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Cable and Deadpool #7 -Irene Merrywearther - Newspaper interview with Cable
Cable and Deadpool #9 - Cable's last will and interview Part 1
Cable and Deadpool #10 - Cable's last will and interview Part 2
From reading these interviews we know that:
1. Cable's power was increasing further to the point that it will be too much for his body to handle and he will lose control
(Cable#18)
Cable's mutation was growing exponentially to dangerous levels.
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Cable's power was stated and shown to be increasing throughout the time he was able to unlock his abilities (Soldier X to Cable and Deadpool vol1)
Cable "burning out" doesn't refer to his power disappearing, quite the opposite, Cable's power kept increasing to the point that it will eventually burn out his system and cause him to lose control of his powers.
(Cable and Deadpool #1)
(Soldier X #1)
Cable and Deadpool #10 - Cable's last will and interview Part 2
Cable: The more powerful I recently became. The more I searched for something of value. Power without worth was useless to me
This increase in power can be seen if you pay attention to how powerful he is
Soldier X #12 Can't use his telepathy on a world wide scale
In Cable and Deadpool #1 Cable had head aches trying to scan the minds of all people in building
In Cable and Deadpool #2 He was having trouble sifting through the mind of an entire city
Jump to Cable and Deadpool #7-10 and...
while in Soldier X Cable said that he needs to use 20% of his power to keep the TO virus at bay. He also stated that the expansion of his powers will cause him to eventually lose control of it.
2. Cable was seriously suicidal
Aside from his powers eventually going out of control Cable was also shown to be extremely suicidal. This can be seen from his conversations with Domino/Six Pack and the interview with Irene
After the fight with Surfer and lobotomization, the Six Pack were able to locate Cable but Cable, after being lobotomized by Deadpool, has little control of the his last remaining power which caused Six Pack to be drawn in the dying Cable's mindscape. Inside his mindscape the Six Pack met with a Cable who is literally skipping with joy due to his impeding death.
Cable and Deadpool #12
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3. Cable wanted to sacrifice himself to show the world that it could be better
This was his plan all along, he basically did Zero Requiem before it was cool. Hell he even explained it to Surfer while they were fighting
If Cable planned to lose then why is he ranting to Surfer not letting him complete his plan? The answer to that is in the interview, in Cable's last will/interview/testament. Cable said he planned and micromanaged everything that happened in that storyline
(Cable and Deadpool #12)
Anyway, everything that happened was what Cable wanted to happen. After Deadpool used the device Cable "ordered" (manipulated him into assembling) to be assembled, Cable was able to use his powers one
To further prove that all of this is all according Cable's plan lets talk about the device Deadpool used.
The device that was used to lobotomized Cable, in order to remove his powers, was a future tech that Wade was paid to get. The Cat (Shen Kuei) was also looking for the parts of this device in order to stop Cable.
So who "hired" Deadpool? None other than Cable himself
Cable to Wade "But you have to understand something-- I wanted you to succeed!"
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Cable manipulated Deadpool and the Cat into assembling the device that will be used to stop him (Cable and Deadpool#10)
Cable did not lose because he got outclassed, Cable lost to Surfer because that was what his plan was all along.
Aside from that, its been hinted, if not outright stated that Cable has knowledge of the future.
Cable losing to Surfer shouldn't be used to block upgrade to Cable. Cable's loss to Surfer was part of Cable's plan so it shouldn't be used to say Silver Surfer is more powerful than Cable because its not even a real fight in the first place.
In fact there are evidence that Cable is more powerful than Surfer
Another one from the interview with Irene (Cable and Deadpool #9).
Irene asked Cable if he worries about the superhumans coming to stop him and this was his reply.
When Cable said this, he's gotta have to know about the Surfer considering that Cable was reading the minds of everyone on Earth. Sending Surfer was a plan by shield and we already know that Cable was constantly reading the minds of everyone on earth, including the guys at shield. Aside from that, as I previously said, it seems that Cable has knowledge of the future, including his fight with Surfer and his lobotomization.
But just because he said so doesn't mean its true right? That's true but there are other things that points in that direction.
