance anyways, how does he amp btw?

Assuming he even sees tricky coming.

He doesn't have to

Fear manip and Empathic manip would make tricky stronger.

No they won't because it comes from conceptual manipulation which tricky doesn't resist.

 

[Comiphorous]

So tricky would somehow know maxwell is a threat? Anyways thats the only reason he stands a chance anyways, how does he amp btw?

SBA they start with the intent to kill. he knows they're a threat. his amp just makes him 'go faster'. he just becomes as fast as he needs to go, as WoG put it.

He doesn't have to

It's thought based. he'd need to see tricky coming and think of teleporting. he very much DOES need to see him coming. (even if his profile doesn't even make it seem thought based.)

No they won't because it comes from conceptual manipulation which tricky doesn't resist.

Yes he would. Tricky resists fear manipulation because he'll quite literally get stronger under the effects of fear, just because he conceptually places fear on tricky doesn't mean it'd bypass his natural physiology.

 

[ShionAH]

SBA they start with the intent to kill. he knows they're a threat. his amp just makes him 'go faster'. he just becomes as fast as he needs to go, as WoG put it.

So its kind of a passive, does he even need the speed amp its pretty close distance for his superhuman speed

It's thought based. he'd need to see tricky coming and think of teleporting. he very much DOES need to see him coming. (even if his profile doesn't even make it seem thought based.)

Oooh you meant the teleportation I thought you meant adjectives. You are right I was just saying he can teleport if he sees a threat or tricky which should be hard since he knows who tricky is and tricky isnt the one to be stealthy or anything. (How is it supposed to be for it to be thought based lol?)

Yes he would. Tricky resists fear manipulation because he'll quite literally get stronger under the effects of fear, just because he conceptually places fear on tricky doesn't mean it'd bypass his natural physiology.

Actually it doesn't scare tricky. It makes tricky turn into a "scared tricky" or a "fearful tricky". Unless tricky can resist it on a conceptual scale he will fear maxwell.

 

[Comiphorous]

So its kind of a passive, does he even need the speed amp its pretty close distance for his superhuman speed

Doesn't really matter if he 'needs' the amp, he'll do it just to do it.

Oooh you meant the teleportation I thought you meant adjectives. You are right I was just saying he can teleport if he sees a threat or tricky which should be hard since he knows who tricky is and tricky isnt the one to be stealthy or anything. (How is it supposed to be for it to be thought based lol?)

Tricky has his own teleportation (which is likely a shit ton faster) he can use if he feels like it.

Actually it doesn't scare tricky. It makes tricky turn into a "scared tricky" or a "fearful tricky". Unless tricky can resist it on a conceptual scale he will fear maxwell.

If he's a 'scared tricky' he instantly gets amped. they can feel fear, but they are actively strengthened by those emotions. making tricky scared is quite literally a death sentence for Maxwell.

im still voting incon. sans' vote doesn't even really mention the fact Tricky is far faster than maxwell in this situation and doesn't even try to defend how he could write something before tricky grips and manhandles him. it's even questionable if his vote is valid at all.

 

[ShionAH]

Doesn't really matter if he 'needs' the amp, he'll do it just to do it.

he just becomes as fast as he needs to go

Tricky has his own teleportation (which is likely a shit ton faster) he can use if he feels like it.

How can a teleportation be faster than other one? (probably not.)

If he's a 'scared tricky' he instantly gets amped. they can feel fear, but they are actively strengthened by those emotions. making tricky scared is quite literally a death sentence for Maxwell.

If he's a "scared tricky" he will: going off by scribblenauts logic start running away scream in terror and drop anything he was thinking and focus on running.

im still voting incon. sans' vote doesn't even really mention the fact Tricky is far faster than maxwell in this situation and doesn't even try to defend how he could write something before tricky grips and manhandles him. it's even questionable if his vote is valid at all.

I added you to incon, well he can come back and revote if he wants to Idk lol.

 

[Comiphorous]

How can a teleportation be faster than other one? (probably not.)

his is probably faster to activate. going off of maxwell's profile he needs to pull out a globe and pick his location. tricky just needs to fall into the floor and reappear where he wishes.

If he's a "scared tricky" he will: going off by scribblenauts logic start running away scream in terror and drop anything he was thinking and focus on running.

Because... they don't resist fear manipulation...? it doesn't matter how maxwell applies it, tricky is just going to get stronger by it. unless you can show proof of him negating resistance to fear manipulation (something this verse doesn't even have...)

 

[ShionAH]

his is probably faster to activate. going off of maxwell's profile he needs to pull out a globe and pick his location. tricky just needs to fall into the floor and reappear where he wishes.

In game he just teleports. Only time they actually "used" the globe was when they created gotham so no all he has to do it think and he is gone to another place.

Because... they don't resist fear manipulation...? it doesn't matter how maxwell applies it, tricky is just going to get stronger by it. unless you can show proof of him negating resistance to fear manipulation (something this verse doesn't even have...)

They don't resist it nor does tricky resist conceptual manipulation. The thing you are misunderstanding is maxwell doesn't have "fear manipulation" he just has a really versatile conceptual manipulation that he USES to do other hax. Unless tricky resist conceptual manipulation type 2 he is gonna shit his pants and run away.

