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i made a sandbox for agatha harkness here
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i’m a little icky with how her AP section is really long and i feel like some of the wordings for the justifications are really bad but idk how i could reword those so i just need advice on if its good enough or if there should be changes made.
edit: with the help of @Hixkaryana, i made some changes to the wording of the justifications:
Ebony
more context on her justifications for her 1-A rating:
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i’m a little icky with how her AP section is really long and i feel like some of the wordings for the justifications are really bad but idk how i could reword those so i just need advice on if its good enough or if there should be changes made.
edit: with the help of @Hixkaryana, i made some changes to the wording of the justifications:
Contended with the Scarlet Witch across multiple dimensions, though Wanda was weakened by containing Chthon, and ultimately prevailed, Agatha later revealed that her defeat had been deliberately planned.
With the blade she used to stab Korrosion, she absorbed Valtorr’s power from her—who surpassed Valtorr by accumulating power over the years, ultimately reducing him to a lifeless husk. Valtorr, a Splinter Realm lord and a member of the Octessence is comparable to Cytorrak, whose magical power enabled the Juggernaut to wrestle with Nightmare in the Dream Dimension. She then tore Chthon’s heart from his weakened, mangled body. After forcibly sending Clea to the Astral Plane, she briefly battled her as an equal before ultimately subduing her. Using Chthon’s heart as a conduit in her ritual, she was generating the power to recreate the Darkhold and was successful, although it manifested as a living being)
With the blade she used to stab Korrosion, she absorbed Valtorr’s power from her—who surpassed Valtorr by accumulating power over the years, ultimately reducing him to a lifeless husk. Valtorr, a Splinter Realm lord and a member of the Octessence is comparable to Cytorrak, whose magical power enabled the Juggernaut to wrestle with Nightmare in the Dream Dimension. She then tore Chthon’s heart from his weakened, mangled body. After forcibly sending Clea to the Astral Plane, she briefly battled her as an equal before ultimately subduing her. Using Chthon’s heart as a conduit in her ritual, she was generating the power to recreate the Darkhold and was successful, although it manifested as a living being)
Contended with the Scarlet Witch across multiple dimensions, albeit it was clarified that Wanda was weakened due to containing Chthon at the moment, and she was also eventually outmatched by Wanda in the end. However, that was not the case as it was also stated by Agatha that she planned her own defeat.
Should be superior to her familiar, Ebony, who was capable of fighting Mephisto off-panel, long enough to give the Avengers and Agatha Harkness time to escape, and was being described slashing Mephisto down to ribbons until he gained the upper-hand over her. Afterwards, Ebony quickly recovered and began attacking him again. Along with Natalya and Wanda Maximoff, she defeated the abstract being Chaos, who is said to be equal to Eternity. With the blade she used to stab Korrosion, she absorbed Korrosion’s power, who became more powerful than Valtorr through accumulating his power for years and then left him as a lifeless husk, with Valtorr being a Splinter Realm lord and a member of the Octessence comparable to Cytorrak, whose magical powers allowed the Juggernaut to wrestle with Nightmare in the Dream Dimension. Ripped out Chthon’s heart from his weakened and mangled body. After she forcefully sent Clea to the Astral Plane, she briefly fought and matched her, and then managed to subdue her. Using Chthon’s heart as a conduit in her ritual, she was generating the power to recreate the Darkhold and was successful, although it manifested as a living being
Should be superior to her familiar, Ebony, who was capable of fighting Mephisto off-panel, long enough to give the Avengers and Agatha Harkness time to escape, and was being described slashing Mephisto down to ribbons until he gained the upper-hand over her. Afterwards, Ebony quickly recovered and began attacking him again. Along with Natalya and Wanda Maximoff, she defeated the abstract being Chaos, who is said to be equal to Eternity. With the blade she used to stab Korrosion, she absorbed Korrosion’s power, who became more powerful than Valtorr through accumulating his power for years and then left him as a lifeless husk, with Valtorr being a Splinter Realm lord and a member of the Octessence comparable to Cytorrak, whose magical powers allowed the Juggernaut to wrestle with Nightmare in the Dream Dimension. Ripped out Chthon’s heart from his weakened and mangled body. After she forcefully sent Clea to the Astral Plane, she briefly fought and matched her, and then managed to subdue her. Using Chthon’s heart as a conduit in her ritual, she was generating the power to recreate the Darkhold and was successful, although it manifested as a living being
Ebony
also i was planning to put her familiar Ebony as a part of her standard equipment (or not since she’s an animal and not a weapon) but i wasnt sure about that since in Marvel Voice’s Infinity Comic #96, Agatha gave Ebony away n she isn’t rlly seen with her cat anymore in recent comic appearances so i put her in her optional equipment
