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Mario (Mario Galaxy) Vs. Son Goku

Mario wins a close fight I'd say due to having enough speed to keep up and fight and tanking several attacks from Bowser who is potentially Universe Level. The items kind of make it a stomp with the Star and stuff making him completely invincible
 
Pikachu942 said:
Mario wins a close fight I'd say due to having enough speed to keep up and fight and tanking several attacks from Bowser who is potentially Universe Level. The items kind of make it a stomp with the Star and stuff making him completely invincible
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Invincibility = Game mechanic
 
Mario is faster than Goku? Since when? Like, I know he's got MFTL reactions, but doesn't Goku?

Galaxy Mario might win due to greater DC and durability (though that's likely gonna change in the next, like, two DBS episodes), but sure as heck not speed.

Mario beating Goku...I wanna believe this, but I'm not sure. Doesn't beating Goku make beating Sonic a piece of cake?
 
Pikachu942 said:
No because Sonic has Darkspine Sonic with Universe Level reality warping.
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Can't he only take that form in the storybook? Giving him the World Rings would be like giving Mario the Pure Hearts, which are also universal. In fact, they'd likely nerf the heck out of Darkspine Sonic just like they did with Super Dimentio.
 
He needs the Launch Star to do that, though. I know his reactions scale to that still, but don't Goku's reactions also scale to MFTL characters?
 
WarriorWare said:
Mario is faster than Goku? Since when? Like, I know he's got MFTL reactions, but doesn't Goku?
Galaxy Mario might win due to greater DC and durability (though that's likely gonna change in the next, like, two DBS episodes), but sure as heck not speed.

Mario beating Goku...I wanna believe this, but I'm not sure. Doesn't beating Goku make beating Sonic a piece of cake?
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He doesn't even have those. The Launch Stars literally send him flying to his destination.
 
I know a speed feat when I see one, Davy. Mario can still stick the landing and gather Star Bits while flying across galaxies, and was able to react to Bowser's meteors, which tagged the blatantly MFTL Starship Mario.
 
That's because you aim the Launch Star and it aims to take you there. Plus the Launch Star is magical in nature, as in its magic sends you to the place where you need, not Mario himself. These places aren't even as big as full-blown galaxies, so that makes them even less credible.
 
Davy0 said:
That's because you aim the Launch Star and it aims to take you there. Plus the Launch Star is magical in nature, as in its magic sends you to the place where you need, not Mario himself. These places aren't even as big as full-blown galaxies, so that makes them even less credible.
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You don't "aim" the Launch Star. The Luma decides where the Launch Stars take you, and even then, even if Mario knew exactly where he was going, he wouldn't be able to see a thing while going that fast, and could not tell when he's about to reach his destination and, ergo, could not stick the landing or gather Star Bits.

You have literally no proof that the galaxies are smaller than real ones.
 
Again, it's magic, it could increase his reactions for that limited amount of time so that he could land. Whether the Luma's do it or not, it's still magical in nature, it has nothing to do with Mario's own abilities. For example, the fact that Mario can fly in the first place from the Launch Star is proof enough that it is not of his own power.
 
What the heck?! You're pulling assumptions out of your butt now. Of course the flying itself is not Mario's own power, but Mario's reactions still scale, and you're completely ignoring the meteors that tagged Starship Mario.

In VS debates, we don't have room for "maybe." We can't make assumptions like that, especially not to lowball a character. You can't just say "it's magic so it doesn't count." That's ridiculous. Heck, I don't even remember the Lumas referring to themselves as magical.

I take it you're not overly fond of Ashley & Red's page.
 
Assumptions would have no weight. We can say ass - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNe11_YdOhI - There's a trail of sparkling energy whenever he moves.

Starship Mario was made for space travel though, so you can't use that.

It does count, towards him using the Launch Stars just not to his own physical feats.

I could care less about Ashley & Red, her powers are from a song and that's a fallacy in itself.
 
