Makoto Yuki vs Ren Amamiya

[TheOne134]

4-A Forms.

Speed equalized.

 

[Edwellken]

These protag vs protag threads need to stop lol

Ren almost certainly AP stomps for being FAR superior to baseline (or whatever the starry sky creation feat counts as).

 

[TheOne134]

How is Ren's starry sky feat superior to Makoto's?

 

[Edwellken]

It isn't, but in his 4-A key he scales to Yaldabaoth, who is MASSIVELY superior to the one who does it.

We probably could add a key for late game, like before they fought Yaldabaoth though.

 

[TheOne134]

I see. In that case, it would kinda make sense Ren AP stomps.


Will PQ just make them all comparable to each other later on?

 

[Edwellken]

I haven't played PQ yet, but I don't think it will scale to the main games from what I know. If it's canon to the main continuity it might be added as a separate key. If not, they'd get separate pages.

 

[TheOne134]

I thought they were all canon.

But, if the velvet sisters fights are not integrated to the story, everyone will just scale to their base forms.

 

[Thiag125]

Giving my vote to Ren.

 

[Corgi_the_Gen_Z_God]

RenRen FRA

 

[Dragoonseraphim]

Can't Makoto just use Armageddon to insta-kill?

 

[Corgi_the_Gen_Z_God]

He has Survival Trick to help with that via Alice persona

 

[Edwellken]

Armageddon also doesn't instakill

 

[Corgi_the_Gen_Z_God]

Sends out energy blasts too I guess...