Martial Peak Major Upgrade and other Additions

[BreezeHM]

So in the Previous CRT, The Myriad Grand Dao were accepted to be Low 1-A. But I believe we can reach a little higher and get 1-A for the Universe Furnace.


The Universe Furnace

The Universe Furnace resides in Chaos, existing beyond the Multiverse, and beyond the influence of the Heavens (Multiverse). The Universe Furnace takes in Primordial Chaos which splits into Yin and Yang, which then divides into the Five Elements, which in turn rises into the Myraid Grand Daos in existence. The Universe Furnace Transcends the Myriad Grand Daos, Universe Worlds and Celestial Celestial Phenomenon as they all appear as insignificant grains of sand and ordinary gravel from it's pressure.

So the Universe Furnace is aspatial and atemporal since it existed before and transcends the Myriad Grand Dao that defines all of existence. In other words, The Universe Furnace is a void of nothingness that transcends the Low 1-A concepts that are the source and define everything in existence, placing it at 1-A.

Now let's get into who'll scale.

• Mu is the Primary scaler as, she completely replicated the Universe Furnace's transcendence nature over the everything.
• Ink scales above Mu due to being the most powerful existence in Martial Peak (prior to WC Yang Kai)
• Zhang Ruo Xi as Heaven's Order can fight on par, although somewhat weaker.
• Yang Kai (Ninth Rank) Fought against and eventually defeated Ink.
• Sun's Burning Shine and Moon's Nether Glimmer will scale, since they're originally apart of the First Light which serves as the Antithesis to the Primordial Darkness that is Ink.
• Giant Spiritual Gods can protect themselves from the power of Sun's Burning Shine and Moon's Nether Glimmer.

Spoiler: Character Additions

Yang Kai (Ninth Rank)

• Limited Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2: Aspect 2 & 5 [Myriad Grand Dao]; Yang Kai's Space-Time River has evolved into a Chaos River). The reason why its limited is because its his Space-Time River and not him itself that is Nonexistent. And this applies into the next ability that will be listed.
• Transduality (Type 2), Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2: Aspects 1, 2, 3 & 5 [Myriad Grand Dao]; Absorbed the Chaos River into his own body, merging with it)
• Madness Manipulation (Type 3; People who sense the Profound Source Gate go mad)

Chaos Spirit King

• Should get Aspect Type 5 on his Nonexistent Physiology for [Daos], since the Chaos Spirit King is just an accumulation of Grand Daos.

Spoiler: Cultivator Physiology

Cultivator Physiology

High-Mid

• Information Manipulation (Type 2; At the core of every array, there is an existing foundational piece that allows it to function called a Chart. A blueprint that is drawn by the Master that allows the array to function. Altering the Chart changes the properties of the array itself. Cultivators are capable of destroying Space Arrays/Spirit Arrays, which would include the Chart that serves as its core) This is what a Space Array Looks like.
• Information Manipulation (Type 2; World Principles are the fundamental laws and building blocks of everything that exists. Information like the True Alchemic Way and Spirit Arrays are included in World Principles) The reason for this being they have Grand Daos, and all Grand Daos have their own Principles.

There's two explanations here in case the second one, doesn't qualify.

Mid-High

• Explosion Manipulation (Can explode beings with a glare)
• Resistance to Explosion Manipulation as they should resist the exploding with a glare
• Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) Should be added since it's already on the page that they can resist Chaos
• Resistance to Madness Manipulation (Type 3; Open Heaven Cultivators can sense the Profound gate without turning mad)

Spoiler: Transduality

Transduality

Transduality (Type 2 [Yin and Yang]; Sun's Burning Shine and Moon's Nether Glimmer were split off from the First Light as components of Yin and Yang. The Grand Dao of Yin and the Grand Dao of Yang can be expressed as a single Grand Dao, just as much as it could be two separate Grand Daos. The Grand Dao of Yin and Yang divides into the Five Elements, which then gives rise to the Myraid Grand Daos. Cultivators use the Daos of Yin and Yang and the Five Elements as the foundation of their Dao Seal to promote to the Open Heaven Realm. The Myriad Grand Daos are the source of everything in the World (Daos are independent of what they govern accepted in this crt))

With this it can be said the Grand Dao of Yin and Yang encompasses all Grand Daos as a singular state. The Duality of Light and Darkness is a duality of higher order since it contains the Yin and Yang, and Chaos would also be on the same level.

