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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

DemonKing021 said:
That's fine. We should still add other god's special immortalities in the scans in his case.

For example, the Frenzy God can ressurect from destruction by falsifying reality.

Trace God won't die because he is the past of everything in existence. No matter what you do, the truth that Revelshned is the past won't change, so he can't be destroyed.

As long as sound is heard God of Gospel is immortal etc etc.
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I'm pretty sure Frenzy god is a fraud without Graham using it.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I'm pretty sure Frenzy god is a fraud without Graham using it.
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Fr.

If he had reason destroying power like Venuzdonoa, who knows how that mf lost to Graham who didn't even have Mauve Eyes at that time.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Wait for verse to get to tier 1.
I'm not making the best girl profile before that.
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Equis?

Friendly reminder Anos prioritises Equis over his own life.

- Exactly. In the end, it all comes down to the same thing. You are forced to protect this world. Protect me (the world) and be crushed by the gears of despair, tiny foreign body!!
Immediately after that, Equis and I crashed into Vertexfemblem’s “Gears of Fate”. An ear-splitting, deafening sound was heard, and magical particles dispersed violently.
- Gi, gi-gi, gi-gi-ha-ha-ha-ha! – laughed Equis, making a rusty sound.
Because I was protecting him from being sucked into the Vertexfemblam, only I was being sucked in, and the teeth of countless gears were biting into me.
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Can there be more than one High 1-A+ (Type 1) in a verse? Just felt like asking for some reason.
 
Question: how did Graham and Anos get the Aspect 4 for their NEP?

Would Prefer if @Tatsumi504 or @Dereck03 answered.

Just curious since I find no indication of information being nonexistent, and from my understanding is not even a fundamental part of the verse outside of magic formulas.
 
DemonKing021 said:
Fr.

If he had reason destroying power like Venuzdonoa, who knows how that mf lost to Graham who didn't even have Mauve Eyes at that time.
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That Scythe does has powers similar to Venuzdonoa but that God is a fraud got destroyed by one of the possibilities of Celis alone 😆 when 2 thousand years ago Scythe and Graham survived real Celis.
Well done, Jeff,” the purple lightning that had turned into a giant sword fell upon Aganzon and Dordiredd. “Ravia Neold Garvarisen.”

Everywhere and everywhere a thunderclap resounded, seeming to tear apart the sky itself, and the gods were struck by the lightning of destruction. The sky in Dilheid was painted purple, and the gods of madness and good news were completely destroyed. Not even ashes remained of them.

“Two thousand years ago…” my father said, using destruction magic. “I left your mother to die.”

As the purple lightning faded, "Venegiara" began to run out and its magic power began to fade.

“But…” Selis Voldigod said, holding my mother tightly to his chest, “This time I protected her.”

The sky, which had turned purple, became its former color again.

Aganzon and Dordiredd were no longer there. They had vanished.

"I have protected everything..." Father thrust the Thunder Sword. The strength suddenly began to leave his body. "Your parents and this place where you must return."

Idzhes caught my parents who were about to fall.

- ...Are you looking, Anos?..

The "Venegiara" of the last moments began to disappear.

Along with my father's voice.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
That Scythe does has powers similar to Venuzdonoa but that God is a fraud got destroyed by one of the possibilities of Celis alone 😆
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I agree Aganzon's showing isn't great but that possibility had the same power as Celis from 2000 years ago.
Although his appearance was the same as in this era, his magical power was clearly the same as before his reincarnation; the same as Selis Voldigod.
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when 2 thousand years ago Scythe and Graham survived real Celis.
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That wasn't a fair fight. Anos said Celis would have won without Graham taking Jeff hostage
 
DemonKing021 said:
I agree Aganzon's showing isn't great but that possibility had the same power as Celis from 2000 years ago.
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You missed the point. Scythe survived the same attack, while Frenzy God was destroyed. Also never claimed possibility didn't had same power.
DemonKing021 said:
That wasn't a fair fight. Anos said Celis would have won without Graham taking Jeff hostage
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Celis winning the fight doesn't matter; that fight would have dragged on to some extent. You're missing the point again. The attack was enough to kill Frenzy God, while Scythe was able to survive the same attack.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
You missed the point. Scythe survived the same attack, while Frenzy God was destroyed.

Celis winning the fight doesn't matter; that fight would have dragged on to some extent. You're missing the point again. The attack was enough to kill Frenzy God, while Scythe was able to survive the same attack.
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Maybe. I miss points all the time.

Let's be real. In Misfit verse, characters often don't use their abilities to the fullest in most fights, so the fight can drag longer. Celis could have defeated Graham pretty easily if he used Mauve Eyes hax to prevent the Scythe's falsifying powers. But no, for some reason he didn't.

In Aganzon's case he tried to falsify the attack but Mauve Eyes blocked his powers.
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Question: how did Graham and Anos get the Aspect 4 for their NEP?

Would Prefer if @Tatsumi504 or @Dereck03 answered.

Just curious since I find no indication of information being nonexistent, and from my understanding is not even a fundamental part of the verse outside of magic formulas.
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Considering that Venuzudonoa can destroy the formulas/fundamental information of spells, it can be assumed that Graham was also erased at the fundamental information level.
 