Surfer was unable to stop the growth of Cable's power. In fact, him fighting Cable only caused Cable to burn out faster because he had to use more power than expected. And as established above, Cable's power was not the one burning out as many people think, its Cable's body burning out due to his increasing powers. Even after Cable's fight with Surfer his power was still increasing which is where the device he had Deadpool assembled came into play. The Cat, Cyclops and Deadpool even had an argument about this because Cyclops thought that Cable has been defeated by the Surfer so the device was unnecessary.
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Immediately after Cable's fight with Surfer ended Deadpool bodyslided both of them into one of Cable's safehouse in Switzerland where Cable asked Deadpool to use the device on him
After he was lobotomize, Cable was still able to use his powers for a while and he used his telepathy to tell everyone this --
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Also, if you're wondering whats special about this device and how powerful it is, this device was made up of different parts and one of the part of this device, the Chronal Vacuum Filter, is a device that monitors the physical barrier of the space time continuum and is capable of rupturing reality (Cable and Deadpool#8)
Deadpool was also interviewed by Irene where Deadpool breaks the 4th and said that the device was a plot device to stop Cable when he becomes too powerful
(Cable and Deadpool #8)
Cable destroyed Surfer's board. I don't know why people say destroying Surfer's board is nothing. Sure, Surfer can just repair his board but only powerful beings were shown to be capable of destroying/damaging Surfer's board like what Cable has done
Surfer's board is tough
Savage Hulk was unable to break Surfer's board even though he took his time to do so
In Annihilation: Silver Surfer #4 Ravenous was unable to break it
The people who were shown to be capable of breaking Surfer's board were people that Surfer definitely can't fodderize/stomp whatever
So here's a list of characters who has broken Surfers board and how powerful they were
During their entire fight Surfer was being manhandle by the Enslaver and Surfer was only able to defeat him due to trickery and by destroying his ship which contains his power.
The Enslaver and his army were even able to starve Galactus and made Galactus flee to other galaxies
Durok was created by Karnilla at the behest of Loki for no other reason than to destroy Thor. The only way the Silver Surfer could beat him was to transport him to a far distant future just before the "Big Crunch" and leave him there.
Aegis and Tenebrous were shown to be a match for Galactus
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Morg with the Power Cosmic + Waters of Life vs the Former Heralds of Galactus
In their fight Cable was able to forcefully link his mind with Silver Surfer. After Cable was lobotomized he was also able to not just link his mind with Surfer, he linked everyone's mind, including the Silver Surfer's mind, to everyone else, to show everyone whats in each others hear.
Like I said, If Cable seriously wants to win then he could have brought down Silver Surfer with TP alone. When Hope cured Cable of the T/O Virus he was again able to access his powers but the problem was thatCable basically had a brain-time-cancer which means he can't strain himself and use his powers much despite being free of the viruss and even then Cable was able to bring down the Uncanny Avengers team which included Thor with his TP (Cable and X-Force#10).
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During X-Sanction, Cable, while dying due to the TO Virus, was still able to Psi-blast Red Hulk
Cable reading Irene's mind (Cable and Deadpool #7)
Its impressive because Irene's mind has been made immune to telepathic proving by Alecto in Cable #94. Alecto said that she made it so that Irene's mind will be unreadable even to the worlds most powerful telepath.
Alecto is one of the Norns/Fates. She was described as a being who controls the very nature of reality. Alecto said that she is the second of the three sisters that serves the lord of possibility and probability and that it is their duty to ensure that the multiverse functions properly
Overview
Both the scan of Apocalypse tanking attacks and the scan of Cyclops later destroying Apocalypse are of questionable value because both characters were likely amped by Nathan Summer's energy--1, 2.
Background
The events kick off in X-Factor #65 when Apocalypse reappears to attack X-Factor. He kidnaps Cyclops's son, Nathan, and infects their celestial ship with a virus. To save New York, X-Factor flies into space where they meet the Inhumans. The Inhumans tell them that Apocalypse has attacked them as well, taking over their moon base and capturing many other Inhumans and forcing them into service. Meanwhile, Apocalypse hints at deadly plans to increase his own power at the expense of Nathan and other mutants.
After consulting with one another, the X-Men and Inhumans attack Apocalypse's forces to free Nathan and the captured Inhumans. After an initial defeat, the two teams rally, and Cyclops succeeds in destroying Apocalypse.
