Mahoraga vs Yoru

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I think the High 3-A damage reduction makes more sense cuz if they had High 3-A durability, Sorcerers wouldn't be able to harm them even tho they have the capacity to exorcise them unless CE was durability mitigation to like a High 3-A extent. High 3-A damage reduction on the basis of strength not mattering when exorcising them (and the fact the verse has High 3-A stuff in it) should be fine imo.

Bro, its literally Stand Invul Shenanigans all over again and you don't see them with this whack ass inflated stat on their profiles.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Wouldn't the better argument for Mahoraga surviving the nuke be that if he receives any attack that generates heat from Asa before she uses the nuke, he'd already have adapted to heat by the time she uses the nuke and thus not get vaporized by it? She has a grenade, and I'm sure she has other bs like flamethrowers or whatever that she'd use before a nuke.

Bro, its literally Stand Invul Shenanigans all over again and you don't see them with this whack ass inflated stat on their profiles.

Damage reduction wouldn't be a stat, it'd be an ability

 

[Zabazab]

have adapted to heat

It is 15°C, which is "heat", therefore Makora has already adapted to taking a dip in the sun.

 

[Arkenis]

Sadly this isn't rage bait, he literally just tank the pressure of true sphere and that dumb Megumi statement is not a 100% thing, nor is it provable when people literally can't sense or feel curses on them.

 

[LaserPrecision]

It is 15°C, which is "heat", therefore Makora has already adapted to taking a dip in the sun.

lol, true

 

[Catbowtie]

Wouldn't the better argument for Mahoraga surviving the nuke be that if he receives any attack that generates heat from Asa before she uses the nuke, he'd already have adapted to heat by the time she uses the nuke and thus not get vaporized by it? She has a grenade, and I'm sure she has other bs like flamethrowers or whatever that she'd use before a nuke.

Wouldn't it just be the heat Mahoraga was exposed to? A temperature of the literal sun is quite the gap compared to the heat of a grenade, no?

 

[Arkenis]

Bro, its literally Stand Invul Shenanigans all over again and you don't see them with this whack ass inflated stat on their profiles.

stands are outdated and should definitely all be high 3-A lmao

 

[Machmatej]

Wouldn't the better argument for Mahoraga surviving the nuke be that if he receives any attack that generates heat from Asa before she uses the nuke, he'd already have adapted to heat by the time she uses the nuke and thus not get vaporized by it? She has a grenade, and I'm sure she has other bs like flamethrowers or whatever that she'd use before a nuke.

I guess? She only ever used the grenade once tho. her opening attack would probably be spamming bang, which is already way more powerful than her grenades so there would be no point in even using them. but i find it silly to assume that adapting to 2000 degrees means he can withstand 100 million.

 

[Arkenis]

Wouldn't it just be the heat Mahoraga was exposed to? A temperature of the literal sun is quite the gap compared to the heat of a grenade, no?

same phenomenon. Though idk if the wheel would survive tbf

 

[LaserPrecision]

Sadly this isn't rage bait, he literally just tank the pressure of true sphere and that dumb Megumi statement is not a 100% thing, nor is it provable when people literally can't sense or feel curses on them.

There's also the fact that half of the people in Shibuya who died to the Curses couldn't see them. There was one dude who saw them right before they died, and another one who said he saw nothing before it happened. So it doesn't seem all too reliable either even when they are about to die

 

[Machmatej]

There's also the fact that half of the people in Shibuya who died to the Curses couldn't see them. There was one dude who saw them right before they died, and another one who said he saw nothing before it happened. So it doesn't seem all too reliable either even when they are about to die

so is it like a chance system that you can see curses or did half the people in shibuya just get blitzed or smth

 

[LaserPrecision]

I guess? She only ever used the grenade once tho. her opening attack would probably be spamming bang, which is already way more powerful than her grenades so there would be no point in even using them. but i find it silly to assume that adapting to 2000 degrees means he can withstand 100 million.

Why not? He adapted to a Tier 7 ball of pressure, which allowed him to become immune to ALL pressure, and take zero damage from a High 3-A pressure attack. That gap is infinite, let alone a small finite gap like going from 2000 to 100 million.