Agree: @Thinnapat_butsiri, @GarrixianXD, @DoorElemental
Neutral: @Ihsjihahxu
Disagree: @Vietthai96 (Info Type 2), @Ihsjihahxu (Info Type 2)

 

[Thinnapat_butsiri]

I agree

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

Can you tell me why you got TD2?
Please explain it to me.

 

[BreezeHM]

Can you tell me why you got TD2?
Please explain it to me.

The Yin Yang Dao exists in a state encompassing everything as one. While not being bound by them because of their independence. If you want to read the full thing about their independence it'd be in this thread.

 

[Vietthai96]

Disagree, cause i still not yet used to seeing Low 1-A MP

• Information Manipulation (Type 2; At the core of every array, there is an existing foundational piece that allows it to function called a Chart. A blueprint that is drawn by the Master that allows the array to function. Altering the Chart changes the properties of the array itself. Cultivators are capable of destroying Space Arrays/Spirit Arrays, which would include the Chart that serves as its core) This is what a Space Array Looks like.
• Information Manipulation (Type 2; World Principles are the fundamental laws and building blocks of everything that exists. Information like the True Alchemic Way and Spirit Arrays are included in World Principles) The reason for this being they have Grand Daos, and all Grand Daos have their own Principles

Wtf?, why two Info 2?. Also this isn't Info 2, at least to me

 

[BreezeHM]

Disagree, cause i still not yet used to seeing Low 1-A MP

Wtf?, why two Info 2?. Also this isn't Info 2, at least to me

Because the latter will give resistance to Info Type 2, while the prior just gives interaction. In the case that one of them isn't accepted.

The second one may be wank, but the first one is "the mechanism behind mundane magical abilities." Can you explain?

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

Disagree

I agree with vietthai

I don't see how it will get to infor 2

But other I'm neutral.

 

[GarrixianXD]

I'm fine with the hax abilities additions.

As for 1-A, here's the thing:

Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...

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While the evidence you provided does indeed give basis to a 1-A cosmology, it's quite the scaling that's heavily in question. 1-A does not conventionally scale to other tiers, you cannot reach 1-A by fighting on par or affecting a supposedly 1-A character alike. Instead, if that non 1-A character fought the 1-A character with their own power, then it would rather downgrade the 1-A character from being 1-A. 1-A is a tier with a barrier that cannot be quantitatively stacked up to be accessed; in order to bypass the 1-A barrier, you need a character who has their power amplified by a 1-A character or power source, in order for them to qualitatively ascend beyond the 1-A barrier.

Judging by how you worded this scaling section:

• Mu is the Primary scaler as, she completely replicated the Universe Furnace's transcendence nature over the everything.
• Ink scales above Mu due to being the most powerful existence in Martial Peak (prior to WC Yang Kai)
• Zhang Ruo Xi as Heaven's Order can fight on par, although somewhat weaker.
• Yang Kai (Ninth Rank) Fought against and eventually defeated Ink.
• Sun's Burning Shine and Moon's Nether Glimmer will scale, since they're originally apart of the First Light which serves as the Antithesis to the Primordial Darkness that is Ink.
• Giant Spiritual Gods can protect themselves from the power of Sun's Burning Shine and Moon's Nether Glimmer.

Zhang Ruo Xi being able to fight on par with the Open Heaven Cultivators would be a 1-A disqualifier unless there are showings he managed to fight them through a 1-A source of power, or their powers come from a 1-A source which can give them the potential to become 1-A. Yang Kai defeating Ink would disqualify the entire 1-A scaling chain from Ink, unless likewise he had been amplified with a source of 1-A power. If you can provide any evidence of Yang Kai and Zhang Ruo Xi having their powers be from a 1-A source that can allow them to fight against those supposedly 1-A characters, then the 1-A scaling chain will be completely fine.

 

[BreezeHM]

Zhang Ruo Xi being able to fight on par with the Open Heaven Cultivators would be a 1-A disqualifier unless there are showings he managed to fight them through a 1-A source of power, or their powers come from a 1-A source which can give them the potential to become 1-A.

She doesn't fight against Open Heaven Cultivators, they're fodder, and explained below.

