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I will concentrate on Costoria and Yzark profile Sandbox. We need both of those characters profile first.
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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread
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Venuzdonoa
Venuzdonoa, the Abolisher of Reason (理滅剣ヴェヌズドノア, Rimetsuken Venuzudonoa?) is the signature demon sword of Anos Voldigoad which can destroy anything that exists, including the order of the world. It is a sword that Anos rarely uses, and its existence is mostly unknown because those who witness it...
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He don't. Graham's nothingness lacks reason even that's gets Negged by the sword. Logic doesn't apply to it. And if he only manipulates laws and concepts it shouldn't affect NEP type 2Going by this page reason manipulation isn't a thing and when Anos destroys reason to do impossible things he really just destroys laws and concepts to do so. What do you all think?Venuzdonoa
Venuzdonoa, the Abolisher of Reason (理滅剣ヴェヌズドノア, Rimetsuken Venuzudonoa?) is the signature demon sword of Anos Voldigoad which can destroy anything that exists, including the order of the world. It is a sword that Anos rarely uses, and its existence is mostly unknown because those who witness it...maou-gakuin.fandom.com
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This is not an argument tho. It could just be a verse thing.And if he only manipulates laws and concepts it shouldn't affect NEP type 2
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That's not a verse thing. If that's a vese then that's not NEP type 2
. Also thats an arguable. I gave proof for it being above laws and concepts. By your logic evryone who has plot manipulation in other series is only verse thing but they has only law manipulation?
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That wiki has source manipulation, and you know in this wiki we don't have it this type of manipulation?Going by this page reason manipulation isn't a thing and when Anos destroys reason to do impossible things he really just destroys laws and concepts to do so. What do you all think?Venuzdonoa
Venuzdonoa, the Abolisher of Reason (理滅剣ヴェヌズドノア, Rimetsuken Venuzudonoa?) is the signature demon sword of Anos Voldigoad which can destroy anything that exists, including the order of the world. It is a sword that Anos rarely uses, and its existence is mostly unknown because those who witness it...
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I am not saying Reason manipulation is plot manipulation ( for now ) but the thing is it's doing better things than what laws and Concepts manipulation does.That's not a verse thing. If that's a vese then that's not NEP type 2
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It's quite annoying to see people think reason manipulation is just laws manipulation
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Lol. Its really sad bro. Especially trying to explain how r reason manipulation is so different from what people thinks.
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Funny you would say this when things like concept and law manipulation exists in the verse yet Venuzdonoa and MEoCD are clearly stated to destroy reason/logic.Going by this page reason manipulation isn't a thing and when Anos destroys reason to do impossible things he really just destroys laws and concepts to do so. What do you all think?Venuzdonoa
Venuzdonoa, the Abolisher of Reason (理滅剣ヴェヌズドノア, Rimetsuken Venuzudonoa?) is the signature demon sword of Anos Voldigoad which can destroy anything that exists, including the order of the world. It is a sword that Anos rarely uses, and its existence is mostly unknown because those who witness it...
Tagging it as law and concept manipulation is what we just do to describe the ability and avoid NLF
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I doubt it... It has already been explicitly mentioned that order = law, the use of the word reason has also been shown in many occasions and almost in each one of them they make it superior to order itself and every time something impossible is done they always mention the manipulation or destruction of reason, not order.
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Meanwhile Official translation laughs
There is already one volume official translation out.
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Like I said Japanese is very context dependent language, the meaning could change later when they have more info on it. For example the kanji that is used in Venuzdonoa's name is 理
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That same kanji that is used for reason can also mean underlying principle of the cosmos which would be laws of the cosmos
If you continue to use the power of the Sword of Destruction, you will be able to continue to destroy me," he said. But that sword can't keep its shape permanently, can it? Especially if this is not your Demon King's castle.
Indeed. Venuzdnoa has a time limit.
He cannot continue to destroy the truth of his nihilism forever with the Sword of Destruction.
No matter how much magic you use, order will eventually return to its original form.
Once the blade is retracted, reason will return to its original form, and the nothingness that remains will take the form of graham and begin to move again.
