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Mahoraga vs Ditto (Pokemon)

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I think Ditto can see him as he can transform into pokemons with ghost types
Ghost type doesn't necessarily mean Invisibility.

Anyway, does Ditto have any advantages?

What makes this not "Mahoraga versus a Mahoraga that knows Mahoraga's self-being & techniques less well than the real Mahoraga itself"?
 
Ghost type doesn't necessarily mean Invisibility.

Anyway, does Ditto have any advantages?

What makes this not "Mahoraga versus a Mahoraga that knows Mahoraga's self-being & techniques less well than the real Mahoraga itself"?
I'm guessing the only advantage is Ditto being gifted in intelligence
 
I'm guessing the only advantage is Ditto being gifted in intelligence
Intelligence: Instinctual Savant (Mahoraga operates on a binary of feral aggression and calculated adaptation. In its untamed state, it attacks with the indiscriminate ferocity of a wild beast, lacking any discernable higher thought beyond destruction. Yet, this savagery masks a sophisticated analytical engine capable of decoding the fundamental logic of any phenomena it faces. Under the control of a sorcerer, this duality shifts: Mahoraga transitions from a mindless berserker to a highly intuitive guardian, displaying enough situational awareness to intercept threats and cover its user's blind spots apparently on its own initiative)

Weird intelligence justification.
"Yet, this savagery masks a sophisticated analytical engine capable of decoding the fundamental logic of any phenomena it faces."

Is it capable of "decoding the fundamental logic of any phenomena it faces" in the feral aggression half of the binary of its intelligence? If not, it saying said feral aggression masks it only applies if that intellectual capacity is only able to be applied under the control of a sorcerer.

Ditto isn't much better:

Intelligence: Below Average normally (Capable of coherent speech between other Pokémon, a degree of understanding of commands and social situations, and can solve minor puzzles, though still mostly driven by instinct), Above Average in combat (Pokémon are hard-wired for battle, even in the wild can master many moves and replicate the likes of Machop which train in all martial arts)

In theory, it might be skilled & able to use Mahoraga's powers well, since Ditto can effectively use moves of Pokemon they turn into, but it probably won't know which to use, as it won't know Mahoraga is invulnerable to anything but Cursed Energy.


Stamina: Superhuman (Mahoraga can only be killed by being completely destroyed in one hit[16], otherwise he will survive and adapt. Survived from Sukuna's Dismantles that slashed into it's head[1] and was later able to survive Malevolent Shrine despite Cleave visibly damaging him[16])

Stamina: Superhuman (The average Pokemon is hardwired for battle and can go on fighting for a long time despite being injured. Capable of spending a day on foot while fighting hordes of enemies in mystery dungeons with little to no breaks. Can swim between islands and continents with no breaks)



So we have an opponent Ditto can't see from the start, doesn't know it's invulnerable, doesn't know it needs to one-shot it, that adapts to other stuff.

The only advantages it has are a small Intelligence/Skill advantage, maybe & a Stamina advantage, I think.
 
I think Ditto can see him as he can transform into pokemons with ghost types
Except ghost types aren't always invisible, especially not at the start of battle. Otherwise trainers and pokemon like Ditto who lack extrasensory perception wouldn't be able to see them.
Mahoraga on the other hand is invisible by default and, from what I understand about curses, require a different kind ESP to see them.
 
So is this match a stomp? Unless Ditto gains prior knowledge.

Yes, it's a stomp. Even if we were to give it prior knowledge, there's this statement from Ditto's profile:
While it is stated in the Pokédex that a Pokémon can transform into any Pokémon according to its memories, it is also stated that "if it tries to transform itself into something by relying on its memory, this Pokémon manages to get details wrong". Unless the starter stated in the versus thread that it can transform into any Pokémon according to its memories, it should only be able to transform to any opponent or objects it can see in the battlefield.
 
Reminder that Transform and Imposter fails against targets that can't be properly perceived (cough Illusion blocking that), so unless Ditto is granted prior memories to turn into other Pokemon this is just a plain stomp.
 
Technically, it could be mitigated through modifying the OP conditions, such as to have Ditto start already Transformed into Mahoraga.

How that happened outside of OP specifying it in match conditions is beyond me, though.
Is there some reason Mahoraga could & would drop its invisibility? Trying to startle the opponent for a window of opportunity, for example? Then again, it's supposedly a feral beast by default, so I'm not sure it'd even bother with tactics like trying to do what is basically trying to jumpscare the foe into flinching before it attacks.

& yeah, even with other Pokemon access, Mahoraga is invisible, limited invulnerable, & not only can't be killed, but powers up if not one-shot, & presumably has adaptation up the wazoo as well as Information Analysis to deal with that.

There MIGHT be ways in Pokemon (Excluding the Creation Trio.) that MIGHT be able to deal with it, I ain't sure what that is. Perish Song Death Manipulation? Info Analyze that in the "3 turns" of time. Sheer Cold for Absolute Zero? Does Mahoraga even have atoms, even assuming it can't just go Adaptation-go-brr-to-make-it-stop-going-brr with no atomic activity?
Turn into Dusknoir (Or maybe Spectrier) to separate soul from body & maybe throw it in an underworld? Is Mahoraga's body even distinct from its soul? Could it just adapt to just put its soul back?


