Mashle - Non-Physical interaction revision

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Our current justification for non-physical interaction:

Non-Physical Interaction (Divine Visionaries are considered the top of the magic world in every sense[18][19][20]. By the fact that the higher the level of a wizard's magical power, the greater the sea of possibilities for more advanced spells[15][21], Divine Visionaries and comparable possess at least the same capacity as the creatures from Future Visionarie exam, which are able to affect the soul with any attack[22])

Everything is right so far, I just want to add one thing

Magic is naturally formless, the wizard must manifest it in a physical form to attack and cast spells. Wizards like Mádl are able to touch the essence of people's magic, that is, the non-physical form.

The fact that a vial is holding the essence is not an anti-feat, since there are equipments that canonically can touch unmanifested magic.

Such thing affectes Abel and Abyss

 

[InfiniteDay]

Seems legit.

 

[Maitreya12]

Why can’t the concentrated magical essence just have been made into a physical liquid form since we know they’re capable of doing making magic physical? I don’t see how that’s NPI

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Because the magical essence was shown to be non-physical. A concentration is simply the magic of several students together in a single vial. Having a liquid form doesnt disprove from being something unmanifest

 

[Maitreya12]

Yeah but why are you assuming that the concentration of magic in the vile is non physical when they could’ve just made that magical essence in physical form which we know they can do.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

You would have to assume that somehow they turned something non-physical into physical

 

[Maitreya12]

Which they can do as you point out since magic is non physical that they can manifest into being physical. So I don’t see the issue with that kind of logic.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Unmanifested magic is intangible. This essence was taken from students while they slept. For magic to have transformed into something physical the owner needs to do this, since there is no proof that wizards can manipulate the magic of others

Except if you are suggesting that Abel has power modification

 

[Maitreya12]

But the liquid isn’t intangible. There’s no evidence of that. I don’t see why the same mechanism that drained the students of that magic essence couldn’t have turned it into a physical liquid form.

Aren’t they doing this through some kind of mechanism rather than a person’s ability though?

 

[Maitreya12]

Although actually.

A better argument for NPI would be that magic can interact with non physical things like sound as was the case with Raynes I believe when he faced the sound lady even though that very same sound magic was shown to not work against Mash because it was non-physical sound.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

But the liquid isn’t intangible. There’s no evidence of that.

The liquid is the essence of magic. In the scene showing Domina's aura its clearly shown that magic has a physical state and a non-physical state. For magic to go into physical form the user needs to manifest it, otherwise it will not happen. This essence inside the vial was taken from students while they were sleeping, and therefore its magic that has not been manifested. To assume that liquid is physical because it is liquid is just fallacy

And again, to assume that Abel can transform the magic of others without absorbing it would require him to possess something like power modification

Although actually.

A better argument for NPI would be that magic can interact with non physical things like sound as was the case with Raynes I believe when he faced the sound lady even though that very same sound magic was shown to not work against Mash because it was non-physical sound.

That is already a thing, look at Cell War's profile.

 

[Maitreya12]

The liquid is the essence of magic. In the scene showing Domina's aura its clearly shown that magic has a physical state and a non-physical state. For magic to go into physical form the user needs to manifest it, otherwise it will not happen. This essence inside the vial was taken from students while they were sleeping, and therefore its magic that has not been manifested. To assume that liquid is physical because it is liquid is just fallacy

And again, to assume that Abel can transform the magic of others without absorbing it would require him to possess something like power modification

If magic naturally exists in a non physical gaseous state then it had to undergo some kind of change for it to reach a liquid state. I’m asking why you’re assuming the same thing that transformed that gaseous thing to a liquid didn’t make it a physical liquid instead of a non physical liquid?

It already modified it by turning it from gaseous state to a liquid state.

That is already a thing, look at Cell War's profile.

So this is more for the general magic users as well instead of just divine visionary levels?

 

[WrongIdea21]

For NPI , didn't Mash can touch creature that made by Shadow?