Yang Kai defeating Ink would disqualify the entire 1-A scaling chain from Ink, unless likewise he had been amplified with a source of 1-A power.

He was amplified by Mu's Space-Time River.

If you can provide any evidence of Yang Kai and Zhang Ruo Xi having their powers be from a 1-A source that can allow them to fight against those supposedly 1-A characters, then the 1-A scaling chain will be completely fine.

Zhang Ruo Xi, absorbed the powers of SBS And MNG so she was empowered by them.

 

[GarrixianXD]

She doesn't fight against Open Heaven Cultivators, they're fodder, and explained below.

He was amplified by Mu's Space-Time River.

Zhang Ruo Xi, absorbed the powers of SBS And MNG so she was empowered by them.

Nice then; if there aren't going to be any other anti-feats presented, I'd be mostly fine. Also, the Myriad Grand Dao can be a 1-A source of power if its nature correlates with the Universe Furnace. Alike the Honkai is a 1-A+ source of power, because its directly derived from Imaginary domains.

 

[Vietthai96]

Blueprint, foundation array of something isn't automatically mean it is information, cause it could be simply essence, or concept. Idk where this chain of logic came from, of course blueprint can mean information but that require evidences that this "blueprint" is equipvalent to information in case the verse not namedrop information on our face. So in this case, it isn't enough to guarantee information hax, cause fundamental blueprint, even if it for space or universe can mean a lot of thing and could be fit into other haxes as well, so to me, hyperspecific it down to info hax is wrong

For the second evidence, True Alchemic Way can be qualified, what it can do again?, World Principle is just Law hax and somewhat Concept hax. Since i disagree with Array thing i will not mention it, True Alchemic Way from the scan you posted for now is qualify as Info type 1, since type 2 require the info can impact reality in some way. It include in World Principle do not make it type 2, as a power can exercise info type 1 ability do not necessary make the power being type 2

 

[DoorElemental]

Agree with 1A and td2

 

[BreezeHM]

Blueprint, foundation array of something isn't automatically mean it is information, cause it could be simply essence, or concept. Idk where this chain of logic came from, of course blueprint can mean information but that require evidences that this "blueprint" is equipvalent to information in case the verse not namedrop information on our face. So in this case, it isn't enough to guarantee information hax, cause fundamental blueprint, even if it for space or universe can mean a lot of thing and could be fit into other haxes as well, so to me, hyperspecific it down to info hax is wrong

A blueprint is a design plan/detailed plan. The Chart is the structured information that necessary for the array to function, much like how a program's source code dictates its behavior. The Chart is the foundation to the array's functionality. This aligns with the idea that information is the underlying framework enabling systems to operate, just as a DNA sequence is the informational blueprint for biological life. Altering the Chart leads to changes in the array's properties. This is akin to modifying information within a system to alter its output or behavior.

It can't be a concept since a concept emphasizes the ideas behind the structure and not the theoretical/practical foundation of it.
It can't be an essence since it being an essence would describe the Chart as a metaphysical representation of the array’s true form/soul. Essences already exist in the verse as well, and they're used as containers like for the Soul.
So it makes the most sense for it to be Information

For the second evidence, True Alchemic Way can be qualified, what it can do again?, World Principle is just Law hax and somewhat Concept hax. Since i disagree with Array thing i will not mention it, True Alchemic Way from the scan you posted for now is qualify as Info type 1, since type 2 require the info can impact reality in some way. It include in World Principle do not make it type 2, as a power can exercise info type 1 ability do not necessary make the power being type 2

The True Alchemic Way contains all Information related to Alchemy, even the knowledge from various people who have practiced Alchemy.

And after a while, some inexplicable information jumped out.
The True Alchemic Way!
After slowly reviewing for a while, Yang Kai was surprised to find that this information was all somehow related to Alchemy. No Secret Arts, no Martial Skills, but all about how to practice Alchemy and refining good pills.
This True Alchemic Method wasn’t just a guide on how to perform Alchemy, however; it also contained many formulas for different pills, as well as the experiences of countless Alchemy Grandmasters. Many of their unique methods and insights into Alchemy were also documented. It was definitely a Heaven class treasure.

It also defines what Alchemy is as it corresponds to the Dao of Alchemy, and we already know Daos are the source of what they represent.

 

[GarrixianXD]

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