Maki vs Mahito

[CiscoTheSoto]

Maki vs Mahito

• Battle Location: Shibuya
• Both in-character
• Complete Heavenly Restriction Maki and Instant Spirit of Distorted Killing Mahito are used.

Maki:

Mahito:

Inconclusive:

 

[Mickey1940]

Maki before becoming fully heavenly restricted and after being sliced from shoulder to hip by her dad completely dominated and 1 shot Human Naobito, who was dominating Yuji and Choso similarly to how ISoDK Mahito was dominating Yuji. Even after Naobito became a Cursed Spirit and became far stronger than before, Maki's complete heavenly restriction still bodied him like he was nothing, to such an extent that she was dodging him in midair, despite her lack of flight or air mobility whatsoever.

Maki's Split Soul Katana is also capable of interacting with Maki's soul, meaning his Low Godly is completely irrelevant

Maki stomps

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Maki before becoming fully heavenly restricted and after being sliced from shoulder to hip by her dad completely dominated and 1 shot Human Naobito, who was dominating Yuji and Choso similarly to how ISoDK Mahito was dominating Yuji. Even after Naobito became a Cursed Spirit and became far stronger than before, Maki's complete heavenly restriction still bodied him like he was nothing, to such an extent that she was dodging him in midair, despite her lack of flight or air mobility whatsoever.

Naoya didn't really dominate Yuji and Choso. Yuji still hadn't fully recovered from Shibuya, according to Choso, and Choso himself eventually grew capable of adapting to Naoya's speed and would've defeated him had Yuta not intervened, so it's isn't fair to say Naoya would've dominated Yuji. Also, Cursed Spirit Naoya nearly defeated Maki. She only won because she took advantage of his weaknesses and she had Kamo to assist her. So the gap isn't as egrigious as you claim it is. And remember that transformed Mahito was overwhelmingly stronger than Yuji. His regular punches couldn't even stagger Mahito, and he only lost because of the damage he accumulated from the earlier battle. So a transformed Mahito fighting against Maki while he's fully replenished his stamina makes this a lot harder. The guidebook even states ISoDK Mahito would've

Maki's Split Soul Katana is also capable of interacting with Maki's soul, meaning his Low Godly is completely irrelevant

It's not completely irrelevant. Mahito is capable of resisting attacks to his soul and can survive Yuji's punches, even if he gets injured by them. He can change the shape of his own soul, which would include any cuts he gets from the soul-split katana.

 

[Mickey1940]

Naoya didn't really dominate Yuji and Choso. Yuji still hadn't fully recovered from Shibuya, according to Choso, and Choso himself eventually grew capable of adapting to Naoya's speed and would've defeated him had Yuta not intervened, so it's isn't fair to say Naoya would've dominated Yuji. Also, Cursed Spirit Naoya nearly defeated Maki. She only won because she took advantage of his weaknesses and she had Kamo to assist her. So the gap isn't as egrigious as you claim it is. And remember that transformed Mahito was overwhelmingly stronger than Yuji. His regular punches couldn't even stagger Mahito, and he only lost because of the damage he accumulated from the earlier battle. So a transformed Mahito fighting against Maki while he's fully replenished his stamina makes this a lot harder. The guidebook even states ISoDK Mahito would've

Choso was only capable of damaging Naoya because Naoya didn't understand his physiology as a Death Painting, and thus underestimated the amount of blood he could produce. Naoya is still much much MUCH stronger and faster than Choso. Not to mention, in the brief scuffle we saw of Naoya vs Choso and Yuji, he was keeping up with both of them combined, which is still impressive. Yuji in particular was stated to have gotten much better and stronger since Shibuya, despite his wounds not fully healing, so it's safet o sday he should bne comparable if not superior to his Shibuya self, who was somewhat keeping up with IBoDK Mahito and could nail him with a Black Flash

As for Cursed Spirit Naoya, after Maki did sumo with one of the reincarnated sorcerers, she completely dominated Naoya so badly that he had to resort to Domain Expansion almost immediately, which accomplished nothing.

And as for Mahito, Yuji was still capable of keeping up with a large barrage of his attacks, despite both of them being significantly injured at the time. In fact, there's a solid argument that Yuji took much more damage than Mahito did at this point, since unlike Mahito, he can't heal his own wounds at all, and before you say that Mahito was hit by black flashes before he used IBoDK, Yuji took one to the face only a couple chapters earlier, so saying that Mahito only lost cuz he was injured isn't really the best point

It's not completely irrelevant. Mahito is capable of resisting attacks to his soul and can survive Yuji's punches, even if he gets injured by them. He can change the shape of his own soul, which would include any cuts he gets from the soul-split katana.

What I meant by this is that Maki isn't just gonna get stonewalled by his Low Godly. Maki can actually kill him with the Split Soul Katana with enough hits, and her agility is more than enough to help her dodge everything he might throw at her, especially considering how badly she was outpacing Cursed Spirit Naoya

 

[That_moron2]

shot Human Naobito, who was dominating Yuji and Choso

Choso beat Naoya 1v1. He wasn’t dominating shit.

 

[That_moron2]

And as for Mahito, Yuji was still capable of keeping up with a large barrage of his attacks, despite both of them being significantly injured at the time. In fact, there's a solid argument that Yuji took much more damage than Mahito did at this point, since unlike Mahito, he can't heal his own wounds at all, and before you say that Mahito was hit by black flashes before he used IBoDK, Yuji took one to the face only a couple chapters earlier, so saying that Mahito only lost cuz he was injured isn't really the best point

Gege himself says the gap between ISBoDK and Yuji was massive. Mahito only lost because Todo gave Yuji an opening and Yuji hit him with a Maximum Black Flash.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Maki before becoming fully heavenly restricted and after being sliced from shoulder to hip by her dad completely dominated and 1 shot Human Naobito, who was dominating Yuji and Choso similarly to how ISoDK Mahito was dominating Yuji. Even after Naobito became a Cursed Spirit and became far stronger than before, Maki's complete heavenly restriction still bodied him like he was nothing, to such an extent that she was dodging him in midair, despite her lack of flight or air mobility whatsoever.

Maki's Split Soul Katana is also capable of interacting with Maki's soul, meaning his Low Godly is completely irrelevant

Maki stomps

SSK damage can be healed. Lol

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Choso was only capable of damaging Naoya because Naoya didn't understand his physiology as a Death Painting, and thus underestimated the amount of blood he could produce. Naoya is still much much MUCH stronger and faster than Choso. Not to mention, in the brief scuffle we saw of Naoya vs Choso and Yuji, he was keeping up with both of them combined, which is still impressive. Yuji in particular was stated to have gotten much better and stronger since Shibuya, despite his wounds not fully healing, so it's safet o sday he should bne comparable if not superior to his Shibuya self, who was somewhat keeping up with IBoDK Mahito and could nail him with a Black Flash

No, he wasn't. While Naoya was initially dominating Choso, Naoya was also initially dominating Maki, who couldn't land a single blow on him until she figured out how his cursed technique worked. Choso eventually learned to track Naoya's movements and landed some notable blows. Even if Naoya was taken off-guard by Choso's ability to create his own blood, Choso was still able to overpower him with his own techniques, despite Naoya's notable speed. And what if Naoya had known about Choso's ability to turn cursed energy into blood? He'd still have dodged the blood and had a harder time tracking Choso while also avoiding getting Choso's blood on his body. Not much changes. You could also say that Naoya only lost because he underestimated Maki's enhanced senses and ability to read his technique, but that wouldn't have changed much even if he knew beforehand, cuz Maki still would've beaten him with her overwhelming strength.