CodeCCLL said:
Considering that Venuzudonoa can destroy the formulas/fundamental information of spells, it can be assumed that Graham was also erased at the fundamental information level.
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There is no such "fundamental information" in Maou Gakuin, and what Venzudona destroys is magic formulas, not fundamental information, since, as mentioned that thing doesn't exist within the verse.
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
There is no such "fundamental information" in Maou Gakuin, and what Venzudona destroys is magic formulas, not fundamental information, since, as mentioned that thing doesn't exist within the verse.
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Information Manipulation (Types 1; Manipulated the knowledge of The Great Tree Ennunien so that having incorrect test answers meant you could not legitimately get a perfect test score, and could therefore make Anos' subordinates legitimately get a perfect test score even if they had incorrect test answers. & 2; Can destroy and alter the theoretical and practical formula of spells. This in turn changes the properties of the magic itself)
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Dark_Soul20189 said:
Also, I asked Tatsumi and Dereck specifically.
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Just so you know that Oblivion is far more knowledgeable in MG than me, in fact he has been part of MG since 2018-2019.

Anyway the argument as code stated it is simple enough.

Information type 2 from the verse is bound by reason.
Graham's true state is beyond reason
Anything that can be affected by venuz means its bound by reason, which includes info type 2 beings in the verse.
Graham's true state lacks and it's unbound of reason and venuz cant get rid of it (due to time limit and his physiology)
So that means his nothingness does not have information
Also by lacking reason, his nothingness is also lacking order (WN had the statement but ig it was skipped in the LN), that means it also lack the property of magic itself including all the Spirit stuffs that's under order itself.
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Yeah, Venuzdonoa uses its logic-altering power to change or destroy anything in existence, including info type 2 in the verse. But Graham's nothingness lacks reason, logic and order (not to mention, if he had information, Venuz would've had just destroyed or manipulated the information of his nothingness, but that wasn't the case)
 
Dereck03 said:
Just so you know that Oblivion is far more knowledgeable in MG than me, in fact he has been part of MG since 2018-2019.

Anyway the argument as code stated it is simple enough.
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Alright, I see.
Information type 2 from the verse is bound by reason.
Graham's true state is beyond reason
Anything that can be affected by venuz means its bound by reason, which includes info type 2 beings in the verse.
Graham's true state lacks and it's unbound of reason and venuz cant get rid of it
So that means his nothingness does not have information
Also by lacking reason, his nothingness is also lacking order (WN had the statement but ig it was skipped in the LN), that means it also lack the property of magic itself including all the Spirit stuffs that's under order itself.
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Ngl, I wished they had the last one in the LN, since that would mainly fix my concern.
Since my biggest problem is just that while Venzuadonoa can affect and destroy information, I don't understand why we would assume he would even have information as a part of his being in the first place.
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Ngl, I wished they had the last one in the LN, since that would mainly fix my concern.
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While it skipped the mention of order, it shouldn't matter that much, since as I said, by lacking and being unbound of reason his nothingness would also lack order.

Which will make much more sense later in later volumes when it is mentioned that the sources are the equivalent of an order called fire dew, which will make us upgrade them to type 1.
Fire Dew: Fire Dew is a force that exists across the entire Silver Sea and is equivalent to the "Order of Life-force", or the term "Source" in the world of mortals.
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Dereck03 said:
While it skipped the mention of order, it shouldn't matter that much, since as I said, by lacking and being unbound of reason his nothingness would also lack order.

Which will make much more sense later in later volumes when it is mentioned that the sources are the equivalent of an order called fire dew, which will make us upgrade them to type 1.
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I think you misunderstand what My problem is. My problem is that nothing in Maou Gakuin indicates that a being's Physiology and/or source are fundamental information of any kind. That means that it can't be NEP since it's not even a part of their being in the first place. That is for example why do I have a problem with NEP aspect 4, while not having any problems with NEP aspect 3, The source for the gods and such include order that is accepted as being accepted Concepts for a source, but would be fine for all sources, since they are also accepted as a lower concepts by themself. get me?
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
That means that it can't be NEP since it's not even a part of their being in the first place.
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This is not a requirement.

Due to verse equalization rules, even if a character is not specifically stated to have a soul/concept/fundamental information, this character is treated as if has a soul/concept/fundamental information and these aspects can be manipulated/erased by another character. That's why, fundemental information need not be a specific aspect of Graham's existence. Venuzdonoa erased Graham at fundamental information level so Graham now lacks fundamental information that another character can manipulate/erase by conventional means.
 
CodeCCLL said:
This is not a requirement.

Due to verse equalization rules, even if a character is not specifically stated to have a soul/concept/fundamental information, this character is treated as if has a soul/concept/fundamental information and these aspects can be manipulated/erased by another character. That's why, fundemental information need not be a specific aspect of Graham's existence. Venuzdonoa erased Graham at fundamental information level so Graham now lacks fundamental information that another character can manipulate/erase by conventional means.
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Time for tensura to get above infinite layered Nep 2 🙏
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
I think you misunderstand what My problem is. My problem is that nothing in Maou Gakuin indicates that a being's Physiology and/or source are fundamental information of any kind. That means that it can't be NEP since it's not even a part of their being in the first place. That is for example why do I have a problem with NEP aspect 4, while not having any problems with NEP aspect 3, The source for the gods and such include order that is accepted as being accepted Concepts for a source, but would be fine for all sources, since they are also accepted as a lower concepts by themself. get me?
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If I remember correctly, Eldemade had made a thread that upgraded sources to Info type 2. As sources contains the fundamental information of one's existence which is necessary for one to exist. And the fact that a source could reconstruct the Spirit, Soul and Physical body of the user by remembering the structure of their body.
 
Success0906 said:
If I remember correctly, Eldemade had made a thread that upgraded sources to Info type 2. As sources contains the fundamental information of one's existence which is necessary for one to exist. And the fact that a source could reconstruct the Spirit, Soul and Physical body of the user by remembering the structure of their body.
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If that thread existed, it would solve the issue. The problem is that I am not aware of any such threads, and it definitely does not exist on the profiles.
 
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