Discussion
Apocalypse was likely amped by Nathan's energy when he tanked the combined attacks of the X-Men and Inhumans. Early on, his servants connected Nathan to a machine, and Apocalypse talked about "absorbing [Nathan's] life essence into [his] own". Apocalypse also boasts that Nathan will be the instrument of X-Factor's destruction, implying that he's using Nathan somehow. Cyclops also quickly picks up on the situation and realizes that Apocalypse is reenergizing himself through conduits and targets them. So, it seems that Apocalypse was likely siphoning energy from Nathan somehow.
Similarly, Cyclops was also probably amped when he destroyed Apocalypse. Early on in the battles, an onlooker remarks that Black Bolt's voice seems more powerful than Cyclops's optic blasts, but as mentioned above, Apocalypse easily tanks both Black Bolts' and Cyclops's attacks initially. So, it seems unlikely that Cyclops's normal blasts would do much.
However, during the course of the battle, Jean uses Nathan's power to connect to Cyclops. Cyclops indicates the experience has a profound effect on him and specifically mentions being a gestalt of beings with Jean and Nathan. He then unleashes a blast that accomplishes what no one else could--the destruction of Apocalypse. Afterwards, he explicitly mentions that Nathan gave him power. So, given that Cyclops's blasts were noticeably weaker than Black Bolt, who could do nothing to Apocalypse, and the reference to Nathan's energy, it seems highly likely that Cyclops also was amped by Nathan.
TLDR: Apocalypse, pumped with baby Nathan's power and lifeforce fodderizes both the X-men and Inhumans, tanked Black Bolt's scream and Cyclop's beam without trouble. Cyclops and Jean then formed a link with baby Nathan to use his powers which allowed Cyclops to destroy Apocalypse with a single blast.
Askani/Apocalypse Prophecy
Cable was destined to destroy Apocalypse according to a prophecy received by Mother Askani (Racehl Summers). This is the reason why the Clan Askani took Baby Nathan in the future.
Also, before anyone questions if Rachel's/Mother Askani's is a reliable narrator and say that Rachel is just a "noob telepath" it has been stated and shown many times that Mother Askani is much more powerful than Rachel
Cable #23
Rachel was given Cable's/Dayspring prophecy whens he was not a "noob telepath" but when she was the Phoenix. It even seems like the Phoenix itself revived Rachel to help fulfill this prophecy
(X-Men: Phoenix #2)
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As shown above, Mother Askani, has a fraction of the phoenix force and can interact with the past, present and future versions of herself, including with the Rachel who have the Phoenix Force.
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Not to mention that Mother Askani/Rachel is the leader of Clan Askani. The Askani guards the timeline and can see the past, present,future and alternate timelines. It was was stated that the Askani was time spanning and with its disciples capable of existsing outside of time (The Further Adeventures of Cyclops and Phoenix#4) . Mother Askani's essence exists as long as the Askani exists (X-Force 2019 #9).
Anyway, there's a big difference between Mother Askani and Rachel. There's no reason to think that Mother Askani is not a valid authority and what she said shouldn't just be thrown aside as some rambling of an old religious nut or of a noob telepath
Mother Askani said that Cable is more powerful than her or any telepath combined, could extinguish a star with less than conscious effort and once his powers developed, will have no peer throughout the universe
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In the future, Apocalypse has become much more powerful and is burning his bodies faster and faster (The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix #1). The reason why Apocalypse was searching for Nathan was because he is the only one with the capacity to hosts his power without burning up.
(The Adventures of Cylops and Phoenix#4)
"Am I prepared to use the young boy as the final vessel for my near infinite power"
In the Search for Cyclops#4 Cable stabbed Apocalypse with his Psimitar which killed Apocalypse and caused his essence and spirit to disperse
Cable's genetics and essence
During the "Enema of the State" story arc (Cable and Deadpool#16-18), Cable fought an evil entity (The Skornn) and ended up missing. Although everyone presumed Cable to be dead, Deadpool ironically believes him still alive and asks Forge to create a device in order to track Cable down. With Siryn and Cannonball, Deadpool begins jumping from alternate earth to alternate earth finding many versions of Cable, from a Horseman of Apocalypse to an Utopian ruler.
Afte Cable
In the end it was explained that the worlds Deadpool passed through were changed because of Cable's essence passing through them.