And in the brief scuffle with both Choso and Yuji, Naoya was only able to take them both on because they were caught off-guard by his speed. And it's not like he took any punches from both of them. If it had gone on any longer, they would've adapted to his speed and dominated Naoya by themselves. You're overestimating Naoya's performance against them, believing that he could've taken both of them on with ease. Naoya was critically injured after being hit by Choso's Supernova, and the only thing that stopped Choso from finishing the battle was Yuta interfering and knocking out Choso.

As for Cursed Spirit Naoya, after Maki did sumo with one of the reincarnated sorcerers, she completely dominated Naoya so badly that he had to resort to Domain Expansion almost immediately, which accomplished nothing.

She didn't completely dominate Naoya after doing the sumo matches. Yes, her sight and senses improved, and she could predict her surroundings better to avoid his blows. I'm not questioning these facts. But she got literally one hit against Naoya, and she had help from the other two reincarnated sorcerers who landed blows on Cursed Spirit Naoya after he was vulnerable (and that's not factoring in the damage he'd taken from the battle already, while Maki had already fully healed herself since she was in the domain expansion where time sped up). THAT'S when Naoya chose to use domain expansion. To say she utterly crushed him all by herself after doing sumo is an exaggeration.

And as for Mahito, Yuji was still capable of keeping up with a large barrage of his attacks, despite both of them being significantly injured at the time. In fact, there's a solid argument that Yuji took much more damage than Mahito did at this point, since unlike Mahito, he can't heal his own wounds at all, and before you say that Mahito was hit by black flashes before he used IBoDK, Yuji took one to the face only a couple chapters earlier, so saying that Mahito only lost cuz he was injured isn't really the best point.

Yuji was still in-the-zone through his Black Flash-enhanced state, and his wound from Mahito's black flash had been treated by Arata and prevented from getting worse, unlike Mahito, whose injuries were wearing down on him more severely and who had JUST taken a black flash from Itadori after opening his domain. Again, this was AFTER he opened his domain, when his cursed energy would've already been depleted. So taking a black flash during that period would have far more grievous effects compared to when Itadori was struck by Mahito's black flash. There is direct evidence that states Mahito was grievously damaged after the Black Flashes which hindered his performance, but no statements are made about Itadori's condition after being hit by Mahito's black flash. So Mahito's injured state should be taken with greater weight in this case.

And even with this, Mahito was still able to overpower Itadori and tank all of his blows with ease. Even if Itadori was somewhat able to keep up with Mahito at first, it didn't take long for Mahito to completely overwhelm him despite his worsening injuries. Itadori himself admits Mahito is a completely different fighter than before.

What I meant by this is that Maki isn't just gonna get stonewalled by his Low Godly. Maki can actually kill him with the Split Soul Katana with enough hits, and her agility is more than enough to help her dodge everything he might throw at her, especially considering how badly she was outpacing Cursed Spirit Naoya

Of course, the Split Soul Katana can kill Mahito with enough hits. That's the only reason I made the match: without it, Maki would have no way of harming Mahito, and it would be a stomp. And Mahito's very agile as well. In his new form, he was shown bouncing off the surroundings and attacking from multiple angles, just like Toji did against Gojo.

You're also forgetting all of Mahito's other abilities. He can still use idle transfiguration on Maki. And since this battle has SBA, he'd also have his full stock of transfigured humans to aid him and make things more difficult for Maki. Though in-character he never used the transfigured humans while in his transformed state, after seeing how powerful Maki is, he'd undoubtedly resort to using the transfigured humans to help him.

The point I'm making isn't exactly that Mahito would win. Maki's heightened senses and ability to read her opponent's movements could definitely be the deciding factor. I'm saying that Maki doesn't stomp Mahito in AP, durability or speed. They're comparable to one another.

 

[Mickey1940]

SSK damage can be healed. Lol

then why did Yuji's punches affect him at all? It's pretty clear that soul based attacks can severely wear him down, meanwhile normal physical attacks don't have any affect due to low godly. Maki can hit Mahito a LOT harder than Yuji can

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

then why did Yuji's punches affect him at all? It's pretty clear that soul based attacks can severely wear him down, meanwhile normal physical attacks don't have any affect due to low godly. Maki can hit Mahito a LOT harder than Yuji can

It's the other way around. Why Yuji punches didn't killed him? You are acting like Yuji killed Mahito with punches alone.

 

[Mickey1940]

No, he wasn't. While Naoya was initially dominating Choso, Naoya was also initially dominating Maki, who couldn't land a single blow on him until she figured out how his cursed technique worked. Choso eventually learned to track Naoya's movements and landed some notable blows. Even if Naoya was taken off-guard by Choso's ability to create his own blood, Choso was still able to overpower him with his own techniques, despite Naoya's notable speed. And what if Naoya had known about Choso's ability to turn cursed energy into blood? He'd still have dodged the blood and had a harder time tracking Choso while also avoiding getting Choso's blood on his body. Not much changes. You could also say that Naoya only lost because he underestimated Maki's enhanced senses and ability to read his technique, but that wouldn't have changed much even if he knew beforehand, cuz Maki still would've beaten him with her overwhelming strength.

1. Like I mentioned earlier, Maki received several grievous wounds from her father, one of which basically bisected her shoulder to hip, and she lost a LOT of blood, and then she proceeded to wipe out her entire clan before fighting Naoya. During the fight, despite Naoya landing several consecutive blows and slamming her through the Zenin properties multiple times, she was uninjured despite her already existing injuries, and once she figured out his technique, she blitzed and 1 shot him casually. It's pretty clear that Naoya was only able to keep up with her due to her dwindling stamina and projection hax; normally he wouldn't be comparable to her in any sense at all.
2. If Choso didn't stain Naoya's clothes with his blood earlier due to Naoya underestimating him, Naoya would have continued to remain untouchable and would have escaped the blood wave long enough to maneuver around it. Even after activating Flowing Red Scales: Stack, Naoya still continued to body him until he released that wave, which helped him catch Naoya off guard. It's made abundantly clear that Choso didn't have a chance stats wise.