But yeah, even if Ditto starts turned into Mahoraga, IDK.
2 Mahoraga wailing on each other.... It auto-adapts offensively & defensively, right? So both ain't getting close to one-shotting each other. In THAT case, Ditto's minor Intelligence & Stamina advantages might matter, but it wouldn't necessarily know about the weakness.... But then again, it'd have Mahoraga's Information Analysis, right? Is that IA voluntary or automatic?

But Mahoraga would have that, too.

Would it just be Mahoraga versus itself but with better Stamina & Intelligence (The Intelligence of half of which may be kind of irrelevant when it automatically solves issues it faces anyway?) if Ditto were OP-specified as starting as it?
 
Except ghost types aren't always invisible, especially not at the start of battle. Otherwise trainers and pokemon like Ditto who lack extrasensory perception wouldn't be able to see them.
Mahoraga on the other hand is invisible by default and, from what I understand about curses, require a different kind ESP to see them.
Actually you can see curse spirits if you are in a life and death situation. If Ditto's life is threatened, can see mahoraga
 
Technically, it could be mitigated through modifying the OP conditions, such as to have Ditto start already Transformed into Mahoraga.

How that happened outside of OP specifying it in match conditions is beyond me, though.
Is there some reason Mahoraga could & would drop its invisibility? Trying to startle the opponent for a window of opportunity, for example? Then again, it's supposedly a feral beast by default, so I'm not sure it'd even bother with tactics like trying to do what is basically trying to jumpscare the foe into flinching before it attacks.

& yeah, even with other Pokemon access, Mahoraga is invisible, limited invulnerable, & not only can't be killed, but powers up if not one-shot, & presumably has adaptation up the wazoo as well as Information Analysis to deal with that.

There MIGHT be ways in Pokemon (Excluding the Creation Trio.) that MIGHT be able to deal with it, I ain't sure what that is. Perish Song Death Manipulation? Info Analyze that in the "3 turns" of time. Sheer Cold for Absolute Zero? Does Mahoraga even have atoms, even assuming it can't just go Adaptation-go-brr-to-make-it-stop-going-brr with no atomic activity?
Turn into Dusknoir (Or maybe Spectrier) to separate soul from body & maybe throw it in an underworld? Is Mahoraga's body even distinct from its soul? Could it just adapt to just put its soul back?
Besides the fact that it could be argued that Ditto can turn into the CT or even Arceus avatars as there's mechanics around for that kind of scenario (namely semantics on whether a held plate is a factor when transforming) implying intent, the simplest one is Imprison (layered passive (once triggered) power null based on the capabilities that both the user and the opponent have) + Transform, preventing Mahoraga from doing anything while inherently covering any possible adaptation in the process, and before anyone asks the combo is intended as much Mew learns it naturally.

Beyond that there's still a myriad of hax like Hypnosis (mind hax), Teleport (BFR), and Sheer Cold (Absolute Zero). Just backfiring Mahoraga's stat boosts with Spectral Thief also works.

While these strategies are rather specific and gimmicky to say that they'd be in-character, assuming that the first action used is Future Sight to strategize better with info analysis, especially if while transformed into a smart Pokemon is fair game, especially if complemented with Foresight to counteract Mahoraga's invisibility.
 
Actually you can see curse spirits if you are in a life and death situation. If Ditto's life is threatened, can see mahoraga
How dire a life/death situation?
Fight with near equal or better just started? Beaten to a bloody pulp with your life flashing before your eyes?
What's the context for this claim?

If it requires being half-dead or worse, when Ditto's win condition relies on it being higher stamina (Arguably higher intelligence, too, but doesn't really matter due to IA plus Adaptation.), in what is basically a mirror match, I don't think that helps Ditto have a viable win condition.
 
How dire a life/death situation?
Fight with near equal or better just started? Beaten to a bloody pulp with your life flashing before your eyes?
What's the context for this claim?

If it requires being half-dead or worse, when Ditto's win condition relies on it being higher stamina (Arguably higher intelligence, too, but doesn't really matter due to IA plus Adaptation.), in what is basically a mirror match, I don't think that helps Ditto have a viable win condition.
Just as Mahoraga about to attack him but I change the match starting anyway
 
While these strategies are rather specific and gimmicky to say that they'd be in-character, assuming that the first action used is Future Sight to strategize better with info analysis, especially if while transformed into a smart Pokemon is fair game, especially if complemented with Foresight to counteract Mahoraga's invisibility.
I feel like Ditto is just as likely to transform into a Rhyhorn and use Tail Whip and Fury attack. There's literally no way you can accurately predict how Ditto will fight here. To add on to this, Ditto can make mistakes if it tries to transform based on memory, so this matchup is literally pointless
 
Eh, historically the mistakes have only been cosmetic, it's still practical P&A-wise. As for Ditto's character, it'd depend on the exact pool of Pokemon it knows about, which is something that can be manually laid out by the OP of the thread.
 
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