Maou Gakuin Speed Revision

[Tatsumi504]

Overall Speed​

A bunch of characters currently scale or will eventually be scaled to speeds they have no business scaling to. The fault lies with the very concept of powerscaling ignoring certain nuances in a story.
To attain a speed tier, you simply have to be shown/stated to keep up or be comparable with another character in that tier but as an avid consumer of this particular fiction, I can no longer abide wholly by those standards. It has come to my attention that the characters do not engage each other in combat at their absolute fastest speed all the time. This can easily be grasped from these.

• Despite being blitzed occasionally, Lay keeps up with Shin consistently
• Grysilis, resident MG fraud fr strip him of that king title, is overjoyed at being able to move at the speed of light
• Deidrich is stated to be slower than Arcana while she's using the order of light
• Arcana uses the order of light to try to overwhelm some opponents

We are unable to utilize "Varies" ratings without sufficient in verse reasons for it. As a reader I can easily read into the scenario to know when a character is holding back but I'm unable to represent it properly in the profiles which ends up inflating the stats of other characters, I also can't have character B scaling to A but A is FTL and B is Sub-Rel+. In light of this, I intend to implement a kind of speed cap for most character's keys that fall between Volumes 1-6. These volumes were specifically chosen because that's where majority of these discrepancies are observed and the author basically raises the power cliffing to disgusting levels going forward.

The proposals​

As I've already done with the last few profiles created for the verse, I've been using a "x-tier up to y-tier" format when it comes to the speed section with the former indicating a base/lower end speed value they operate on and the latter indicating the peak speed they're capable of attaining on occasion or should they choose to.
This only applies to the mid tier characters and above in the verse for the reason that there isn't a variety of speed ratings that'll cause conflicts in the scaling for the lower tier characters and also, any discrepancy is covered by the nature in which a battle takes place among others.
The lower end for the mid tiers have already been discussed and finalized in previous revision threads that being the speed of lightning and the verse's Sub-Rel+ calc for those who can outrun it.

• Zombie Zepes reacts to lightning
• Lay swings at lightning speed, dodges and runs alongside lightning
• Shin catches Gennul who runs at lightning speed
• Shin cuts down each bolt of lightning in several hundred before any can reach him
• Nutra Du Hiana outpaces lightning

As can be seen from the above examples, reacting to, outpacing lightning is extremely common with some being done as far back as vol 1 in the series and with that said, I have the following proposals:

• Most characters be capped at or below the Speed of Light or Faster Than Light. This is because the God governing the order of light is light itself and certain characters have shown to be faster.
• To scale to someone, you need to be shown overwhelming them (not just with power), stated to be faster than them or the person has to be implied/stated to be moving at their fastest speed as shown here
• The use of "up to" in the speed ratings, can't have one profile at FTL and another scaling to them is Sub-Rel+.

Outliers​

One might ask why the higher speed feats aren't tagged as outliers, the reason is because they're not. The occasional blitzing, power cliffing as well as certain nuances makes it clear they simply are not moving that fast all the time. There's also;

• Shin performing 10,000 FTL attacks in the time it takes him to perform one (1 breath). Ironically, this is where Grysilis is overjoyed at attaining lightspeed movement.
• It's clarified when both Shin and Lay are engaging each other at their fastest speed
• Sylvia being said to surpass any speed possible for a mortal as well as her attacks surpassing even that
• The God of Swordsmanship matches Shin's constantly accelerating speed

Especially in cases involving Shin, one minute Lay is matching him and the next Shin's blitzing to hell and back. He and the God of swordsmanship are relative, Shin accelerates, the God matches it, acceleration ends, both go back to fighting at a lower speed again.

New Scaling​

Low Tiers​

Sasha and Misha (1st key): Their combat speed should be At least Subsonic with Massively Hypersonic+ reaction speed.
They have no problems facing multiple members of the imperial family with a fellow imperial family member performing the subsonic feat. Subsonic because early series Lay is faster than them. He is stronger than they are at this point and being a swordsman, is more suited for overall physical combat.
While supersonic combat speed is possible for them it involves other things that's better left for a separate CRT.
The MHS+ reaction speed stems from Zombie Zepes reacting to and casting his own spell before lightning that was already released could reach him, several characters have access to lightning spells and use them regularly in combat. Zepes and his brother are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to scaling demons in the verse.