And this pretty much equals them
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If you continue to use the power of the Sword of Destruction, you will be able to continue to destroy me," he said. But that sword can't keep its shape permanently, can it? Especially if this is not your Demon King's castle.
Indeed. Venuzdnoa has a time limit.
He cannot continue to destroy the truth of his nihilism forever with the Sword of Destruction.
No matter how much magic you use, order will eventually return to its original form.
Once the blade is retracted, reason will return to its original form, and the nothingness that remains will take the form of graham and begin to move again.
And this pretty much equals them
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Yeah no, even official translations call it "reason", even the anime as well
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Pretty sure the reason it’s referring to is Grahams nothingness whilst the order it’s referring to is the order of venuzdonoaLike I said Japanese is very context dependent language, the meaning could change later when they have more info on it. For example the kanji that is used in Venuzdonoa's name is 理
That same kanji that is used for reason can also mean underlying principle of the cosmos which would be laws of the cosmos理 - Jisho.org
秩序 here the same kanji is used in creating word "order"
If you continue to use the power of the Sword of Destruction, you will be able to continue to destroy me," he said. But that sword can't keep its shape permanently, can it? Especially if this is not your Demon King's castle.
Indeed. Venuzdnoa has a time limit.
He cannot continue to destroy the truth of his nihilism forever with the Sword of Destruction.
No matter how much magic you use, order will eventually return to its original form.
Once the blade is retracted, reason will return to its original form, and the nothingness that remains will take the form of graham and begin to move again.
And this pretty much equals them
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What's being refered here is that order(reason) that Anos destroys to do impossible things will come back, will be restored. Normally if you erase things they return to nothingness but Graham is nothingness that doesn't have order so Venuzdonoa just doesn't work on him.
Point being that reason and order are often used together to represent the same thing.
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Pretty sure in volume 4 we start to get context that they are the same.
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理を Kanji used in "He cannot continue to destroy the truth of his nihilism forever with the Sword of Destruction." . Anos destroyed order of nothingness hence why Graham can't regenerate while Venuzdonoa is out
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both terms are used differently, this is wrong
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You first goes on to say we don't have official translation when I send official translation stating reason you want to try something else to downgrade the abilityLike I said Japanese is very context dependent language, the meaning could change later when they have more info on it. For example the kanji that is used in Venuzdonoa's name is 理
That same kanji that is used for reason can also mean underlying principle of the cosmos which would be laws of the cosmos理 - Jisho.org
If you continue to use the power of the Sword of Destruction, you will be able to continue to destroy me," he said. But that sword can't keep its shape permanently, can it? Especially if this is not your Demon King's castle.
Indeed. Venuzdnoa has a time limit.
He cannot continue to destroy the truth of his nihilism forever with the Sword of Destruction.
No matter how much magic you use, order will eventually return to its original form.
Once the blade is retracted, reason will return to its original form, and the nothingness that remains will take the form of graham and begin to move again.
And this pretty much equals them
.Also nothing you said not even slightest debunks anything. Reason and order both are differentiated in the verse. Your arguments are just assumption with little to no context.
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He is trying to say we using DeeplL translation is wrong.
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Isn't DeepL the most accurate translator so far? (I wanted to purchase premium just to translate the Novel as well XD)
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It is. Its even better than MTL. Also You can use Jinsho to cross check the kanji.
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Oh lord Dereck check the thread which Ant tagged you
. Graham's aspects type 5 upgrade is just pending.
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Lemme debunk your entire reasoning easily.
Reason is not the same as order, they are completely different. Anos doesn't destroy order, he destroys reason. Ultimate proof of this is if any order is destroyed not to mention order as whole, the world will be destroyed.
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Brother, it is not about better translation, it is about removing limitations they put in the none-premium version
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Oh lord Dereck check the thread which Ant tagged you
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Same reason why i have it.
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Expect order can be restored, Anos just destroys a part of it. Anyway I guess we'll wait for further translation.
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Which thread tho? Mind linking it?Oh lord Dereck check the thread which Ant tagged you
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What limitations?
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He doesn't just destroy a part of it. You're just bringing baseless headcanon now. The destruction of any order at all would destroy the world. What gets restored is reason.