Cable and Deadpool #18
Cable and Deadpool#16
He finally reaches the real Cable, except that he is a baby and under the care of Mr. Sinister. When Deadpool finally grabs Cable, he unsuccessfully attempts to teleport out of the dimension, only to be impaled by Sinister. Deadpool, Cannonball, and Siryn are unaware that they are back in the regular Marvel universe, but that the world around them has been transformed thanks to the interference of the Scarlet Witch (House of M).
Deadpool and Cable were in "transit" when House of M was undone so they were not affected by the changes. Cable came back still an infant but due to HoM Sinister injecting him with Deadpool's gene he was growing at a rapid pace. The problem was that his mind was growing faster than his body and his metabolism was in overdrive which means he will lost his powers eventually.
Anyway, in HoM reality, Cable was created by Sinister through genetic engineering
Sinister described him as the representation of genetic potential of all mutants and has the power all mutants could ever hope to achieve
Cable and Deadpool #17
Cable and Deadpool #16
In HoM Sinister was raising the infant Cable to the savior of the world for his plans
Cable and Deadpool #18
The Fates
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In Cable #85 a being whos likely one of the Fates/Norns appeared to Irene Merryweather, Cable's friend and chronicler. She introduced herself as Alecto and warned Irene about trusting Cable's mentor Blaquesmith
Alecto said that the prophecy of Cable defeating Apocalypse is not the end of the prophecy but is merely just the start of Cable's destiny. Alecto told Irene that she must learn the truth about Cable's destiny and why he is called the Chosen One
In the next issue (Cable#86) we were shown that the Fates were observing Cable's fight against Gaunt in order to free Rachel. The Fates said that the Tree will end if Cable lost
The Fates returned again in Cable#89, now in the form of three children playing outside of Cable's headquarters.
In Cable#94 Alecto appeared again. She was described as a being who controls the very nature of reality. Here Alecto said that she is the second of the three sisters that serves the lord of possibility and probability and that it is their duty to ensure that the multiverse functions properly. She explained that they are the caretakers of Creation and that the reason why they care so much about Cable's destiny is because Cable is necessary to the stability of the multiverse due to him being a nexus of time and space
"You're manipulating Cable to act the way you want?" "To act the way he must to insure stability in the multiverse. Nathans Summers is a Nexus of Time and Space"
Cable's power was still expanding until the point of him being lobotomized. Mother Askani said that Cable's full potential will be unlocked one day when he gets rid of the TO virus and when his mind and body becomes one
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"Full Potential Cable" is a prophecy that is still not fulfilled.
Even though he grew powerful during Soldier X and Burnt Offering its likely not Cables full potential. Mother Askani said that Cable's body and mind will be as one when he reaches his full potential and this is definitely not the case with Cable in Soldier X/Burnt Offering, its been constantly stated that Cable's body has become his enemy and that his ever growing will kill him or eventually cause him to lose control (which was why he planned to depower himself and commit suicide).
It was revealed that Cable's TO did not go away, its just that due to the increase of his powers it got easier and easier to manage
In Soldier X#12 Cable revealed that he still use 20% of his power to contain the TO
In Cable and Deadpool#3 Cable confirmed that his TO returned but controlling it is now just an afterthought. Cable also said that the continued expansion of his powers is not something that his body can withstand
If we believe Mother Askani then he won't reach his full potential until his body and mind becomes one or else he will just burn out like what was happening to him in Cable and Deadpool vol 1.
Cable vs Silver Surfer
This seems to get brought up a lot whenever theres a discussion about Savior Cable, about how Silver Surfer one shotted or stomped Cable but the problem is is that it wasn't really that straightforward. If you read the entire arc including the interviews, recaps and dialogues it would be obvious why Cable lost that fight.How and why Cable orchestrated his own "death", defeat and disempowerment
Cable's Interview with Irene Merryweather + other stuff
Cable and Deadpool #7 -Irene Merrywearther - Newspaper interview with Cable
Cable and Deadpool #9 - Cable's last will and interview Part 1
Cable and Deadpool #10 - Cable's last will and interview Part 2
From reading these interviews we know that:
1. Cable's power was increasing further to the point that it will be too much for his body to handle and he will lose control
(Cable#18)
Cable's mutation was growing exponentially to dangerous levels.
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Cable's power was stated and shown to be increasing throughout the time he was able to unlock his abilities (Soldier X to Cable and Deadpool vol1)
Cable "burning out" doesn't refer to his power disappearing, quite the opposite, Cable's power kept increasing to the point that it will eventually burn out his system and cause him to lose control of his powers.