All others remain superhuman, subsonic or supersonic depending on feats.

Mid Tiers​

Mythical Era Demons (Higher End): Currently they're all "Sub-Relativistic+ up to FTL" because they scale above Anos and Lay's feat in volume 2 however, when the statement responsible for their current scaling was made, Lay had stopped trying to grow faster as speed wasn't helping him beat Anos so while they remain "At least Sub-Relativistic+", they should lose the FTL rating. Some of them do have individual feats that can get them above even FTL but that's should be treated on an individual basis.

Sasha and Misha 2nd & 3rd key: Affected by the removal of the FTL rating for most demons of the mythical era, Misha though should have Relativistic reaction speed as she reacted to a Teo Triath spell shot from a short distance away. Her speed with creation magic should also be anywhere from Relativistic to FTL. Not only did she react to the Teo Triath, she created barriers to withstand it and her creation speed surpassed the destructive power of the spell. This isn't just some AP vs durability feat, it's noted that due to the abruptness of the creation, she couldn't create a shield that was sturdy enough as well as Teo Triath AP far surpassing Misha's rating (>5-C vs 6-C, likely High 6-B). Each time the shield is broken, before the spell can travel the miniscule distance between Misha and the shield, she instantly creates another one to keep blocking it. It's a feat of pure speed.
Can Sasha can piggyback off Misha's reaction speed since both are equal in everything except in the magic they specialize in.

Sasha and Misha 4th Key: They should be Relativistic as they can tag dragons that are capable of dodging <Teo Triath> spells despite their sheer size.

Zeshia & Eleonore: Same as the twins. Sub-Relativistic+ in the first two keys, Relativistic in the last one. Eleonore though should have Relativistic magic casting even in her first key since she can deploy barriers before several <Teo Triath> can reach her.

Aisha Necron: Her first key should be "At least Sub-Relativistic+" with Relativistic reaction speed, Relativistic/FTL casting speed with creation magic scaling above the combination of Sasha and Misha. She could nullify several <Teo Triath> that were already travelling towards her, can cast barrier magic before one of the shots could hit her. Her second key should also be "At least Relativistic" scaling above Sasha and Misha

Linka Theorness: Her 1st key should lose its FTL rating but her 2nd key shouldn't, the Massively FTL can remain as a likely or possibly. The reason for keeping FTL and above being:

1. The statement scaling them to Anos applies chiefly to her
2. While weakened by Sasha's eyes (twofold by lowering both her physical ability and magic power), she's stated to have been toying with the twins during the fight. She blitzes Misha when her physical ability and magic power are no longer being drained by Sasha's eyes.
3. Most of all, even in her weakened state, her attack speed overwhelmed Misha's creation speed.

Consequently, Misha's perception speed (3rd key) would scale to Linka as while her body can't keep up, she was able to see Linka clearly

Melheis Boran: Melheis is stated to be comparable to the strongest demons from the mythical era, seems like cap but it's proven later on. Given he dodges a surprise attack from Lay who is in a hurry to rescue his mother, there's sufficient reason to claim Lay was serious so one can probably argue for him keeping the FTL rating. Bear in mind however that Lay trying to nab a triple kill in one attack might have giving him some leeway so maybe he's just far higher.
The Massively FTL rating based on Rouche in the second key is a different matter though. Couped with Lay being told not to go too easy on them, the urgency of the situation, he is shown blitzing 12 demons at once while cutting down their spell barrage simultaneously. Lay is also invisible and can't be sensed yet she managed to nick him with her blade and he used the new precog technique he learned from Shin to dodge her next attack before beating her but I'm honestly not sure about this one.
Would she be FTL, far higher or at most Massively FTL? Lower end remains Sub-Relativistic+ btw.

Gods​

It is stated multiple times that Gods can keep up with or catch Giosselia, The God of Brilliance who possesses the Order of Light that can move at the speed of light and even faster. Due to being light itself, only Giosselia will remain SoL. The rest will be Sub-Relativistic+ up to SoL, sub-rel+ because Nutra Du Hiana outpaced lightning. She is a keeper and keepers are middle ranking among the Gods (Divine Beasts< Keepers< Gods).