 

[Machmatej]

Why not? He adapted to a Tier 7 ball of pressure, which allowed him to become immune to ALL pressure, and take zero damage from a High 3-A pressure attack. That gap is infinite, let alone a small finite gap like going from 2000 to 100 million.

i'm not knowledgeable enough to refute this but sounds like complete bullshit ngl

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

i'm not knowledgeable enough to refute this but sounds like complete bullshit ngl

I mean that's literally what happened. Look at Yorozu's profile.

 

[Arkenis]

so is it like a chance system that you can see curses or did half the people in shibuya just get blitzed or smth

Think it just has to do with being more attuned with cursed energy or cursed spirits in general.

 

[LaserPrecision]

so is it like a chance system that you can see curses or did half the people in shibuya just get blitzed or smth

They weren't blitzed. When Gojo first dropped down and was looking at the Cursed Spirits, one dude was like "Who are those dudes on the train track?" cuz they were all about to die, and then another dude replied "Dudes? I only see one person."

It wasn't exactly that, but that was the gist of it. And then immediately after they started getting slaughtered by Jogo, Mahito, Choso, etc.

 

[Catbowtie]

same phenomenon. Though idk if the wheel would survive tbf

Why does the wheel not get the same heat res as Mahoraga?

 

[LaserPrecision]

i'm not knowledgeable enough to refute this but sounds like complete bullshit ngl

It's on the profiles tho and is outright stated to happen. Once he adapts to a phenomena, he's immune to it even if they use a much stronger version of said ability.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Why does the wheel not get the same heat res as Mahoraga?

If anything the wheel has more heat resistance since the wheel wasn't 100% vaporized by Fuga like the rest of Mahoraga was, just charred to shit iirc.

 

[Zabazab]

He adapted to a Tier 7 ball of pressure, which allowed him to become immune to ALL pressure

It adapted to the liquid metal, not pressure as a concept.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It adapted to the liquid metal, not pressure as a concept.

Then how did Mahoraga survive the High 3-A output of True Sphere?

 

[Arkenis]

Why does the wheel not get the same heat res as Mahoraga?

Just presuming the adaption is only for Maho not the wheel but it could be.

 

[LaserPrecision]

It adapted to the liquid metal, not pressure as a concept.

I didn't get to the fight myself yet, but tomato tomato, same gist. Adapted to liquid metal with finite energy, and then become invulnerable to High 3-A liquid metal. He becomes immune to a phenomena after his wheel rotates enough. So adapting to 2000c or whatever render him impervious to heat in general.

 

[Catbowtie]

Just presuming the adaption is only for Maho not the wheel but it could be.

Insanely weird loop hole of grabbing Mahoraga's wheel and preventing it from spinning so Maho can't adapt to ****

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Insanely weird loop hole of grabbing Mahoraga's wheel and running with it so Maho can't adapt to ****

That would be so ******* funny! XD

 

[Machmatej]

It's on the profiles tho and is outright stated to happen. Once he adapts to a phenomena, he's immune to it even if they use a much stronger version of said ability.

from what i know his adaptation takes time, so even if yoru does throw a grenade for whatever reason, she can follow up with a nuke shortly after before mahoraga somehow adapts to the concept of heat

 

[Arkenis]

Insanely weird loop hole of grabbing Mahoraga's wheel and preventing it from spinning so Maho can't adapt to ****

Probably just adapts to the grab and goes back to maho or becomes goop and reforms above Mahoraga

 

[Zabazab]

Then how did Mahoraga survive the High 3-A output of True Sphere?

Destroyed the sphere with its adaptation.

So adapting to 2000c or whatever render him impervious to heat in general.

Runs into the exact same logical issue I presented. Makora is already exposed to heat, yet it didn't adapt before Furnace was used against it.