(Cable and Deadpool #1)
(Soldier X #1)
Cable and Deadpool #10 - Cable's last will and interview Part 2
Cable: The more powerful I recently became. The more I searched for something of value. Power without worth was useless to me
This increase in power can be seen if you pay attention to how powerful he is
Soldier X #12 Can't use his telepathy on a world wide scale
In Cable and Deadpool #1 Cable had head aches trying to scan the minds of all people in building
In Cable and Deadpool #2 He was having trouble sifting through the mind of an entire city
Jump to Cable and Deadpool #7-10 and...
- Cable's telepathy has grown to the point that he was constantly listening and talking to everyone on the planet (Cable and Deadpool #9 - Cable's last will and interview Part 1)
- Cable's telepathy is so powerful that Emma Frost with Cerebro struggles to shield a conversation from him. At this point Cable is reading the minds of everyone on the planet at once and is inside everyones heads. (Cable and Deadpool #7)
- Emma Frost Psi shields are barely able to hold up due to Cable having ionized the planet with the strength of his telepathy (Cable and Deadpool#9)
while in Soldier X Cable said that he needs to use 20% of his power to keep the TO virus at bay. He also stated that the expansion of his powers will cause him to eventually lose control of it.
2. Cable was seriously suicidal
Aside from his powers eventually going out of control Cable was also shown to be extremely suicidal. This can be seen from his conversations with Domino/Six Pack and the interview with Irene
After the fight with Surfer and lobotomization, the Six Pack were able to locate Cable but Cable, after being lobotomized by Deadpool, has little control of the his last remaining power which caused Six Pack to be drawn in the dying Cable's mindscape. Inside his mindscape the Six Pack met with a Cable who is literally skipping with joy due to his impeding death.
Cable and Deadpool #12
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3. Cable wanted to sacrifice himself to show the world that it could be better
This was his plan all along, he basically did Zero Requiem before it was cool. Hell he even explained it to Surfer while they were fighting
If Cable planned to lose then why is he ranting to Surfer not letting him complete his plan? The answer to that is in the interview, in Cable's last will/interview/testament. Cable said he planned and micromanaged everything that happened in that storyline
As shown in the interview, Cable knew, and planned, that he's going to be stopped just as he was about to finish his "plan"
(Cable and Deadpool #12)
Anyway, everything that happened was what Cable wanted to happen. After Deadpool used the device Cable "ordered" (manipulated him into assembling) to be assembled, Cable was able to use his powers one
To further prove that all of this is all according Cable's plan lets talk about the device Deadpool used.
The device that was used to lobotomized Cable, in order to remove his powers, was a future tech that Wade was paid to get. The Cat (Shen Kuei) was also looking for the parts of this device in order to stop Cable.
So who "hired" Deadpool? None other than Cable himself
Cable to Wade "But you have to understand something-- I wanted you to succeed!"
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Cable manipulated Deadpool and the Cat into assembling the device that will be used to stop him (Cable and Deadpool#10)
Cable did not lose because he got outclassed, Cable lost to Surfer because that was what his plan was all along.
Aside from that, its been hinted, if not outright stated that Cable has knowledge of the future.
https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/69/cable_deadpool_2004_9
Cable losing to Surfer shouldn't be used to block upgrade to Cable. Cable's loss to Surfer was part of Cable's plan so it shouldn't be used to say Silver Surfer is more powerful than Cable because its not even a real fight in the first place.
In fact there are evidence that Cable is more powerful than Surfer
Cable's Power
Another one from the interview with Irene (Cable and Deadpool #9).
Irene asked Cable if he worries about the superhumans coming to stop him and this was his reply.
When Cable said this, he's gotta have to know about the Surfer considering that Cable was reading the minds of everyone on Earth. Sending Surfer was a plan by shield and we already know that Cable was constantly reading the minds of everyone on earth, including the guys at shield. Aside from that, as I previously said, it seems that Cable has knowledge of the future, including his fight with Surfer and his lobotomization.
But just because he said so doesn't mean its true right? That's true but there are other things that points in that direction.