Consequently Arcana loses her Massively FTL+ rating, not only did she rely of the SoL/FTL travel speed of the order of light in an attempt to beat Shin, nothing implies her being comparable to him at his fastest speed. So nerf her to "Sub-Relativistic+ up to FTL" for combat and reaction speed, "Speed of Light to FTL" combat, reaction, movement/travel speed with the order of light.

Teo Triath​

Part way through I realized I was churning out justifications reliant on "Teo Triath" with nothing established about it. This spell uses the magic power to shoot a projectile of light.
The projectile doesn't just give off light, it is light itself. It has been called a bolt of light on numerous occasions, called a beam, a laser and has reflected off a mirror. The mirror here might be a magic one but the ability of this magic mirror is to duplicate what's reflected in it while here, the projectile reflects directly off it upon making contact. It is also speculated that it should be too fast for Anos to dodge at point blank range while Anos can casually surpass someone that's FTL

Anti-feats​

Why am I including it's anti-feats? Because I'm an idiot who came for an honest revision and honestly the anti-feats shouldn't matter.

• Causing explosions
• Giving off heat
• Force

Why Anti-feats Shouldn't Matter​

Order is the laws of nature that makes things what they are. They are type 1 concepts and Giosellia is the God of Brilliance whose order presides over light.
Giosellia is light itself, moves at the speed of light. Grysilis after gaining the ability to utilize the order of the Gods as magic uses the order of light to shoot bolts of light and these shots still have force behind them.

“Order magic, Jiosselom.”
A blinding beam of light fired from his fingertips. It approached Shin at the speed of light, but he stepped aside and let it hit Eldmed instead.
“Oof!” Eldmed grunted happily.
“Do you get it? I can even use the God of Brilliance Jiosselia’s order as my own magic. In other words, I can do things like this.”
Grysilis drew a magic circle over his entire body excitedly.
“Order magic, Jioroia!”
The next moment, he moved—at the speed of light.
“Heh heh heh, did you see that? I moved at the speed of light. Of course, it’s not as if such cheap magic is the pinnacle of my ability. I’m merely setting the table for the ultimate magic I am about to unveil.”
Grysilis moved around—yet again, at the speed of light—while emitting Jiosselom from his body, carving runes of light around the room.

And as for the explosions and heat, the light is still formed from magic energy and the heat is a property of the base spell (Aske) that is used to shoot said projectiles.

Bending down in the nick of time and avoiding mortal wounds, Kanon focused Aske in the holy sword. For a moment, the light scorched the demon king's hand and then threw it away.

This is the reason why the anti-feats aren't anti-feats because they are all things showcased by real light in the verse.

Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I would recommend holding off on this revision until the giant speed revision is done, since it will also affect this one.

Urgent Reaction Speed Conversation

Our "Reaction Speed" standards are terrible. Like they are actually worse than our old cloud calculation issues. They suck ass. This was triggered from this thread here, where people have dodging feats with the capabilities of jumping out of the way of attacks, doing entire crouching motions to...

vsbattles.com

It will save you and everyone some time in the future, when you don't finish implementing those, only to be forced to edit them.

 

[Tatsumi504]

I would recommend holding off on this revision until the giant speed revision is done, since it will also affect this one.

Urgent Reaction Speed Conversation

Our "Reaction Speed" standards are terrible. Like they are actually worse than our old cloud calculation issues. They suck ass. This was triggered from this thread here, where people have dodging feats with the capabilities of jumping out of the way of attacks, doing entire crouching motions to...

vsbattles.com

It will save you and everyone some time in the future, when you don't finish implementing those, only to be forced to edit them.

Already saw and took that thread into consideration when making this. Anything that can be deemed as just reaction speed has been specified as such in the OP

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

From a quick overview, almost everything looks great; the only thing I disagree with is scaling light faster than the normal speed of light. But, eh, if the other staff think it's fine and don't bring in any actual problems or anti-feats, it should be just fine.

So yeah, I overall agree with the changes, except the light not being SoL, where I am neutral.

Note - I am currently unable to view Imgur scans, so my scaling is solely based on your presentation, so it should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[SweetDao]

Giosellia is light itself, moves at the speed of light and can exceed it if he pleases.

I have some doubt about this, could you answer me whenever you have some time?