 

[LaserPrecision]

from what i know his adaptation takes time, so even if yoru does throw a grenade for whatever reason, she can follow up with a nuke shortly after before mahoraga somehow adapts to the concept of heat

The time it takes depends on the complexity of the technique. For stuff like Gojo's mathematical space hax slop it was like 4 rotations IIRC which didn't take all that long. For basic stuff it's quicker. In the manga he was already almost done adapting to Sukuna's technique within like less than a minute cuz he got hit by Dismantle twice. Technically he adapted to it after being hit by it once (instantly) cuz it allowed him to see and deflect it, but the adaptation to become immune to cutting attacks was the thing that took a minute or so.

I don't think it'd take much time for him to adapt to heat tbh. That said, I dunno how quickly Yoru resorts to nuke punch in-character. If it's like her first attack then sure, he wouldn't have the time to adapt.

 

[Arkenis]

Destroyed the sphere with its adaptation.

Every point of contact = high 3A. He just adapt to that not the metal itself.

Runs into the exact same logical issue I presented. Makora is already exposed to heat, yet it didn't adapt before Furnace was used against it.

Furnace not just heat.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Destroyed the sphere with its adaptation.

Yeah, which would require him to not be erased by the High 3-A pressure it radiated :/

Runs into the exact same logical issue I presented. Makora is already exposed to heat, yet it didn't adapt before Furnace was used against it.

Oh, I thought you were joking when you said that.

Well that's easy to explain. Mahoraga doesn't adapt to stuff unless he's actually attacked by it. Otherwise he would've already been adapted to light before he fought Dabura. He only adapted to light after being attack by light by Dabura. He doesn't just passively adapt to stuff not impeding or attacking him.

This is like... EVERY character in fiction with RE ever. Most of them don't just passively adapt to every physical phenomena by just standing there.

So yeah, Mahoraga ain't adapting to heat by just existing in the sun, but when he's hit by heat, like say Jogo's flames for example, he'd start adapting.

 

[Zabazab]

Every point of contact = high 3A. He just adapt to that not the metal itself.

The adaptation was to the liquid metal, Sukuna says that himself. Yorozu's inefficient technique leads her to leaning on liquid metal. Sukuna adapted to her various liquid metal attacks throughout the fight, so once the perfect sphere was brought out, Makora could destroy it because it was the same liquid metal.

 

[Machmatej]

also about not being able to see mahoraga

i don't know if this would work, but even weak ass fiends like pingsti can sense being watched by beings who haven't even physically manifested yet. considering yoru's power and status, i don't think it's a stretch to assume she can also do this, maybe even on a higher level.

 

[Arkenis]

The adaptation was to the liquid metal, Sukuna says that himself. Yorozu's inefficient technique leads her to leaning on liquid metal. Sukuna adapted to her various liquid metal attacks throughout the fight, so once the perfect sphere was brought out, Makora could destroy it because it was the same liquid metal.

I throw rock -> rock not big -> you block, this mean you can block giant rock at the speed of light?

 

[Arkenis]

also about not being able to see mahoraga

i don't know if this would work, but even weak ass fiends like pingsti can sense being watched by beings who haven't even physically manifested yet. considering yoru's power and status, i don't think it's a stretch to assume she can also do this, maybe even on a higher level.

diff context, Mahoraga doesn’t cause primal fear like this

 

[Epiccheev]

My heart is ablaze
It yearns to glaze (Mahoraga)

 

[LaserPrecision]

The adaptation was to the liquid metal, Sukuna says that himself. Yorozu's inefficient technique leads her to leaning on liquid metal. Sukuna adapted to her various liquid metal attacks throughout the fight, so once the perfect sphere was brought out, Makora could destroy it because it was the same liquid metal.

Yeah, and Mahoraga still touched the sphere to smash it without being vaporized. Evidently the pressure didn't affect him :/

 

[Machmatej]

diff context, Mahoraga doesn’t cause primal fear like this

this isn't because of the fear. humans and even hybrids weren't able to sense the darkness devil being there. this is something unique to devils and fiends.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

This Yoru has 8-A dura, no regen which means Maho one taps. CE made beings also have invul for now... The thread is entirely mess so better just ask somebody to close this.

 

[Arkenis]

this isn't because of the fear. humans and even hybrids weren't able to sense the darkness devil being there. this is something unique to devils and fiends.

Yes it is??? She’s terrified by them watching her and are literally the primal fears.