Surfer was unable to stop the growth of Cable's power. In fact, him fighting Cable only caused Cable to burn out faster because he had to use more power than expected. And as established above, Cable's power was not the one burning out as many people think, its Cable's body burning out due to his increasing powers. Even after Cable's fight with Surfer his power was still increasing which is where the device he had Deadpool assembled came into play. The Cat, Cyclops and Deadpool even had an argument about this because Cyclops thought that Cable has been defeated by the Surfer so the device was unnecessary.
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Immediately after Cable's fight with Surfer ended Deadpool bodyslided both of them into one of Cable's safehouse in Switzerland where Cable asked Deadpool to use the device on him
After he was lobotomize, Cable was still able to use his powers for a while and he used his telepathy to tell everyone this --
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Also, if you're wondering whats special about this device and how powerful it is, this device was made up of different parts and one of the part of this device, the Chronal Vacuum Filter, is a device that monitors the physical barrier of the space time continuum and is capable of rupturing reality (Cable and Deadpool#8)
Deadpool was also interviewed by Irene where Deadpool breaks the 4th and said that the device was a plot device to stop Cable when he becomes too powerful
(Cable and Deadpool #8)
Destroying Silver Surfer's Board
Cable destroyed Surfer's board. I don't know why people say destroying Surfer's board is nothing. Sure, Surfer can just repair his board but only powerful beings were shown to be capable of destroying/damaging Surfer's board like what Cable has done
Surfer's board is tough
Savage Hulk was unable to break Surfer's board even though he took his time to do so
In Annihilation: Silver Surfer #4 Ravenous was unable to break it
The people who were shown to be capable of breaking Surfer's board were people that Surfer definitely can't fodderize/stomp whatever
So here's a list of characters who has broken Surfers board and how powerful they were
- The Enslaver( Mrrungo-Mu) (Silver Surfer: The Enslavers #1)
During their entire fight Surfer was being manhandle by the Enslaver and Surfer was only able to defeat him due to trickery and by destroying his ship which contains his power.
The Enslaver and his army were even able to starve Galactus and made Galactus flee to other galaxies
- Durok (Thor #191)
Durok was created by Karnilla at the behest of Loki for no other reason than to destroy Thor. The only way the Silver Surfer could beat him was to transport him to a far distant future just before the "Big Crunch" and leave him there.
- Aegis and Tenebrous (Annihilation#1)
Aegis and Tenebrous were shown to be a match for Galactus
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- Molecule Man
- Morg with Power Cosmic + Waters of Life
Morg with the Power Cosmic + Waters of Life vs the Former Heralds of Galactus
Cable's Telepathy
If Cable was actually fighting to win (He was doing the opposite. As I showed above, Cable was fighting to lose) then he could have brought down Surfer with his TP.In their fight Cable was able to forcefully link his mind with Silver Surfer. After Cable was lobotomized he was also able to not just link his mind with Surfer, he linked everyone's mind, including the Silver Surfer's mind, to everyone else, to show everyone whats in each others hear.
Like I said, If Cable seriously wants to win then he could have brought down Silver Surfer with TP alone. When Hope cured Cable of the T/O Virus he was again able to access his powers but the problem was thatCable basically had a brain-time-cancer which means he can't strain himself and use his powers much despite being free of the viruss and even then Cable was able to bring down the Uncanny Avengers team which included Thor with his TP (Cable and X-Force#10).
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During X-Sanction, Cable, while dying due to the TO Virus, was still able to Psi-blast Red Hulk
Cable reading Irene's mind (Cable and Deadpool #7)
Its impressive because Irene's mind has been made immune to telepathic proving by Alecto in Cable #94. Alecto said that she made it so that Irene's mind will be unreadable even to the worlds most powerful telepath.
Alecto is one of the Norns/Fates. She was described as a being who controls the very nature of reality. Alecto said that she is the second of the three sisters that serves the lord of possibility and probability and that it is their duty to ensure that the multiverse functions properly
Baby Nathan Christopher empowers Apocalypse and Cyclops (X-Factor #68)
Overview
Both the scan of Apocalypse tanking attacks and the scan of Cyclops later destroying Apocalypse are of questionable value because both characters were likely amped by Nathan Summer's energy--1, 2.
Background
The events kick off in X-Factor #65 when Apocalypse reappears to attack X-Factor. He kidnaps Cyclops's son, Nathan, and infects their celestial ship with a virus. To save New York, X-Factor flies into space where they meet the Inhumans. The Inhumans tell them that Apocalypse has attacked them as well, taking over their moon base and capturing many other Inhumans and forcing them into service. Meanwhile, Apocalypse hints at deadly plans to increase his own power at the expense of Nathan and other mutants.