I checked the raw, just in case, but there is no mention of going "faster":
(Edit : It's MTL obviously, but my point isn't the translation itself, just the lack of "faster")

先程よりも輝きを増して、俺の周囲を光となったガゼルが周回する。

"Gazel, now shining even brighter than before, began circling around me as a beam of light."

Similarly, I checked the scene too, and it seems like he was stopped in his track moment before "increasing his speed". Couldn't "increased his speed" means "go from being halted to being LS again"?

If you can resolve my doubt, I'd say I'm fine with everything else. (Also, be careful because sometimes J-Novel translation is just shit, although I guess you're already aware)

 

[Tatsumi504]

I have some doubt about this, could you answer me whenever you have some time?

I checked the raw, just in case, but there is no mention of going "faster":
(Edit : It's MTL obviously, but my point isn't the translation itself, just the lack of "faster")

Huh, give me sometime to check that out though using the same MTL, the next sentence says something along the lines of "no one can catch a God moving at full speed". "Full speed" would indicate his prior movements weren't his top speed either way, I need to confirm it first. At worst the Gods will just be Sub-Rel+ to SoL.

Similarly, I checked the scene too, and it seems like he was stopped in his track moment before "increasing his speed". Couldn't "increased his speed" means "go from being halted to being LS again"?

Gazel stopped > Anos attacked > He started moving again > his light glows brighter > increases speed. His speed increased after he had started moving again.

If you can resolve my doubt, I'd say I'm fine with everything else. (Also, be careful because sometimes J-Novel translation is just shit, although I guess you're already aware)

You don't have to tell me. I normally crosscheck when I feel there's some discrepancy with the MTL I've read, this one just didn't set off any warning bells

 

[SweetDao]

Huh, give me sometime to check that out though using the same MTL, the next sentence says something along the lines of "no one can catch a God moving at full speed". "Full speed" would indicate his prior movements weren't his top speed either way, I need to confirm it first. At worst the Gods will just be Sub-Rel+ to SoL.

Since there are multiple mentions of "speed of light" and no clear mention of "faster than it", especially since what Gazel state, I'd say it's better to assume SoL for everyone else that scale to him (and character faster than him will be FTL).

Gazel stopped > Anos attacked > He started moving again > his light glows brighter > increases speed. His speed increased after he had started moving again.

This is what I get, personally (omit the weird names or whatever):

So shocked, Gazel froze in his tracks.

“This time, it's my turn.”

I closed the distance and thrust out my right hand.

“Wha—!!”

In that instant, he once again turned into light to evade my strike.

“To think you could defend against my spear... It seems you are worthy of being chosen. But I will not hesitate again.”

Gazel, now shining even brighter than before, began circling around me as a beam of light.

“This is the miracle of Geoceilia, God of Radiant Light! The divine dash that no one—no one—can ever catch!!”

With Anos stating this some time after:

“If the Radiant God moves at the speed of light, then I simply need to chase faster than that.”

Seems weird if it means they are FTL. I can give the raws too if necessary, just figured it would be faster to just send MTL.

You don't have to tell me. I normally crosscheck when I feel there's some discrepancy with the MTL I've read, this one just didn't set off any warning bells

Ah, sorry, I didn't mean it in a rude way. Just that, well, sometimes translation is shit and don't worry, it's fine, it happens all the time and it's not your fault.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I have some doubt about this, could you answer me whenever you have some time?

I checked the raw, just in case, but there is no mention of going "faster":
(Edit : It's MTL obviously, but my point isn't the translation itself, just the lack of "faster")

Similarly, I checked the scene too, and it seems like he was stopped in his track moment before "increasing his speed". Couldn't "increased his speed" means "go from being halted to being LS again"?

If you can resolve my doubt, I'd say I'm fine with everything else. (Also, be careful because sometimes J-Novel translation is just shit, although I guess you're already aware)

OTL correct or not. MTL usage shouldn't be used for this verse. So it's better if there is a translation from trustworthy source. We already got the verse deleted because of this. Don't want another drama to occur.

 

[SweetDao]

OTL correct or not. MTL usage shouldn't be used for this verse. So it's better if there is a translation from trustworthy source. We already got the verse deleted because of this. Don't want another drama to occur.

Sure sure, if it's really needed I can ask a friend of mine (reliable, Mugen no Setsuna) to translate it. I wasn't using the MTL to say "use it instead of the OTL" more like, "there is no mention of faster/speed here".