My entire point of bringing up Choso in the first place was to demonstrate the scaling chain of Maki >>> Naoya >>> Choso and Post Shibuya Itadori, which you kinda supported my point there

And in the brief scuffle with both Choso and Yuji, Naoya was only able to take them both on because they were caught off-guard by his speed. And it's not like he took any punches from both of them. If it had gone on any longer, they would've adapted to his speed and dominated Naoya by themselves. You're overestimating Naoya's performance against them, believing that he could've taken both of them on with ease. Naoya was critically injured after being hit by Choso's Supernova, and the only thing that stopped Choso from finishing the battle was Yuta interfering and knocking out Choso.

Despite being caught off guard with his speed, Choso proceeded to continue geting bodied by Naoya for several minutes afterwards. Even AFTER Choso used FRS:S AND Adapted to his speed, Naoya still countered his counter and yeeted him across the tunnel, then took a flying kick from Choso unharmed after the blood wave.

Yuji is basically completely irrelevant in this scenario since he has nothing in his kit that would prove that he could handle Naoya's Projection or experience, and Choso basically just has his wave and nothing else.

The only reason why Naoya was incapacitatged after his Supernova (besides it literally being a shotgun) is that Choso still had bodily control of his clothing.

And once again, my point is that in terms of stats, Naoya easily outcompetes Choso and Yuji, and Maki can easily overwhelm that. She has higher scaling compared to Mahito, who, although he could take normal hits from Yuji, couldn't handle a Black Flash despite his increased defenses, while Maki tanked several Cleaves from Sukuna, several punches, and a Black Flash, and got back up basically unaffected, and actually tanked another one in chapter 256. Maki's pretty clearly outpaces Mahito stats wise, and is fast enough to avoid him 100% of the time

She didn't completely dominate Naoya after doing the sumo matches. Yes, her sight and senses improved, and she could predict her surroundings better to avoid his blows. I'm not questioning these facts. But she got literally one hit against Naoya, and she had help from the other two reincarnated sorcerers who landed blows on Cursed Spirit Naoya after he was vulnerable (and that's not factoring in the damage he'd taken from the battle already, while Maki had already fully healed herself since she was in the domain expansion where time sped up). THAT'S when Naoya chose to use domain expansion. To say she utterly crushed him all by herself after doing sumo is an exaggeration.

Maki spent the entire beginning of her post sumo fight literally dancing around Naoya's projection-boosted, propulsion-boosted speed to such an extent that he was playing catchup with her across the city, and she was even fast enough to dodge in midair, despit not having any flight or midair movement at all. No, she wasn't beating him down, but it's still very clear that she could have done so if she wanted. Even in terms of strength, even after Naoya expanded his Domain (which grants the user an omniboost in-lore), she STILL 1 shot him with the Split Soul Katana

She basically had ******* advanced Kenbunshoku Haki or Ultra Instinct in that chapter with the way she was violating Naoya bro. It's pretty clear that she's way faster and stronger than him despite his Projection

Yuji was still in-the-zone through his Black Flash-enhanced state, and his wound from Mahito's black flash had been treated by Arata and prevented from getting worse, unlike Mahito, whose injuries were wearing down on him more severely and who had JUST taken a black flash from Itadori after opening his domain. Again, this was AFTER he opened his domain, when his cursed energy would've already been depleted. So taking a black flash during that period would have far more grievous effects compared to when Itadori was struck by Mahito's black flash. There is direct evidence that states Mahito was grievously damaged after the Black Flashes which hindered his performance, but no statements are made about Itadori's condition after being hit by Mahito's black flash. So Mahito's injured state should be taken with greater weight in this case.

Mahito was in-the-zone from his own Blak Flash + he stacked ISBoDK + he has actual bodily regeneration while Yuji basically had nothing. Arata's technique doesn't heal wounds, it only stops bleeding and removes the pain. The damage your body takes stays exactly the same. So saying that Yuji was in a better state than Mahito was is not true.
Yes, Mahito was grieviously damaged by Yuji's Black Flash, and the only reason why Yuji wasn't staggering in his feet was cuz he was basically just on painkillers. Mahito was exhausted and his soul was strained, but physiucally he was a-ok simply cuz that's how his body works. Yuji's not physically ok at any point in this fight, especially not after Mahito's Black Flash.

Of course, the Split Soul Katana can kill Mahito with enough hits. That's the only reason I made the match: without it, Maki would have no way of harming Mahito, and it would be a stomp. And Mahito's very agile as well. In his new form, he was shown bouncing off the surroundings and attacking from multiple angles, just like Toji did against Gojo.

You're also forgetting all of Mahito's other abilities. He can still use idle transfiguration on Maki. And since this battle has SBA, he'd also have his full stock of transfigured humans to aid him and make things more difficult for Maki. Though in-character he never used the transfigured humans while in his transformed state, after seeing how powerful Maki is, he'd undoubtedly resort to using the transfigured humans to help him.

The point I'm making isn't exactly that Mahito would win. Maki's heightened senses and ability to read her opponent's movements could definitely be the deciding factor. I'm saying that Maki doesn't stomp Mahito in AP, durability or speed. They're comparable to one another.

1. Without it, Maki bullis him so badly even with her bare fists that he just ******* gives up lmao. Just because you can't injure someone doesn't mean you can't force them to surrender. Maki has comparable if not superior stamina to Mahito, and she's not getting injured anytime soon cuz 1. she's that much faster and more experienced, and 2. if Mahito touches her she's dead anyways so regardless of whether she wins or loses she isn't being injured, while Mahito will be forced to tank blow after blow after blow, which, thanks to the Nanami fight and Jumpjutsu Kaisen scene, we know still work despite his Low Godly, simply because stamina is still a factor he needs to worry about.
If she has the Katana then it'll just be the same thing except he actually dies instead of just being bullied for hours and hours

2. Maki can just slash through the transfigured humans without much issue since they're poopoo stinky weak, especially the normal one. Even the advanced ones got 1 shot by Todo, and Maki is much faster and stronger than Todo. Transfigured humans aren't going to be a significant factor, especially since Maki can sense where Mahito is since she can feel everything around herself at all times.


I do want to mention that I haven't even begun to properly discuss Speed yet.

Mahito even with ISBoDK couldn't fully outpace an In-The-Zone Yuji, who's operating at 120% of his full potential. Regular Yuji fought in tandem with Megumi, whom even with the help of the likes of Nanami and Maki, was getting overwhelmed by Dagon, who got easily outsped by Naobito, who's comparable to Naoya, who is much slower than his Cursed Spirit self, who got omegablitzed by Maki with no effort to such an extent that Naoya couldn't land a single hit. It's a pretty vast scaling chain
TLDR Maki blitzes someone so bad that they can't touch her, and that someone is faster than his previous self who's comparable to his father who can blitz someone who is faster than Megumi who's only 20% slower than Mahito

To make it easier, Mahito scales 20% faster than this calc which puts him at 113.75 m/s * 1.2 which is 136.5 m/s, while Maki could easily bully Cursed Spirit Naobito, who can reach Mach 3 if not higher, and Mach 3 is 1029 m/s
Maki can blitz someone who is at least nearly 7.5 times faster than Mahito
so yeah no Mahito isn't touching her

TLDR the biggest problem Mahito has in this fight is speed, which he has zero way of dealing with since he's 7.5 times slower than someone who already can't touch Maki at all. There's really no reason to assume that he can do anything here, even with his hax and transfigured humans.

