Marvel Comics General CRT [but mostly magic-focused]

[Eseseso]

Spoiler: Character-Specific Stuff

1. Celestials should have Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1) as well as Acausality Types 1 and 4: The Celestials existed before even the current Marvel Multiverse due to being created by the First Firmament, and existed in a time before time and a space before space
2. Galactus should have another feat for NPI due to interacting with magic (and absorbing it) throughout Doctor Strange Vol. 5.
3. Lady Death should have Immortality Negation (Types 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5), as she killed both Lord Mar-Vell and the armies of the Cancerverse,[5] a universe where the concept of Death was destroyed and as such all life is immortal and will even be resurrected upon being "killed")
4. Silver Surfer
   1. Resistance to Basic Magic: Unaffected by Karnilla's magic blast, and blocks Loki's magic attack, which he claimed would make a city perish
5. Dormammu
   1. Mid-Godly Resurrection: Dormammu is a concept, a shared belief among all of his followers, and so long as there are those who worship him, energy shall form itself to become him, even if he is completely destroyed
      1. Not combat-applicable
6. Astral Forms
   1. Dimensional Travel with High Hyperversal Range: They can travel to the Infinite Embassy, which resides at the top of Earth-616's cluster of dimensions, of which there are an infinite amount.
   2. Another feat for Astral form speed going up to Immeasurable at peak: In the astral realm, space is a byproduct of the imagination, so someone properly trained could choose to ignore distance and be in an instant wherever they want to be.
7. Thor
   1. Resistance to Hellfire (Withstood a Hellfire attack from Mephisto)
8. Thanos 2nd key with the Infinity Gauntlet
   1. Resistance to Basic Magic and Hellfire (Unaffected by Mephisto's hellfire)
9. Doctor Strange's equipment page
   1. Existence Erasure for the Eye of Agamotto (on Doctor Strange's equipment page): The light emitted from Strange's amulet (with the Eye of Agamotto being an upgraded version of the amulet) dissolved his cuffs into nothingness.
10. Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom, Shuma-Gorath, and Dormammu should all get Space Survival, as all of them have repeatedly gone to outer space with absolutely zero issue.

Spoiler: Even more magic stuff

1. Further Space-Time Manipulation for Basic Magic: A dash of magic mixed into Ted Sallis's blood caused a tear in space-time after he was injured in a car crash.
2. Further Biological Manipulation for Low Tier Sorcerers and further Stealth Mastery for High-Tier Sorcerers: Doctor Strange can disguise his mystic aura, and with a simple spell alter his body's metabolic rate to accelerate his hair growth
3. Telekinesis & Aura for High-Tier Sorcerers: Using a spell, Doctor Strange created an aura around himself that pushed away all the people around him, even making a man float in front of him.
4. Further support for magic having an abstract/symbolic nature due to names themselves having magic power in them: Here and Here
5. Another statement about magic at its core simply being a way of telling the universe to bend to your will to be added to the Marvel Magic page.
6. Remove Power Nullification from the power of Basic Magic: The Elders were nullified by the nature of the Magic half of Earth-616 (aka the Magick Universe), but this should not apply to basic magic when such nullification has never been shown by basic magic on its own before.
7. Gods of creatures of story (from Immortal Thor #1), another statement connecting Gods to magic due to the narrative/story-based nature of magic as described on the Marvel magic page.
8. Remove Resistance Negation from the power of Basic Magic: There is not enough to suggest resistance negation for magic IMO. Yes, Doom stated that the Silver Surfer robots he destroyed via magic deconstruction hax lacked magic, but that seemed to be more in regards to his own magic hax being such a powerful tool that the Surfer bots didn't have. Also, while he did note that his mystic powers let him look into Susan Storm's mind, that was more him gloating about his mystic powers including telepathy rather than him negating her resistance, especially since she doesn't have a passive resistance to mind hax (the one on her page is when she openly uses her energy to block her mind).
   1. Note: Durability Negation still stays on the page, the stuff on the page very much supports magic having durability-negating hax.
9. Also for Low-Tier Sorcerers:
   1. Further Telepathy: Nicholas Scratch could read Reed Richards' mind.
   2. Further Transmutation/Blood Manipulation: Nicholas Scratch would've transmuted Human Torch's blood had he not been stopped.
   3. Further Extrasensory Perception: Anywhere magic lives, magicians can sense and know what the rest of mankind (aka non-magic users) cannot.
10. Resistance to Matter Manipulation & Law Manipulation for Demons and Faltines (though the latter already have it): The Mystic Realms are inhabited by beings who can circumvent the natural, rationalistic laws of physical matter)