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Regarding Zepes' feat, I'm not sure if we can scale it, since I don't remember it being comparable to real lightning.

As for the thread, I will remain neutral for the time being.

 

[Tatsumi504]

I can give the raws too if necessary, just figured it would be faster to just send MTL.

Just ask tl helpers to translate it. Oh, I didn't think you were being rude btw, I just meant I didn't notice this one cause it's relatively minor

Regarding Zepes' feat, I'm not sure if we can scale it, since I don't remember it being comparable to real lightning.

There has never been a statement differentiating between lightning though be it cloud to ground or various spells

As for the thread, I will remain neutral for the time being.

https://cdn.**********.com/emojis/1306819489538510858.webp?size=160

 

[SweetDao]

Just ask tl helpers to translate it. Oh, I didn't think you were being rude btw, I just meant I didn't notice this one cause it's relatively minor

Only the single sentence? Or do you wish for something else too?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Only the single sentence? Or do you wish for something else too?

The two sentences. The first and the one after it

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

There has never been a statement differentiating between lightning though be it cloud to ground or various spells

We need proof for this spell specifically by wiki standards though.

https://cdn.**********.com/emojis/1306819489538510858.webp?size=160

Don't blame me I need to read the OP again because you added some new stuff which we didn't discussed
Im currently at work will check them later

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Similarly, I checked the scene too, and it seems like he was stopped in his track moment before "increasing his speed". Couldn't "increased his speed" means "go from being halted to being LS again"?

So, yeah it seems the faster word is not in the raw but is it really matter? If we compare it by what happened in the scenario.

In the scene, Gazel initially moved at the speed of light to attack Anos, but it failed. Then, he began to shine even more brightly than before, implying he had increased his brightness more than when he attacked at the speed of light. Since Gazel is the order of light, it also makes sense that increasing his brightness could further increase his speed more the speed of light. Also, why would he use the same speed again when he saw Anos effortlessly dodging it?

It's why I think JNC translator added 'increase speed' at the end for making more sense I think. As it's obvious that OTL don't translate word to word but makes more readable and properly understandable of what translator understood. Though this isn't to they are always correct but it can be judged by seeing the context and analysing imo.

As for Anos saying it's the speed of light, it could also mean that from his perspective, it's still the same just like how, from his perspective, even gods aren't immortal.

Either way I will leave it to staff for if it's to be sol or FTL. Or it can be added as possible or likely if it's not clear enough I think.

 

[SweetDao]

In the scene, Gazel initially moved at the speed of light to attack Anos, but it failed. Then, he began to shine even more brightly than before, implying he had increased his brightness more than when he attacked at the speed of light. Since Gazel is the order of light, it also makes sense that increasing his brightness could further increase his speed more the speed of light. Also, why would he use the same speed again when he saw Anos effortlessly dodging it?

Do you have proof that "increasing brightness = increasing speed or overall characteristics" ?

Gazel and Anos keeps talking about "Speed of Light" never once does it say going faster than it (beside Anos, who is a special case). Look at this:

“Foolish demon from above. I shall teach you, the heretic who denies the gods, how those of the underground fight. Those eyes of a fool who does not see god will be unable to keep me in their sights. Through the possession of the God of Brilliance, I have become light—and there is nothing faster in this world!”

Light flashed from every direction around me. The Divine Spear Behetenos thrust forward at the speed of light, aimed straight at my face. I tilted my head to the side and let the spear pass by my cheek.

“Did you think you could escape me if you ran at the speed of light?”

Even the God of Brillance is associated with "Speed of Light" twice (MTL here, because it conveys a bit better the meaning I feel like):

「輝光神が光の速さを持つならば、それ以上の速さで追えばいいだけのことだ」

“If the God of Brillance moves at the speed of light, then I simply need to chase faster than that.”

「神を知らぬ異端者、地上の愚かな魔族に、教えてやろう。これが地底世界の戦いである。神を知らぬ愚者の目には、この聖者の姿すら捉えることはできはしまい。輝光神ジオッセリアを宿した我が姿は光、この世に光より速きものは存在しない」

"Let me teach you, heretic who knows nothing of the gods, foolish demonkin of the surface. This is the way battles are fought in the underworld. To the eyes of a fool who knows not the gods, even the form of this saint cannot be captured. The form I take, bearing the Radiant God Geoceilia, is light—there exists nothing in this world faster than light."

