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So, my previous downgrade thread was closed by a random moderator because it was a mess, and I must say that I agree, but this debate is far from over.
No one has posted scans of what I asked for, the thread could not go anywhere because those who claimed the positive did not provide proof and we were debating about feats that do not exist.
I honestly don't care how much the tiereing and the feats are defended by the wiki, I want to see legit proof of the feats that put them on this level (mainly 4-C). And if scans are not posted I am free to believe that these claims are false. Defending these statements with headcannon is not something I am prepared to believe in, I have went through the discussion threads where these upgrades were excepted and I saw nothing but claims with no proof.
Firstly for the Stellar tiering
I will repeat this again and name reasons why this feat can't be used.
1.) It's an obvious Outlier. No one has shown anything on the level they are at, most characters are far weaker, the dragons would have been wiped out easily by a single lord if this was true. The lords had to gang up on the dragons to stand a chance.
2) Nothing in the lore ever states or backs it. There really isn't anything that supports this, never has the sun been mentioned in the same sentence as the first flame. it's never been said the power of the soul is transported into the sun, it's never been said the flame equals the sun, it's never been said they fuel the sun, it's been said they fuel the flame, and this way light remains present, this does not mean power is directly delivered to the sun, or the flame being equally demanding to be kept alive as the sun. All these claims have no proof. And please refrain from using "we should downgrade most verses on the wiki because of the OP's logic"
Firstly I never suggested anything like that, I am amazed that none realized that I was talking about the lack of proof. The verse simply doesn't have enough proof for anything of that caliber to be accepted.
3) having power does not equal to outputting power. Just because some are stronger than others doesn't mean they can be wanked to this extent. Creating a sun or destroying it is a 4-C feat, not keeping it alive. but like I said, this shouldn't even be considered because the feat is a headcannon outlier.
Now for the Storm feat
You all claimed that dragging clouds requires energy, and I agree, lets say it does.
But this is feat has nothing to do with destruction. the storm was dragged right into the middle of Archdragon peak. that much power is bound to destroy a lot when you have a building on a large hill and country leveling force. Archdragon peak alone should be leveled to the ground, and even mountains around should suffer considerable amount of damage. saying this is a destructive feat without showing any actual destruction when used on something so inferior is literally defying logic to wank a feat. Say it requires a lot of force, it does it's alright. say it can't destroy anything but is still accounted is just ********.
Alduin coated Sovngarde in dark clouds and he can't destroy the entirety of it, Dovahkiin can clear clouds from the sky and this feat isn't ever shown to have any destructive potency on anything. Like I said it's just weather manipulation.
I also forgot, this feat seems to be an Association fallacy with no proof yet again. just becasue the stormdrake is related to the storm doesn't mean the stormdrake summoned it. hell, the storm came befroe the drake so it's even more unlikely to be done by him. the possibility the bell did it can't be overlook, and unless there is a scan saying otherwise, accepted headcannon can't beapplied here.
But theres more
Since the stellar feat wouldn't be legit, the storm feat also becomes an outlier becuase lords who are superior to the drakes would have no feats comparable to it.
In the end there are no scans that can soldify this tiering system of DS. If you show me legit scans I will gladly debate this furtherly, if not, I have no obligation to act according ot their profiles.
The choice is yours
No one has posted scans of what I asked for, the thread could not go anywhere because those who claimed the positive did not provide proof and we were debating about feats that do not exist.
I honestly don't care how much the tiereing and the feats are defended by the wiki, I want to see legit proof of the feats that put them on this level (mainly 4-C). And if scans are not posted I am free to believe that these claims are false. Defending these statements with headcannon is not something I am prepared to believe in, I have went through the discussion threads where these upgrades were excepted and I saw nothing but claims with no proof.
Firstly for the Stellar tiering
I will repeat this again and name reasons why this feat can't be used.
1.) It's an obvious Outlier. No one has shown anything on the level they are at, most characters are far weaker, the dragons would have been wiped out easily by a single lord if this was true. The lords had to gang up on the dragons to stand a chance.
2) Nothing in the lore ever states or backs it. There really isn't anything that supports this, never has the sun been mentioned in the same sentence as the first flame. it's never been said the power of the soul is transported into the sun, it's never been said the flame equals the sun, it's never been said they fuel the sun, it's been said they fuel the flame, and this way light remains present, this does not mean power is directly delivered to the sun, or the flame being equally demanding to be kept alive as the sun. All these claims have no proof. And please refrain from using "we should downgrade most verses on the wiki because of the OP's logic"
Firstly I never suggested anything like that, I am amazed that none realized that I was talking about the lack of proof. The verse simply doesn't have enough proof for anything of that caliber to be accepted.
3) having power does not equal to outputting power. Just because some are stronger than others doesn't mean they can be wanked to this extent. Creating a sun or destroying it is a 4-C feat, not keeping it alive. but like I said, this shouldn't even be considered because the feat is a headcannon outlier.
Now for the Storm feat
You all claimed that dragging clouds requires energy, and I agree, lets say it does.
But this is feat has nothing to do with destruction. the storm was dragged right into the middle of Archdragon peak. that much power is bound to destroy a lot when you have a building on a large hill and country leveling force. Archdragon peak alone should be leveled to the ground, and even mountains around should suffer considerable amount of damage. saying this is a destructive feat without showing any actual destruction when used on something so inferior is literally defying logic to wank a feat. Say it requires a lot of force, it does it's alright. say it can't destroy anything but is still accounted is just ********.
Alduin coated Sovngarde in dark clouds and he can't destroy the entirety of it, Dovahkiin can clear clouds from the sky and this feat isn't ever shown to have any destructive potency on anything. Like I said it's just weather manipulation.
I also forgot, this feat seems to be an Association fallacy with no proof yet again. just becasue the stormdrake is related to the storm doesn't mean the stormdrake summoned it. hell, the storm came befroe the drake so it's even more unlikely to be done by him. the possibility the bell did it can't be overlook, and unless there is a scan saying otherwise, accepted headcannon can't beapplied here.
But theres more
Since the stellar feat wouldn't be legit, the storm feat also becomes an outlier becuase lords who are superior to the drakes would have no feats comparable to it.
In the end there are no scans that can soldify this tiering system of DS. If you show me legit scans I will gladly debate this furtherly, if not, I have no obligation to act according ot their profiles.
The choice is yours