Spoiler: Shuma-Gorath P&A Additions

1. Shuma-Gorath:
   1. Further statements for Higher-Dimensional Existence: Shuma-Gorath's true form exists on many angles/planes of reality that mortals cannot perceive. Also, the realm of Shuma's that is stated to dwarf Mephisto and Satannish was stated to be on a lower dimensional plane then the one that he resided in when Strange fought him (even though it was still a realm of his).
      1. Further statements for Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 1: The Old Ones are from the space between realities, meaning that they are outside of Earth-616, and are described as coming from beyond reality itself. They are also described as being super-dimensional as well as beyond the measure of normal dimensions.
   2. Immortality Type 5/Further Resistance to Death Manipulation: Low 1-A. While badly damaged by it, the Many Angled Ones (Shuma-Gorath included) were not killed by Lady Death's attack, even though it killed an alternate version of Mar-Vell who was of the Cancerverse, a universe where the concept of Death was destroyed and as such all life is immortal.
   3. Bump up his magic skills from Basic Magic to Low-Tier Sorcerer: Used mystic sigils to bind Quoggoth, so it's clear that he can use actual spells.
   4. Sealing: Used mystic sigils to bind Quoggoth.
   5. Causality Manipulation & Probability Manipulation: Shuma-Gorath can manipulate possibilities and influence the occurrences of events that would have happened regardless.
   6. Chaos Manipulation: Shuma-Gorath is repeatedly described as a Lord of Chaos, using energies of Chaos in his attacks and even being stated as one of the Primal Powers of Chaos.
   7. Mind Manipulation: Mind-controlled a man into reading the three books needed to release him, from Conan the Barbarian #259
   8. Life Manipulation & Death Manipulation: Shuma-Gorath is one of the Old Ones, who can overthrow the fundamental laws of all possible universes, including life and death.
   9. Abstract Existence (Type 2): The Old Ones are embodiments of nothing and the absence of meaning.
   10. Creation and Life Manipulation: Created Quoggoth, a being who even he cannot kill.
   11. Extrasensory Perception: The Many-Angled Ones sensed/felt the global trauma of the human population of Earth-10011 regarding their Mar-Vell's terminal cancer.
   12. Power Absorption: After grabbing the Invisible Woman, Shuma was absorbing her power, and could even do so to the powerful sorcerer/entity Sise-Neg if given the chance.
   13. Resistance to Fire Manipulation: Even Shuma-Gorath's physical projections can shrug off fireballs like raindrops, and Shuma also shrugged off a fire explosion from the Human Torch.
   14. Resistance to Magic, Mind Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, and Sleep Manipulation: Shuma-Gorath, even in his physical form, easily shrugged off spells from Kulan Gath and Vammatar that were meant to render him inert, asleep, and under their control, only pretending to be affected by them until the proper moment.
   15. Remove Transmutation/Biological Manipulation and Fire Manipulation: I was mistaken since I thought Shuma's lieutenant, Arioch, was a fellow Old One, but he is instead just a fellow Lord of Chaos like Shuma, which isn't enough to indicate that Shuma should have his powers (since even Dormammu is occasionally considered a Lord of Chaos).

 

[Antvasima]

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What do you think about this?

 

[Da3ggman]

Looks good at a glance, I agree.

Kinda surprised Shuma Gurath isn’t a stronger magician, honestly.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright from a glance.

 

[Excellence616]

Looks good

 

[LordTracer]

Looks fine at a glance.

 

[PrinceofPein]

1. Lady Death should have Immortality Negation (Types 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5), as she killed both Lord Mar-Vell and the armies of the Cancerverse,[5] a universe where the concept of Death was destroyed and as such all life is immortal and will even be resurrected upon being "killed")

There is no type 5 here. As they are alive. Neither dead or alive i.e. above the concept of living or dead, that's type 5. No concept of death but concept of living is not type 5.

Everything else is fine

 

[Eseseso]

There is no type 5 here. As they are alive. Neither dead or alive i.e. above the concept of living or dead, that's type 5. No concept of death but concept of living is not type 5.

Tbh Type 5 has always confused me a bit so I'll wait to see what others think.

Everything else is fine

Thank you.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out here.

 

[Eseseso]

Kinda surprised Shuma Gurath isn’t a stronger magician, honestly.

I mean there's one or two scans that arguably support him being Sorcerer Supreme Tier but comic inconsistencies go brr.

And a lot of the reason Strange struggles against him is because he combines sheer AP with the fact that he's an absolute tank.