So yeah, before with the "increased speed" aspect, you could argue something, right now, it just feels like stretching a reasoning without much proof in the actual scene.

It's why I think JNC translator added 'increase speed' at the end for making more sense I think. As it's obvious that OTL don't translate word to word but makes more readable and properly understandable of what translator understood. Though this isn't to they are always correct but it can be judged by seeing the context and analysing imo.

I'm sorry, but having dealt with J-Novel I can't accept that outcome. Unless you have in-verse proof or a scene that shows he's actually going FTL for a bit, I'll disagree.

As for Anos saying it's the speed of light, it could also mean that from his perspective, it's still the same just like how, from his perspective, even gods aren't immortal.

I think it's kinda redundant and circular.

Gazel is stated LS by Anos => Anos is special => Therefore it's not literally LS because Anos said it.
Gazel states he's LS => Gazel is special => Therefore it's not literally LS because Gazel said it.

Because at that point, what EVEN IS Speed of light? Can you be absolutely sure that, from your perspective, Gazel first "speed of light" feat is actually speed of light? Couldn't it be way higher? Or maybe, who knows, way slower? If you can't use the denomination used several times in the verse (and the logic itself, since well, Gazel got the God of Light power for a bit) then you just can't scale anymore. Even OP agrees that, baseline, he is LS, unless you get something that shows he's faster, it makes little sense.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Do you have proof that "increasing brightness = increasing speed or overall characteristics" ?

Before the statement of increasing speed.

“Uwah! I suppose you weren’t chosen for nothing. However, though you might have blocked my spear, you cannot stop my feet!”

It shows he is clearly talking about the speed imo. And also why would he use same speed of light when he knows Anos can easily dodge it. He was confident enough this time that he can outpace Anos too. So, it should be atleast higher than his previous speed of light.

“This is the miracle of Giosselia, the God of Brilliance! No one in existence can reach the almighty speeds of god!”

There are also other feats for God's with their respective order they get more stronger than before. Like Goddess of destruction gets more destruction power when closer to destruction. In this case it should be light.

Gazel and Anos keeps talking about "Speed of Light" never once does it say going faster than it (beside Anos, who is a special case). Look at this:



Even the God of Brillance is associated with "Speed of Light" twice (MTL here, because it conveys a bit better the meaning I feel like):

You are already told not to use MTL even if it's for clarifying. If you want use them please get them translated by Translation helpers first. Since MTL is strictly not allowed to be used iirc

Because at that point, what EVEN IS Speed of light? Can you be absolutely sure that, from your perspective, Gazel first "speed of light" feat is actually speed of light? Couldn't it be way higher? Or maybe, who knows, way slower? If you can't use the denomination used several times in the verse (and the logic itself, since well, Gazel got the God of Light power for a bit) then you just can't scale anymore. Even OP agrees that, baseline, he is LS, unless you get something that shows he's faster, it makes little sense.

We can judge it by seeing the context, I already explained how it could be in above.

Anyway, as I have said before. I'll will leave this upto staff if they find it enough good or if not than this what it is.

 

[SweetDao]

It shows he is clearly talking about the speed imo. And also why would he use same speed of light when he knows Anos can easily dodge it. He was confident enough this time that he can outpace Anos too. So, it should be atleast higher than his previous speed of light.

The spear goes at which speed? LS. His movement goes at which speed? LS.

There are also other feats for God's with their respective order they get more stronger than before. Like Goddess of destruction gets more destruction power when closer to destruction. In this case it should be light.

What's the second part supposed to prove? Okay, the Goddess of Destruction gets more destruction when faced with destruction. So the God of light get more light when faced with light? (Without mentioning the fact that technically more light = slower, but since it's fantasy novel, ig it wouldn't work that way)
In any case, I think it should be a case by case basis.

You are already told not to use MTL even if it's for clarifying. If you want use them please get them translated by Translation helpers first. Since MTL is strictly not allowed to be used iirc

Again. I'm not using the MTL to just "dismiss" the OTL, I'm using it to show that the point brought by OP simply doesn't exist. You can dismiss the MTL and check each kanji independently if you wish. But sure, since you want a translated version, I'll ask someone.