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

1. Like I mentioned earlier, Maki received several grievous wounds from her father, one of which basically bisected her shoulder to hip, and she lost a LOT of blood, and then she proceeded to wipe out her entire clan before fighting Naoya. During the fight, despite Naoya landing several consecutive blows and slamming her through the Zenin properties multiple times, she was uninjured despite her already existing injuries, and once she figured out his technique, she blitzed and 1 shot him casually. It's pretty clear that Naoya was only able to keep up with her due to her dwindling stamina and projection hax; normally he wouldn't be comparable to her in any sense at all.
2. If Choso didn't stain Naoya's clothes with his blood earlier due to Naoya underestimating him, Naoya would have continued to remain untouchable and would have escaped the blood wave long enough to maneuver around it. Even after activating Flowing Red Scales: Stack, Naoya still continued to body him until he released that wave, which helped him catch Naoya off guard. It's made abundantly clear that Choso didn't have a chance stats wise.

My entire point of bringing up Choso in the first place was to demonstrate the scaling chain of Maki >>> Naoya >>> Choso and Post Shibuya Itadori, which you kinda supported my point there

While Naoya was able to catch him by surprise with his cursed technique, Choso still adapted and injured him. That's not proof that Naoya out-stats him, and Naoya already had a lot of knowledge about blood manipulation regardless which helped him in the battle. If Choso had prior knowledge about Naoya's technique, you could make the same argument that Choso only lost because he was caught off-guard.

Another thing that needs to be considered is that the punch that defeated Naoya wasn't entirely from Maki's strength. Naoya had already built up to his top speed when he charged toward her. So she was able to use the momentum he'd built up and use it against him with her punch. It's even stated outright on the JJK fandom website.

Despite being caught off guard with his speed, Choso proceeded to continue geting bodied by Naoya for several minutes afterwards. Even AFTER Choso used FRS:S AND Adapted to his speed, Naoya still countered his counter and yeeted him across the tunnel, then took a flying kick from Choso unharmed after the blood wave.

Yuji is basically completely irrelevant in this scenario since he has nothing in his kit that would prove that he could handle Naoya's Projection or experience, and Choso basically just has his wave and nothing else.

The only reason why Naoya was incapacitatged after his Supernova (besides it literally being a shotgun) is that Choso still had bodily control of his clothing.

And once again, my point is that in terms of stats, Naoya easily outcompetes Choso and Yuji, and Maki can easily overwhelm that. She has higher scaling compared to Mahito, who, although he could take normal hits from Yuji, couldn't handle a Black Flash despite his increased defenses, while Maki tanked several Cleaves from Sukuna, several punches, and a Black Flash, and got back up basically unaffected, and actually tanked another one in chapter 256. Maki's pretty clearly outpaces Mahito stats wise, and is fast enough to avoid him 100% of the time

I'm not trying to argue that Choso is stronger than Maki. But Naoya didn't completely overpower Choso. Both were able to fend against the other and adapt throughout the battle, but Choso managed to adapt quicker and use his Blood manipulation in a more unique way. Yuji even said that Mahito's hardened body was more durable than Choso's Blood Hardening. That's just another testament to Mahito's durability.

You can't compare Maki's feats and Mahito's feats, either. Maki only tanked several attacks from Sukuna after having been severely weakened from his repeated battles and tanking Angel's technique, which seriously depleted his cursed energy and stamina. He's nowhere near his top form by the time Maki fights Sukuna. And Yuji only defeated Mahito with the Black Flash because he left an opening to exploit, but was tricked by Todo and allowed Yuji to land a Black Flash while he was undefended. On top of all the previous damage piled up, Mahito was doomed to lose with this Black Flash.

Maki spent the entire beginning of her post sumo fight literally dancing around Naoya's projection-boosted, propulsion-boosted speed to such an extent that he was playing catchup with her across the city, and she was even fast enough to dodge in midair, despit not having any flight or midair movement at all. No, she wasn't beating him down, but it's still very clear that she could have done so if she wanted. Even in terms of strength, even after Naoya expanded his Domain (which grants the user an omniboost in-lore), she STILL 1 shot him with the Split Soul Katana

After he'd already been grievously wounded from his battles, and it's also stated that he has a weak defense in exchange for his speed, so not the best argument.

She basically had ******* advanced Kenbunshoku Haki or Ultra Instinct in that chapter with the way she was violating Naoya bro. It's pretty clear that she's way faster and stronger than him despite his Projection

Mahito was in-the-zone from his own Blak Flash + he stacked ISBoDK + he has actual bodily regeneration while Yuji basically had nothing. Arata's technique doesn't heal wounds, it only stops bleeding and removes the pain. The damage your body takes stays exactly the same. So saying that Yuji was in a better state than Mahito was is not true.
Yes, Mahito was grieviously damaged by Yuji's Black Flash, and the only reason why Yuji wasn't staggering in his feet was cuz he was basically just on painkillers. Mahito was exhausted and his soul was strained, but physiucally he was a-ok simply cuz that's how his body works. Yuji's not physically ok at any point in this fight, especially not after Mahito's Black Flash.

Yuji has shown insane endurance and an ability to continue fighting unhindered despite critical injuries. So unless there's direct statements that indicate Yuji's injuries were hindering his stamina or performance like Mahito, or how Maki's injuries against Ohgi hindered her stamina, Yuji's injuries should be taken as a greater measure of who was more disadvantaged in their final fight.

1. Without it, Maki bullis him so badly even with her bare fists that he just ******* gives up lmao. Just because you can't injure someone doesn't mean you can't force them to surrender. Maki has comparable if not superior stamina to Mahito, and she's not getting injured anytime soon cuz 1. she's that much faster and more experienced, and 2. if Mahito touches her she's dead anyways so regardless of whether she wins or loses she isn't being injured, while Mahito will be forced to tank blow after blow after blow, which, thanks to the Nanami fight and Jumpjutsu Kaisen scene, we know still work despite his Low Godly, simply because stamina is still a factor he needs to worry about.
If she has the Katana then it'll just be the same thing except he actually dies instead of just being bullied for hours and hours

Physical attacks have absolutely no effect on Mahito. Only thing she can do is used the soul split katana, and it's very unlikely she'd be able to outlast him purely with physical attacks.

2. Maki can just slash through the transfigured humans without much issue since they're poopoo stinky weak, especially the normal one. Even the advanced ones got 1 shot by Todo, and Maki is much faster and stronger than Todo. Transfigured humans aren't going to be a significant factor, especially since Maki can sense where Mahito is since she can feel everything around herself at all times.

They could still serve as viable distractions and focus her attention away from Mahito long enough for him to get close and transmute her with idle transfiguration.

I do want to mention that I haven't even begun to properly discuss Speed yet.