 

[Comiphorous]

In game he just teleports. Only time they actually "used" the globe was when they created gotham so no all he has to do it think and he is gone to another place.

His profile does not show anything about this, can i see a scan?

They don't resist it nor does tricky resist conceptual manipulation. The thing you are misunderstanding is maxwell doesn't have "fear manipulation" he just has a really versatile conceptual manipulation that he USES to do other hax. Unless tricky resist conceptual manipulation type 2 he is gonna shit his pants and run away.

if he uses conceptual manipulation to use OTHER HAXES he will resist said OTHER HAXES. show me feats of him bypassing resistances, or he'll be resisting it.

saying 'but it's conceptual manipulation' isn't scans of him bypassing resistances. show me him using conceptual manipulation to bypass someone's resistances. if you cannot do that, it's assumed he would resist it.

 

[ShionAH]

His profile does not show anything about this, can i see a scan?

if he uses conceptual manipulation to use OTHER HAXES he will resist said OTHER HAXES. show me feats of him bypassing resistances, or he'll be resisting it.

saying 'but it's conceptual manipulation' isn't scans of him bypassing resistances.

Like I said he uses CONCEPTUAL MANIPULATION and only that. The EFFECTS are other haxes. Unless the opponent can resist his CONCEPTUAL MANIPULATIN THAT HE USES TO DO STUFF they won't resist it. Maxwell isn't gonna use "fear manipulation" he is gonna use "conceptual manipulation TO do fear manipulations effect."

 

[Comiphorous]

would he actually use this in combat? not that it seems very useful considering how long it takes.

Like I said he uses CONCEPTUAL MANIPULATION and only that. The EFFECTS are other haxes. Unless the opponent can resist his CONCEPTUAL MANIPULATIN THAT HE USES TO DO STUFF they won't resist it. Maxwell isn't gonna use "fear manipulation" he is gonna use "conceptual manipulation TO do fear manipulations effect."

maxwell's page says nothing about bypassing the resistance to the effect he's placing on his opponent, and it wouldn't even make sense anyways. he's placing an emotion onto tricky's concept, which again would just make tricky fearful (something he resists). he'll resist it until you show me these holy scans of him bypassing one's resistance to something like this.

 

[ShionAH]

would he actually use this in combat? not that it seems very useful considering how long it takes.

It doesnt take long? Thats the players pov. To maxwell its a thought and yellow light and bam. He can use it if threatened

maxwell's page says nothing about bypassing the resistance to the effect he's placing on his opponent, and it wouldn't even make sense anyways. he's placing an emotion onto tricky's concept, which again would just make tricky fearful (something he resists). he'll resist it until you show me these holy scans of him bypassing one's resistance to something like this.

Because he doesnt have to bypass the resistance. Because he uses a completely different hax. That doesnt change the fact that he can transmutate or morality manip as well. Tricky resist fear hax and Maxwell uses concept hax TO make him feel fear. Unless he resists concept hax it will work. Like if you resist death haz but the opponent instanly kills you with poison hax you wont resist it because “I resist death hax” maxwell can also death hax type 7 immortality foes that are pretty sure resistant to it.

 

[Comiphorous]

It doesnt take long? Thats the players pov. To maxwell its a thought and yellow light and bam. He can use it if threatened

but HAS he used it to do that? he can but you could say that about any character.

Because he doesnt have to bypass the resistance. Because he uses a completely different hax. That doesnt change the fact that he can transmutate or morality manip as well. Tricky resist fear hax and Maxwell uses concept hax TO make him feel fear. Unless he resists concept hax it will work. Like if you resist death haz but the opponent instanly kills you with poison hax you wont resist it because “I resist death hax” maxwell can also death hax type 7 immortality foes that are pretty sure resistant to it.

false equivalent. your example is using two completely seperate haxes doing two COMPLETELY different things and assuming that's what im saying

this situation is;

Maxwell is using one hax, to apply another hax onto tricky. tricky resists the effect he's attempting to apply to tricky. he should resist because as the conceptual manipulation page says;

"These concepts, however, exist simultaneously with and are bound by the object of the concept." his adjectives are still bound by the object he's applying it to, meaning his resistance still applies to him, meaning he'd resist the hax.

 

[ShionAH]

but HAS he used it to do that? he can but you could say that about any character.

Its a player based game.

false equivalent. your example is using two completely seperate haxes doing two COMPLETELY different things and assuming that's what im saying

this situation is;

Maxwell is using one hax, to apply another hax onto tricky. tricky resists the effect he's attempting to apply to tricky. he should resist because as the conceptual manipulation page says;

"These concepts, however, exist simultaneously with and are bound by the object of the concept." his adjectives are still bound by the object he's applying it to, meaning his resistance still applies to him, meaning he'd resist the hax.

Alright I disagree with you but I cant argue more right now that makes this match a little closer now

 

[Dragonite007]

Max fra

 

[ShionAH]

1 more

 

[ZeedKZ]

Inconclusive for Comiphorous' reasons.

 

[ShionAH]

6 Maxwell
2 Incon

 

[Greatsage13th]

Maxwell FRA

 

[ShionAH]

Grace