We can judge it by seeing the context, I already explained how it could be in above.

The context is very clear. God of light = Use light based attack, is light, goes at the speed of light.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Looking at the OP and SweetDao's argument, I'm not sure with FTL speed either.

The MTL, from what I gathered, wasn't supposed to be the main thing or some shit, it was supposed to show that the "faster/whatever" word was just, not there. Obviously you'd need to get another TL to clarify it, but the main point was that, it just isn't there.

And honestly, from the arguments, I don't see anything that supports FTL here. Dude is the god of light, fights at the speed of light, and goes at the speed of light. You'd assume that if they did actually became faster, they would mention some shit like "He became even faster than light" or smth. Instead all we have here are vague statements trying to get connected together in order to get him to be FTL. Really iffy for me.

Disagree with FTL stuff for now.

 

[Tatsumi504]

For now I'll remove the God FTL stuff but I'd still appreciate it if sweetdao got those two sentences checked with wiki translators.

And honestly, from the arguments, I don't see anything that supports FTL here. Dude is the god of light, fights at the speed of light, and goes at the speed of light. You'd assume that if they did actually became faster, they would mention some shit like "He became even faster than light" or smth. Instead all we have here are vague statements trying to get connected together in order to get him to be FTL. Really iffy for me.

Disagree with FTL stuff for now.

Now this I might get angry at. Other characters clearly have FTL feats. The translation also said his light became brighter (side effect of using more magic power in the verse) and he became faster, that isn't on me. There were no vague statements connected together to get FTL like you're implying, if anything I'm downgrading the lot of them here.

 

[SweetDao]

For now I'll remove the God FTL stuff but I'd still appreciate it if sweetdao got those two sentences checked with wiki translators.

I asked directly to Mugen no Setsuna to translate the bunch you and Godsatoshi wanted to get, so that everything is done (while take a bit of time tho).

 

[Tatsumi504]

Bump...maybe not?
So far the only contention has been cleared but these parts of the CRT that are supposed to be interactive:

• Melheis keeping FTL rating or just "far higher"
• "Likely, possibly" or a full on "up to" Massively FTL rating for Linka
• Rouche tagging invisible, ESP immune Lay, Lay being serious is enough to make her "Massively FTL"?

Technically, whatever is decided for Linka affects Rouche as story wise, Anos's commanders are stronger. Nigitt is the 2nd best swordsman of demonkind, Camus being a match for the Evil Royals in pure h2h combat, Rouche is the best/strongest wind magic user and most of all they survived the mission to overthrow the sun of destruction. There's no reason why they should fall behind Linka

 

[ROZAN-U]

Agree and bump

 

[SweetDao]

Alright, got the translations from @Mugen_no_Setsuna

「神を知らぬ異端者、地上の愚かな魔族に、教えてやろう。これが地底世界の戦いである。神を知らぬ愚者の目には、この聖者の姿すら捉えることはできはしまい。輝光神ジオッセリアを宿した我が姿は光、この世に光より速きものは存在しない」

"Foolish demon of the surface world, and the heathen who doesn't know God, I shall teach you. This is the battle of the Underground World. The eyes of a fool who doesn't know God can't even grasp the form of this sage. My form, which housed Giosselia, the God of Brilliance, is light itself, and there's nothing in this world that can outrun light."

「輝光神が光の速さを持つならば、それ以上の速さで追えばいいだけのことだ」
"If the God of Brilliance has the speed of light, then we just have to pursue him at a speed surpassing his own."

先程よりも輝きを増して、俺の周囲を光となったガゼルが周回する。「これこそ、輝光神ジオッセリアの奇跡っ！　何人たりとも、決して追いつくことはできぬ、神の疾走ぞっ!!」
After transforming into light, Gazel, now becoming more and more brilliant, circle around me.
"This is truly the miracle of Giosseila, the God of Brilliance! Nobody can ever catch up with this divine sprint!!"

 

[Tatsumi504]

Alright, got the translations from @Mugen_no_Setsuna

Yeah, no FTL light then, thanks btw.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Besides Giosellia being FTL, the OP looks fine to me.

 

[Reiner04]

Besides Giosellia being FTL, the OP looks fine to me.

^

 

[Catzlaflame]

At a quick glance, I’m in the same boat, yes.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Since the changes have been applied, closing this thread.