Mahito even with ISBoDK couldn't fully outpace an In-The-Zone Yuji, who's operating at 120% of his full potential. Regular Yuji fought in tandem with Megumi, whom even with the help of the likes of Nanami and Maki, was getting overwhelmed by Dagon, who got easily outsped by Naobito, who's comparable to Naoya, who is much slower than his Cursed Spirit self, who got omegablitzed by Maki with no effort to such an extent that Naoya couldn't land a single hit. It's a pretty vast scaling chain
TLDR Maki blitzes someone so bad that they can't touch her, and that someone is faster than his previous self who's comparable to his father who can blitz someone who is faster than Megumi who's only 20% slower than Mahito

To make it easier, Mahito scales 20% faster than this calc which puts him at 113.75 m/s * 1.2 which is 136.5 m/s, while Maki could easily bully Cursed Spirit Naobito, who can reach Mach 3 if not higher, and Mach 3 is 1029 m/s
Maki can blitz someone who is at least nearly 7.5 times faster than Mahito
so yeah no Mahito isn't touching her

TLDR the biggest problem Mahito has in this fight is speed, which he has zero way of dealing with since he's 7.5 times slower than someone who already can't touch Maki at all. There's really no reason to assume that he can do anything here, even with his hax and transfigured humans.

Ok, there's a lot of things wrong with this. It appears you also have a fundamental misunderstanding about Naoya and Naobito's speed. They require time to build up the frames that allow them to move at the supersonic speed. They don't constantly move at the supersonic speed that allows them to blitz other characters. Maki intercepted human Naoya at his top speed, which was already calced. Cursed Spirit Naoya was shown to have spun around multiple times, preparing before he reached his Mach 3 speed. So it took time and build-up to reach his top speed. When Maki awakened, she immediately chased after him before he got the chance to build up his top speed. So you can't say that he was charging at her with his top Mach 3 speed after she'd truly awakened. If that was the case, the narration would've made that clearer or it would've been added to her profile. Both their profiles list them as subsonic+, and even if Maki is slightly faster, it's not egregious enough of a gap that she can dodge all his attacks.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

SSK damage can be healed. Lol

Mahito can't heal soul damage. That was obvious from the fight against Mechamaru

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Mahito can't heal soul damage. That was obvious from the fight against Mechamaru

I'm pretty sure Mahito healed his wounds it was just Mechamaru assumption that Mahito didn't healed it. Even after the fight we don't see any side effects. Not to mention if he didn't healed his soul his arm would have been missing.

I'll check the scans later kinda busy right now.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

He didnt healed, he just changed the shape of his body to make a new arm, but the soul was still damaged

Literally, if Mahito could heal the soul just fine, Itadori wouldnt be a trouble to him

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

He didnt healed, he just changed the shape of his body to make a new arm, but the soul was still damaged

Literally, if Mahito could heal the soul just fine, Itadori wouldnt be a trouble to him

Mahito healed the damage, but it just takes a lot more cursed energy to heal the damage to his soul instead of just maintaining its shape from regular attacks.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

He didnt

That thing of Mahito healing from soul damage really piss me off since it ruins the whole concept of the character. Like, fr, why Itadori would be a dangerous enemy if his attacks were so easy to heal from?

You can interact with the soul? Cool, you can now kill Mahito

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He didnt

That thing of Mahito healing from soul damage really piss me off since it ruins the whole concept of the character. Like, fr, why Itadori would be a dangerous enemy if his attacks were so easy to heal from?

You can interact with the soul? Cool, you can now kill Mahito

I think Yuji punches works in a different manner than SSK. His punches might just weaken his soul just like how currently Sukuna's body is getting weakened.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Thats something that he learned in the most recent arc.

Itadori, for example, didn't affected Meguna when fightning him alongisde Maki

He also didnt affected the soul of any reincarnated sorcerer that he fought

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Thats something that he learned in the most recent arc.

Itadori, for example, didn't affected Meguna when fightning him alongisde Maki

He also didnt affected the soul of any reincarnated sorcerer that he fought

I guess he was could do that against Mahito because he could instinctively sense it. His max BF reverted Mahito's transformation to his base, just like how he's currently trying to return Sukuna's transformation to Megumi. I blame Gege for this lack of proper explanation.

 

[That_moron2]

He also didnt affected the soul of any reincarnated sorcerer that he fought

Did he even fight any reincarnated sorcerers?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The sorcerers with airplane and helicopter heads are maybe reincarnated sorcerers, but its not sure

 

[Mizuki67]

I'm going with maki for reasons not stated and that is in my view her intelligence and speed, she's like toji who was too fast for gojo to even fully recognize or follow with six eyes, additionally, she can analytically predict bro next move, domain expansion won't work+ split soul katana will bypass his durability, so maki can accurately blitz mahito before he makes physical contact with her

 

[That_moron2]

toji who was too fast for gojo to even fully recognize or follow with six eyes

Six Eyes doesn't mean anything for things without Cursed Energy.
Also Mahito could be faster than Jogo as his full power (that is, ISBoDK) is implied to be above Jogo

Who is =<Naobito

Same Naobito is faster than Naoya

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm going with maki for reasons not stated and that is in my view her intelligence and speed, she's like toji who was too fast for gojo to even fully recognize or follow with six eyes, additionally, she can analytically predict bro next move, domain expansion won't work+ split soul katana will bypass his durability, so maki can accurately blitz mahito before he makes physical contact with her

That Gojo should lose to Mahito. LMAO.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Also Mahito could be faster than Jogo as his full power (that is, ISBoDK) is implied to be above Jogo

ISBoDK is never stated to be his peak, its just where he learned the true shape of his being. He had much more room to grow

Beside, ISBoDK > Jogo doesnt make sense when Jogo does have so many better feats and statements that its laughable

• Gege stated that Kenjaku would have trouble against Jogo
• Kenjaku wanted Jogo just like Mahito, mainly due to his level of power
• Sees Kusakabe as a ant, the strongest grade 1 sorcerer

Mahito aint stronger than Jogo

 

[That_moron2]

• Gege stated that Kenjaku would have trouble against Jogo

And Mahito

• Kenjaku wanted Jogo just like Mahito, mainly due to his level of power

Kenjaku wanting them both doesn't say anything about Jogo being superior.

• Sees Kusakabe as a ant, the strongest grade 1 sorcerer

Kusakabe has lower A.P than Nanami, who could only break an early Mahito's leg with Ratio+Overtime amps



and by the time of his fight with Yuji he was practically uninjured from a Ratio strike from Nanami

And he's far stronger by Shibuya and then gets stronger throughout it, until ISBoDK which is 200% stronger than what he was before (which was already above Kusakabe).

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

And Mahito

Yes, because Mahito is a being who can only be damaged when hitting the soul, as well being capable to change your body by touching you. Jogo is just raw power and speed. Both are for different reasons

Kenjaku wanting them both doesn't say anything about Jogo being superior.