Ashley's powers are not from a song, or at least not the ones used for her page. The speed feat is shown on-screen: flying to the moon in four seconds, straight up, boom, before your very eyes. Her page refers solely to feats actually shown to the player, hence "Much higher if Ashley's Song is to be taken literally."

I know I can say ass, I just prefer not to. Also, that trail only appears AFTER Mario has used the Launch Star at least once, and even then it only appears for the Launch Stars within the level rather than the ones that are used to travel from galaxy to galaxy.

How does Starship Mario being made for space travel magically make it not MFTL? That makes negative sense.

The Launch Star is a reaction feat, not a physical one. I'm not calculating KE here.

Also, may I just make it clear that I was doubting a speed advantage as well? Currently, Mario's DC and durability are higher than Goku's gosh I can't believe I'm saying that, not his speed.
 
Yes, but that's by her own magic.

Mario literally uses a "vehicle" to get to wher ehe needs to go.

Can Mario traverse that speed without the Starship power-up. I never said it didn't, I'm saying again, it's not by his own physical feats.

You said said him "sticking the landing" was because of his own physical reflexes, you may want to read up on what reactions and reflexes are, if it wasn't by a magical power-up he shouldn't be capable of reflexively "stick" any landing, he should splat on the ground. But that doesn't matter because again, I just showed why it should be assumed to be magical.
 
You don't have to actually be able to go a certain speed to react at that speed. Ashley, too, uses a vehicle magical in nature to go so fast: Red. However, her reflexes scale because she's the one steering the thing, and stuck the landing on the moon.

There is no reason to assume that the Launch Star temporarily increases Mario's reaction speed. That makes literally no sense. It's like assuming that every decent feat Goku has going for him was just Shenron deciding he should be that strong for a few minutes or something and that rock Krillin threw at him is where the true consistencies lie.

...the Starship isn't a power-up. Hello? It's a MFTL vehicle created by the Lumas that Bowser's meteors were able to tag. You know who they didn't tag? Mario himself.
 
OK. But that's her equipment though. That's her main piece of transportation. Launch Star can't be carried and used by Mario wherever he wishes, so I really don't care about Ashley and Red.

Once again, there was a trail of sparkling energy behind Mario as he flew. The Magic was propelling him towards the "planets" he was supposed to land on. Goku is using his own power to propel himself and react, your argument is invalid. Again.

Ah. OK. Then it's the same principle as Kirby. He still doesn't get the reactions. Phew, that was easy.
 
I know Mario's not going that fast based on his own power. I've never argued that. However, there's no implication that the magic increases Mario's reaction speed. He's not steering anything, I know that. But if he didn't have MFTL reactions, like you said, he wouldn't stick the landing. He'd just go splat on whatever planet he's smacked into.

Kirby's reactions scale to the Warp Star, hello? Never mind that both Mario and Kirby scale to FTL characters anyway: Grand Star'd Bowser and Meta Knight.
 
He doesn't do that naturally, it's through magic, the star dust of Lumas.

Then he's FTL. Kirby is FTL because of the monsters he fights not because of his reactions on the Warp Star.
 
No. Because again, The flight takes him to the place he needs to go, their is a trail of star dust behind him as he travels, it means that either he's being guided or that it's not of his own power.
 
It does not mean he is being guided, it means he is being propelled. Nothing is helping him stick the landing.

We are going in circles.
 
You're not gonna win this. More evidence shows that Mario had increased reflexes from being propelled from the Launch Star than not. That's why it was stated that he travels at MFTL flight speeds. Even with the crap on Bowser who was supposed to be traveling far faster than Mario in SMG2, he was slow enough that even the "slower moving" Mario could still hit him and couldn't travel quickly enough to catch up to him in a short span of time. Which leads one to believe that Mario was already physical superior to a guy who had "increased" physical potential when using the Grand Star. Blame the inconsistencies on Marioverse.
 
What evidence is there that Mario's reflexes are suddenly increased when he's using the Launch Star, and then go back to "normal" when he lands? You know the burden of proof for an assumption like that is on you, right?
 
Still doesn't mean anything. I already showed my proof with the Magical trail of Star Dust. I'm good.
 
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