After consulting with one another, the X-Men and Inhumans attack Apocalypse's forces to free Nathan and the captured Inhumans. After an initial defeat, the two teams rally, and Cyclops succeeds in destroying Apocalypse.
Discussion
Apocalypse was likely amped by Nathan's energy when he tanked the combined attacks of the X-Men and Inhumans. Early on, his servants connected Nathan to a machine, and Apocalypse talked about "absorbing [Nathan's] life essence into [his] own". Apocalypse also boasts that Nathan will be the instrument of X-Factor's destruction, implying that he's using Nathan somehow. Cyclops also quickly picks up on the situation and realizes that Apocalypse is reenergizing himself through conduits and targets them. So, it seems that Apocalypse was likely siphoning energy from Nathan somehow.
Similarly, Cyclops was also probably amped when he destroyed Apocalypse. Early on in the battles, an onlooker remarks that Black Bolt's voice seems more powerful than Cyclops's optic blasts, but as mentioned above, Apocalypse easily tanks both Black Bolts' and Cyclops's attacks initially. So, it seems unlikely that Cyclops's normal blasts would do much.
However, during the course of the battle, Jean uses Nathan's power to connect to Cyclops. Cyclops indicates the experience has a profound effect on him and specifically mentions being a gestalt of beings with Jean and Nathan. He then unleashes a blast that accomplishes what no one else could--the destruction of Apocalypse. Afterwards, he explicitly mentions that Nathan gave him power. So, given that Cyclops's blasts were noticeably weaker than Black Bolt, who could do nothing to Apocalypse, and the reference to Nathan's energy, it seems highly likely that Cyclops also was amped by Nathan.
TLDR: Apocalypse, pumped with baby Nathan's power and lifeforce fodderizes both the X-men and Inhumans, tanked Black Bolt's scream and Cyclop's beam without trouble. Cyclops and Jean then formed a link with baby Nathan to use his powers which allowed Cyclops to destroy Apocalypse with a single blast.
Askani/Apocalypse Prophecy
Cable was destined to destroy Apocalypse according to a prophecy received by Mother Askani (Racehl Summers). This is the reason why the Clan Askani took Baby Nathan in the future.
Also, before anyone questions if Rachel's/Mother Askani's is a reliable narrator and say that Rachel is just a "noob telepath" it has been stated and shown many times that Mother Askani is much more powerful than Rachel
Cable #23
In addition, Jean said that Mother Askani, who is currently comatose and dying, is more powerful than her (Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix #4)
Rachel was given Cable's/Dayspring prophecy whens he was not a "noob telepath" but when she was the Phoenix. It even seems like the Phoenix itself revived Rachel to help fulfill this prophecy
(X-Men: Phoenix #2)
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As shown above, Mother Askani, has a fraction of the phoenix force and can interact with the past, present and future versions of herself, including with the Rachel who have the Phoenix Force.
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Not to mention that Mother Askani/Rachel is the leader of Clan Askani. The Askani guards the timeline and can see the past, present,future and alternate timelines. It was was stated that the Askani was time spanning and with its disciples capable of existsing outside of time (The Further Adeventures of Cyclops and Phoenix#4) . Mother Askani's essence exists as long as the Askani exists (X-Force 2019 #9).
Anyway, there's a big difference between Mother Askani and Rachel. There's no reason to think that Mother Askani is not a valid authority and what she said shouldn't just be thrown aside as some rambling of an old religious nut or of a noob telepath
Mother Askani said that Cable is more powerful than her or any telepath combined, could extinguish a star with less than conscious effort and once his powers developed, will have no peer throughout the universe
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In the future, Apocalypse has become much more powerful and is burning his bodies faster and faster (The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix #1). The reason why Apocalypse was searching for Nathan was because he is the only one with the capacity to hosts his power without burning up.