Kenjaku wanted Mahito due to the CT. Without Mahito he wouldn't have been capable to start the Culling Game

Now Jogo? Kenjaku just wanted him due to his power level

who could only break an early Mahito's leg with Ratio+Overtime amps

So
Its not as if he was trying to do anything else. Plus, Nanami could have blown up Mahito with one punch. He was also extremly tired and damaged

and by the time of his fight with Yuji he was practically uninjured from a Ratio strike from Nanami

Bro was dying
Like, why are you using this? Do you want me to believe that Mahito was stronger than Jogo at this point of the story? Thats the same Arc where he got oneshotted by Sukuna and then said "This bum is weaker than Jogo"

And he's far stronger by Shibuya and then gets stronger throughout it, until ISBoDK which is 200% stronger than what he was before (which was already above Kusakabe).

AP doesnt matter at all. Kusakabe is still superior to Nanami (and its not as if Nanami was in another whole level in terms of strength), and he is still seen as nothing but a ant.

 

[That_moron2]

Yes, because Mahito is a being who can only be damaged when hitting the soul, as well being capable to change your body by touching you. Jogo is just raw power and speed. Both are for different reasons

No proof of that.

Kenjaku wanted Mahito due to the CT. Without Mahito he wouldn't have been capable to start the Culling Game

Now Jogo? Kenjaku just wanted him due to his power level

Kenjaku can want him for multiple reasons. Also Kenjaku could just have shlorped him with CSM if the gap is as big as you’re implying.

So
Its not as if he was trying to do anything else

Cutting his leg off would have been far more effective.

Plus, Nanami could have blown up Mahito with one punch.

He does not say that. He says that would be a way to defeat him, which he attempts to accomplish by burying him, rather than just hitting him.

Bro was dying

Nanami’s hits were no threat to him, only Yuji could properly damage him Mahito, this combined with the fact he’s not coughing up blood or anything makes me think he’s talking about Yuji.

Do you want me to believe that Mahito was stronger than Jogo at this point of the story?

No, just that he's stronger than Nanami

AP doesnt matter at all

It really does.

Kusakabe is still superior to Nanami (and its not as if Nanami was in another whole level in terms of strength), and he is still seen as nothing but a ant.

Kusakabe is in no way implied to be massively above Nanami or Mei Mei.

 

[Mickey1940]

While Naoya was able to catch him by surprise with his cursed technique, Choso still adapted and injured him. That's not proof that Naoya out-stats him, and Naoya already had a lot of knowledge about blood manipulation regardless which helped him in the battle. If Choso had prior knowledge about Naoya's technique, you could make the same argument that Choso only lost because he was caught off-guard.

Naoya very clearly outspeeds him for obvious reasons due to how projection works
Naoya is either on par with or outclasses him in terms of AP as well since he took one of Choso's blows (flying kick) better than Choso took his blows
Even after Choso adapted to Projection, Naoya still suplexed him across the tunnel

so no Choso wasn't caught off guard, he had time to adapt and stil couldn't handle projection until he used wave and splashed Naoya's clothing with blood

Another thing that needs to be considered is that the punch that defeated Naoya wasn't entirely from Maki's strength. Naoya had already built up to his top speed when he charged toward her. So she was able to use the momentum he'd built up and use it against him with her punch. It's even stated outright on the JJK fandom website.

crashing into someone at not even mach 3 doesn't equate to enough AP to 1 shot someone. Maki contributed a vast portion of the force necessary to achieve that. It would make more sense if he was faster but he isn't, so it's not significant enough to matter

Even if Maki didn't straight up 1 shot him, Maki was fatigued, extremely injured, and casual, and still crippled Naoya with a single blow. It's reasonable enough to assume a healthy Maki would be capable of doing the same thing

I'm not trying to argue that Choso is stronger than Maki. But Naoya didn't completely overpower Choso. Both were able to fend against the other and adapt throughout the battle, but Choso managed to adapt quicker and use his Blood manipulation in a more unique way. Yuji even said that Mahito's hardened body was more durable than Choso's Blood Hardening. That's just another testament to Mahito's durability.

Naoya was pretty clearly dominating Choso in the beginning of their fight, and Choso was becoming visibly injured by his blows. Even after activating Flowing Red Scales: Stack, Naoya was still able to physically hurt him by throwing him across the room.even if you disregard speed, in terms of raw AP, Naoya should be stronger than Choso. Yes, Naoya took a lot of damage from Supernova, but it was mostly due to Naoya's body not being compatable with nonuman blood, to such an extent that Naoya vomited soon after he was hit by the attack. It's likely that if he wasn't "poisoned" in such way, he probably would have continued the fight.

In terms of his durability, yes, Mahito is more durable than Choso's blood, but Mahito's ISBoDK is stated to provide a 200% increase in durability, which, since his base dura is 49.3 Tons, should put him at 147.9 Tons, while Maki is relative to an injured post Black Flash Original Form 19 Finger Sukuna, who should at least be comparable to his 10% 15 Finger form in Megumi's body, who's full power is relative tthan than Urame, who has one of the only 2 Low 7C Calcs on this websitre, who's 2.95 Kilotons. Divide that by 10 for the 10%, and you get 295 tons, more than enough to bash through ISBoDK. Even if you use the other Low 7C Calc of Ryu (who shit his pants in Sukuna's presence and got 1 shot by him), you get 172 tons, still more than enough to get through ISBoDK. So either way, Maki's stronger

You can't compare Maki's feats and Mahito's feats, either. Maki only tanked several attacks from Sukuna after having been severely weakened from his repeated battles and tanking Angel's technique, which seriously depleted his cursed energy and stamina. He's nowhere near his top form by the time Maki fights Sukuna. And Yuji only defeated Mahito with the Black Flash because he left an opening to exploit, but was tricked by Todo and allowed Yuji to land a Black Flash while he was undefended. On top of all the previous damage piled up, Mahito was doomed to lose with this Black Flash.

Except Maki fought 15 Finger Sukuna before that happened, who still scales higher than Mahito.
As much as I agree that both Sukuna and Mahito were not at top form, even if they were the calculation I made above still should apply

After he'd already been grievously wounded from his battles, and it's also stated that he has a weak defense in exchange for his speed, so not the best argument.

Naobito's durability when in propulsion mode is considered to be "a lot higher" than Hanami's, and a fully awakened Maki bashed him into the ground despite the fact that he was going much faster (and more durable due to his body's natural reaction to his speed) than he was when he performed the Mach 3 feat, due to his bloodlust at the time.