more context on her justifications for her 1-A rating:
(Should be superior to her familiar, Ebony, who was capable of fighting Mephisto off-panel, long enough to give the Avengers and Agatha Harkness time to escape, and was being described slashing Mephisto down to ribbons until he gained the upper-hand over her. Afterwards, Ebony quickly recovered and began attacking him again): i wrote that she should be superior to Ebony since it was stated by Agatha panels after that Ebony fighting Mephisto was actually her doing, however she also said that she does not have the power to defeat Mephisto, but since he reabsorbed Wanda’s twins that were supposedly shards of him, she took advantage of the fact that Wanda’s twins were still bound by Wanda’s magic, so by erasing Wanda’s memories of them, she basically dispersed Mephisto or broke him (something like that)
Source: West Coast Avengers Vol 2 #52
Source: West Coast Avengers Vol 2 #52
(Ripped out Chthon’s heart from his weakened and mangled body - Scarlet Witch Annual (2023) Vol 1 #1): I put this for her 1-A due to her basically affecting Chthon (although he was knocked out and torn apart since Darkhold Omega), with him being an Elder God too. in the Scarlet Witch 2023 annual, Agatha implied that the destruction that Wanda would face as a result of her losing control over him would be unlike anything Wanda has done before - Scarlet Witch Annual (2023) Vol 1 #1, which Wanda was also responsible for the Chaos Wave that wreaked havoc across the multiverse in House of M. The Elder Gods are also 1-A based on what Ultima has commented on them in the Revising Abstracts Part 2.5 thread (which occurred before marvel’s High 1-A got downgraded to 1-A).
sooo i’m not trying to scale Agatha to Chthon and the Elder Gods based on what she did to him, but rather i picked that out since the scan would be fitting for her Outerverse level rating alongside the other Outerverse level feats she demonstrated.
sooo i’m not trying to scale Agatha to Chthon and the Elder Gods based on what she did to him, but rather i picked that out since the scan would be fitting for her Outerverse level rating alongside the other Outerverse level feats she demonstrated.
(With the blade she used to stab Korrosion, she absorbed Korrosion’s power, who became more powerful than Valtorr through accumulating his power for years and then left him as a lifeless husk, with Valtorr being a Splinter Realm lord and a member of the Octessence comparable to Cytorrak, whose magical powers allowed the Juggernaut to wrestle with Nightmare in the Dream Dimension): this feat is 1-A due to her taking Valtorr’s powers since Valtorr himself is a deity that rules over his dimension, the Veils of Valtorr, which is located in the Splinter Realms/Archipelago of Anguish and Redemption, indexed alongside the Dark Dimension and the Dream Dimension. Based on that, he should be pretty close to Nightmare, which is why Agatha would have 1-A for taking Valtorr’s powers from Korrosion. i would like to note she didn’t take all of Korrosion’s powers, only Valtorr’s powers from her as Korrosion was still alive and is still in the Veils of Valtorr as shown in Spider-Man Annual Vol 4 #1. I also wrote that he is comparable to Cytorrak since both of them are members of the Octessence, and in the scan used, Valtorr and Cytorrak, along with other mystical entities like the Vishanti were fighting each other over having Doctor Strange for themselves.
Sources:
“Absorbed Korrosion’s power” - Midnight Suns Vol 1 #5
“Left him as a lifeless husk” - Midnight Suns Vol 1 #4
“Member of the Octessence” - Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z #8
“Comparable to Cytorrak” - Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme #49
“wrestle with Nightmare in the Dream Dimension” - Doctor Strange #180
“Splinter Realms/Archipelago of Anguish and Redemption” - Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z Vol 1 12 #2: Mystic Dimensions - From the Journals of Ian McNee
Sources:
“Absorbed Korrosion’s power” - Midnight Suns Vol 1 #5
“Left him as a lifeless husk” - Midnight Suns Vol 1 #4
“Member of the Octessence” - Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z #8
“Comparable to Cytorrak” - Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme #49
“wrestle with Nightmare in the Dream Dimension” - Doctor Strange #180
“Splinter Realms/Archipelago of Anguish and Redemption” - Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z Vol 1 12 #2: Mystic Dimensions - From the Journals of Ian McNee
(Using Chthon’s heart as a conduit in her ritual, she was generating the power to recreate the Darkhold and was successful, although it manifested as a living being): This is 1-A since the Darkhold itself scales to 1-A in potency according to the Marvel Magic page.
Sources of scans used: “Using Chthon’s heart as a conduit in her ritual” - Spider-Man Annual Vol 4 #1
“Recreate the Darkhold/Although it manifested as a living being” - Avengers Annual Vol 5 #1
Sources of scans used: “Using Chthon’s heart as a conduit in her ritual” - Spider-Man Annual Vol 4 #1
“Recreate the Darkhold/Although it manifested as a living being” - Avengers Annual Vol 5 #1
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