(The Adventures of Cylops and Phoenix#4)
"Am I prepared to use the young boy as the final vessel for my near infinite power"
In the Search for Cyclops#4 Cable stabbed Apocalypse with his Psimitar which killed Apocalypse and caused his essence and spirit to disperse
Cable's genetics and essence
During the "Enema of the State" story arc (Cable and Deadpool#16-18), Cable fought an evil entity (The Skornn) and ended up missing. Although everyone presumed Cable to be dead, Deadpool ironically believes him still alive and asks Forge to create a device in order to track Cable down. With Siryn and Cannonball, Deadpool begins jumping from alternate earth to alternate earth finding many versions of Cable, from a Horseman of Apocalypse to an Utopian ruler.
Afte Cable
In the end it was explained that the worlds Deadpool passed through were changed because of Cable's essence passing through them.
Cable and Deadpool #18
Cable and Deadpool#16
He finally reaches the real Cable, except that he is a baby and under the care of Mr. Sinister. When Deadpool finally grabs Cable, he unsuccessfully attempts to teleport out of the dimension, only to be impaled by Sinister. Deadpool, Cannonball, and Siryn are unaware that they are back in the regular Marvel universe, but that the world around them has been transformed thanks to the interference of the Scarlet Witch (House of M).
Deadpool and Cable were in "transit" when House of M was undone so they were not affected by the changes. Cable came back still an infant but due to HoM Sinister injecting him with Deadpool's gene he was growing at a rapid pace. The problem was that his mind was growing faster than his body and his metabolism was in overdrive which means he will lost his powers eventually.
Anyway, in HoM reality, Cable was created by Sinister through genetic engineering
Sinister described him as the representation of genetic potential of all mutants and has the power all mutants could ever hope to achieve
Cable and Deadpool #17
Cable and Deadpool #16
Cable and Deadpool #16
In HoM Sinister was raising the infant Cable to the savior of the world for his plans
Cable and Deadpool #18
The Fates
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In Cable #85 a being whos likely one of the Fates/Norns appeared to Irene Merryweather, Cable's friend and chronicler. She introduced herself as Alecto and warned Irene about trusting Cable's mentor Blaquesmith
Alecto said that the prophecy of Cable defeating Apocalypse is not the end of the prophecy but is merely just the start of Cable's destiny. Alecto told Irene that she must learn the truth about Cable's destiny and why he is called the Chosen One
In the next issue (Cable#86) we were shown that the Fates were observing Cable's fight against Gaunt in order to free Rachel. The Fates said that the Tree will end if Cable lost
The Fates returned again in Cable#89, now in the form of three children playing outside of Cable's headquarters.
In Cable#94 Alecto appeared again. She was described as a being who controls the very nature of reality. Here Alecto said that she is the second of the three sisters that serves the lord of possibility and probability and that it is their duty to ensure that the multiverse functions properly. She explained that they are the caretakers of Creation and that the reason why they care so much about Cable's destiny is because Cable is necessary to the stability of the multiverse due to him being a nexus of time and space
"You're manipulating Cable to act the way you want?" "To act the way he must to insure stability in the multiverse. Nathans Summers is a Nexus of Time and Space"
Savior Cable is not Full Potential Cable
"Savior" Cable, the one that fought Surfer in Burnt Offerings, is not "full potential" Cable.Cable's power was still expanding until the point of him being lobotomized. Mother Askani said that Cable's full potential will be unlocked one day when he gets rid of the TO virus and when his mind and body becomes one
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"Full Potential Cable" is a prophecy that is still not fulfilled.
Even though he grew powerful during Soldier X and Burnt Offering its likely not Cables full potential. Mother Askani said that Cable's body and mind will be as one when he reaches his full potential and this is definitely not the case with Cable in Soldier X/Burnt Offering, its been constantly stated that Cable's body has become his enemy and that his ever growing will kill him or eventually cause him to lose control (which was why he planned to depower himself and commit suicide).
It was revealed that Cable's TO did not go away, its just that due to the increase of his powers it got easier and easier to manage
In Soldier X#12 Cable revealed that he still use 20% of his power to contain the TO
In Cable and Deadpool#3 Cable confirmed that his TO returned but controlling it is now just an afterthought. Cable also said that the continued expansion of his powers is not something that his body can withstand
If we believe Mother Askani then he won't reach his full potential until his body and mind becomes one or else he will just burn out like what was happening to him in Cable and Deadpool vol 1.
Conclusions
- Silver Surfer did not stomp Savior Cable. Everything that happened in the Burnt Offering storyline was set into motion by Cable himself.
- Cable should definitely be higher than High 6-C.
- Savior Cable is not Full Potential Cable.
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