Yuji has shown insane endurance and an ability to continue fighting unhindered despite critical injuries. So unless there's direct statements that indicate Yuji's injuries were hindering his stamina or performance like Mahito, or how Maki's injuries against Ohgi hindered her stamina, Yuji's injuries should be taken as a greater measure of who was more disadvantaged in their final fight.

you're proving my point here, my point is that Mahito was healthier than Yuji at the time since Yuji was actually physically injured while Mahito was not. Sure, Mahito's stamina took a hit after eating a Black Flash and using Domain Expansion, but Yuji's not exactly in the best situation either. Both combattants are capable of eating black Flashes from each other, and both characters can survive beatdowns from each other as well, but Mahito's injuries don't stick like a normal person's would, despite his soul being damaged
As for Maki, it's stated in the chapter that she lost a lot of blood and she had a long fight with the Kukuru and Hei, as well as the fact that a drawn out battle with Naoya is "unfavorable for her" because of those reasons, so it's safe to say that her injuries were hindering her performance

Physical attacks have absolutely no effect on Mahito. Only thing she can do is used the soul split katana, and it's very unlikely she'd be able to outlast him purely with physical attacks.

Physcial attacks do have an effect on Mahito as shown against Nanami, who in his Overtime mode could lop off Mahito's leg and force Mahito to say "I should probably dodge that"
Enough physical attacks are capable of killing Mahito so long as you overwhelm him to the point that he runs out of Cursed Energy, which, considering how he's burning Cursed Energy to maintain ISBoDK, and considering Maki's large AP advantage and colossal speed advantage, means he's definitely running out first. Maki still can defeat him even without the Split Soul Katana; the sword just makes it that much easier.

They could still serve as viable distractions and focus her attention away from Mahito long enough for him to get close and transmute her with idle transfiguration.

Except Maki is still much much much faster and can still sense Mahito at all times, while the exact opposite is true for Mahito, so no they aren't really helping him

Ok, there's a lot of things wrong with this. It appears you also have a fundamental misunderstanding about Naoya and Naobito's speed. They require time to build up the frames that allow them to move at the supersonic speed. They don't constantly move at the supersonic speed that allows them to blitz other characters. Maki intercepted human Naoya at his top speed, which was already calced. Cursed Spirit Naoya was shown to have spun around multiple times, preparing before he reached his Mach 3 speed. So it took time and build-up to reach his top speed. When Maki awakened, she immediately chased after him before he got the chance to build up his top speed. So you can't say that he was charging at her with his top Mach 3 speed after she'd truly awakened. If that was the case, the narration would've made that clearer or it would've been added to her profile. Both their profiles list them as subsonic+, and even if Maki is slightly faster, it's not egregious enough of a gap that she can dodge all his attacks.

He spun around to escape Kamo's ropes, not to build speed, as he stood still in order to freeze air to make a distraction in order to safely start buiilding speed, which took a couple of seconds (long enough for Kamo and Maki to have a small convo) before ramming Maki headfirst. After Maki Awakened, not only was Naoya bloodlusted, but he was stated by Kamo to have started accelerating again, and never stopped until Maki punched hinm out of the air, so even with your logic Maki is still faster since she ultra instinct dodged everything Naoya threw at her despite him being at top speed AND being bloodlusted

so yeah no, if Maki can dodge Naoya, she can definitely dodge Mahito, and she's still much stronger than Mahito despite everything, and her Katana can carve up Mahito's soul and kill him.

 

[Mickey1940]

Mahito healed the damage, but it just takes a lot more cursed energy to heal the damage to his soul instead of just maintaining its shape from regular attacks.

This is true, I agree with this. This is why he was fully healthy between arcs; he needs much more time to heal his soul, and that's why Yuji could have killed him

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Bump

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Mahito FRA, I don't see Maki overwhelming him in strength and he's also more versatile and intelligent

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Maki's SSK splits the soul but does not destroy it. I believe Mahito can reattach his soul, considering he split his own soul during the Shibuya incident. Also, his IQ should be higher than Maki's. I'm voting for Mahito, assuming this isn't a necro thread.

 

[Mickey1940]

Mahito FRA, I don't see Maki overwhelming him in strength and he's also more versatile and intelligent

uh what

Fully Realized Maki >>> Time Cell Moon Palace Cursed Naoya > Cursed Naoya > Initial HR Maki >>> Alive Naoya > Choso < ISBoDK Mahito

Mahito with ISBoDK scales to 3 times his own calc which is 49.3 tons, which puts him at 147.9 tons
Maki before the Shinjuku Showdown scales to 10% Megukuna who's full power surpasses Urame who is 2.95 Kilotons, or 2950 tons, meaning if you divide that by 10, you get 295 tons, nearly twice that of Mahito

Mahito's speed scales over 3 times Jogo's speed calc, making him Mach 0.99, or basically just Mach 1
Maki could completely violate Cursed Naoya to such an extent that she could casually dodge him in midair, despite her lack of any sort of aerial mobility or ability to move herself in the air at all, despite Naoya being able to move at Mach 3. She didn't get hit a single time after becoming fully realized.

As for the intelligence part, Mahito's Genius level comes from his immense vesatility and innovation using Idle Transfiguration, which is admittedly impressive
The problem is, ISBoDK prevents him from actually using it on himself, which is 99% of his Genius justification. Sure, he can innovate with any humans he has on hand but he can't channel ID through them so they aren't nearly as dangerous as the other things he can do. All he really has is punching, using his tail-like thing, and using his transfigured humans. Maki, meanwhile, pretty obviously bodies him in close combat due to her much higher experience and complete reliance on it, not to mention her AP and speed advantages. Maki's battle proficiency was enough to even impress Sukuna. If she gets close Mahito gets carved open like a pumpkin

Maki's SSK splits the soul but does not destroy it. I believe Mahito can reattach his soul, considering he split his own soul during the Shibuya incident. Also, his IQ should be higher than Maki's. I'm voting for Mahito, assuming this isn't a necro thread.

so you're saying he can't survive his soul being punched, but he can survive his soul being foribly slashed in half?

self-duplication and being sliced in 2 are 2 very different things

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

uh what

Fully Realized Maki >>> Time Cell Moon Palace Cursed Naoya > Cursed Naoya > Initial HR Maki >>> Alive Naoya > Choso < ISBoDK Mahito

In which Manga Alive Naoya > Choso

so you're saying he can't survive his soul being punched, but he can survive his soul being foribly slashed in half?

self-duplication and being sliced in 2 are 2 very different things

Yuji punches > SSK lol
If you caught up with the manga you would already know how Sukuna can SSK damage but not Yuji punches

 

[Mickey1940]

In which Manga Alive Naoya > Choso

Naoya was able to keep up with Yuji and Choso simultaneously, albeit briefly. After separating them, Naoya was bodying Choso before and after he used Flowing Red Scales: Stack, which grants Choso an omniboost, and could fling him across the tunnel they were fighting in

Choso only won because Naoya didn't know he was a curse and thus had access to a ton of blood, AND that his blood is poisonous to Naoya

Yuji punches > SSK lol
If you caught up with the manga you would already know how Sukuna can SSK damage but not Yuji punches

?????

Sukuna has been taking repeated hits from literally everyone in the cast. He's been taking hits from the likes of Gojo, Yuji, and Maki for over 40 chapters. Of course the damage is gonna stick after a while, especially with repeated attacks. Sukuna tanked 8 Black Flashes from Yuji with basically no impact at all, despite Yuji channeling Dismantle with every strike, and even after throwing up one of his fingers after even MORE Dismantles, he could still momentarily resist Jacobs Ladder, which has the same effect.

Maki's sword might not be the best example of Soul Manipulation we have in the verse, but Mahito wouldn't be able to regenerate the soul damage he does take in the middle of combat, especially since Maki vastly outperforms him physically, has prior knowledge of his abilities, has better stamina (Mahito nearly died from all of his interactions with Yuji despite not receiving lethal blows, while Maki could kill her entire clan including Naoya while bleeding out and having her stomach and chest slashed open), and can speedblitz someone who's much faster than Mahito to such an extent that she couldn't be hit a single time.

Mahito's soul manipulation also isn't perfect, considering how he was unable to one shot Nanami with it during their initial encounter (in fact Nanami basically took no damage at all), and touching Nobara with it was only good enough to blow her eye out (and possibly kill her but we all know it ain't Nobarover). Considering Maki's inherent resistance to ALL cursed techniques, even if she does get hit once she's most likely not gonna be affected too badly from it, and since she outspeeds him so massively there's no reason to assume she'll get hit in the first place

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Naoya was able to keep up with Yuji and Choso simultaneously, albeit briefly. After separating them, Naoya was bodying Choso before and after he used Flowing Red Scales: Stack, which grants Choso an omniboost, and could fling him across the tunnel they were fighting in

That's a speed feat for Naoya not AP. Fling hum across the tunnel with minor scratches?

Choso only won because Naoya didn't know he was a curse and thus had access to a ton of blood, AND that his blood is poisonous to Naoya

Seems like you are the type of guys who uses "if" scenario more often without even reading the context behind the fights.

Choso's FRS durability already above what Naoya can do any damage dude was a coward enough to use Cursed tool to damage him. He also stated he needed that tool to damage him because he is tough.

Choso also can amp beyond that durability of his with Blood Manipulation Mahitos durability scales above that.

Naoya only had chance against Choso with Top speed. Beside there is no confirmation for Naoya to even beat Choso when he can amp his sts with Blood Manipulation far beyond what Naoya has seen. Naoya was talking about FRS Choso here not in his peak durability mode. Not to mention Naoya was fighting weakened Choso who had been tired due to continuous fights throughout the night while Naoya was fresh out to the fight.

?????

Sukuna has been taking repeated hits from literally everyone in the cast. He's been taking hits from the likes of Gojo, Yuji, and Maki for over 40 chapters. Of course the damage is gonna stick after a while, especially with repeated attacks. Sukuna tanked 8 Black Flashes from Yuji with basically no impact at all, despite Yuji channeling Dismantle with every strike, and even after throwing up one of his fingers after even MORE Dismantles, he could still momentarily resist Jacobs Ladder, which has the same effect.

Maki's sword might not be the best example of Soul Manipulation we have in the verse, but Mahito wouldn't be able to regenerate the soul damage he does take in the middle of combat, especially since Maki vastly outperforms him physically, has prior knowledge of his abilities, has better stamina (Mahito nearly died from all of his interactions with Yuji despite not receiving lethal blows, while Maki could kill her entire clan including Naoya while bleeding out and having her stomach and chest slashed open), and can speedblitz someone who's much faster than Mahito to such an extent that she couldn't be hit a single time.

Mahito's soul manipulation also isn't perfect, considering how he was unable to one shot Nanami with it during their initial encounter (in fact Nanami basically took no damage at all), and touching Nobara with it was only good enough to blow her eye out (and possibly kill her but we all know it ain't Nobarover). Considering Maki's inherent resistance to ALL cursed techniques, even if she does get hit once she's most likely not gonna be affected too badly from it, and since she outspeeds him so massively there's no reason to assume she'll get hit in the first place

Not reading alot knowing it's Baseless claims. I would go with what Sukuna said. He can heal from SSK damage but he can't use RCT to heal Yuji soul damage punches.

 

[Mickey1940]

That's a speed feat for Naoya not AP. Fling hum across the tunnel with minor scratches?

First image: Naoya takes Choso aback physically with his punches, to such an extent that Choso couldn't control his cursed technique. This isn't just a speed feat.
Second image is Naoya dodging Piercing Blood even without his 24FPS technique, despite Choso buffing himself with Flowing Red Scales: Stack.
Third image is Naoya blocking a kick from Choso after he uses Flowing Red Scales: Stack with no visible injury whatsoever

It's made very clear that Naoya is stronger than Base Choso, can still easily block hits from FRS:S Choso, and is faster than him in all of his forms

Seems like you are the type of guys who uses "if" scenario more often without even reading the context behind the fights.

Choso's FRS durability already above what Naoya can do any damage dude was a coward enough to use Cursed tool to damage him. He also stated he needed that tool to damage him because he is tough.

Choso also can amp beyond that durability of his with Blood Manipulation Mahitos durability scales above that.

Naoya only had chance against Choso with Top speed. Beside there is no confirmation for Naoya to even beat Choso when he can amp his sts with Blood Manipulation far beyond what Naoya has seen. Naoya was talking about FRS Choso here not in his peak durability mode. Not to mention Naoya was fighting weakened Choso who had been tired due to continuous fights throughout the night while Naoya was fresh out to the fight.

1. Naoya got shotgun blasted by Convergence point blank and the only thing he was concerned about was the poisonous blood in his system
2. Naoya used a normal knife. His point was to induce bleeding to wear out Choso's technique, not realizing Choso is a Death Painting and thus wouldn't run out of blood
3. Yes, I agree Mahito's more durable than Choso. I'm not saying Naoya can break through Choso's hardened blood. The scaling chain I provided was that Naoya and Mahito were both stronger than Choso, not Naoya is stronger than Mahito
4. I'm pretty sure fighting fodder for a few hours isn't gonna tire someone like Choso out, especially with his superhuman stamina, regeneration, and physiology

Not reading alot knowing it's Baseless claims. I would go with what Sukuna said. He can heal from SSK damage but he can't use RCT to heal Yuji soul damage punches.

uh
so
you're basically saying
you're too lazy to read?
we're in a vs debate. You can't use "I'm not even gonna bother reading what you say because I don't believe you" as an argument


You've also ignored the speed and ap calcs I mentioned in favor of just talking about Choso, who frankly doesn't really matter in this thread

Like your arguments boil down to "Mahito is really strong trust" and "SSK won't do anything", the first of which doesn't have any weight in a debate and the second blatantly isn't true.

You claim that SSK won't do anything cuz Mahito can split himself but that's like saying anyone who can duplicate themselves is immune to slashing attacks.

 

[Mickey1940]

The whole durability thing doesn't even matter in the first place since SSK ignores durability, so it doesn't matter how durable Choso, or Mahito, is since the sword just cuts straight through it anyways

The worst part out of all of this is that Mahito's Binding Vow prevents him from transfiguring his body besides his tendrils while using ISBoDK, meaning if he gets slashed in half, he needs to deactivate ISBoDK to actually regenerate himself, meaning he gets slower and weaker until he regenerates