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Madness Combat Discussion Thread: Redeemer

I was looking through crackpot content some more, and i'm starting to realize that Crackpot was always weird, and supposed dissonance really didn't change much about him.

Also, i was wrong about the fanatics, fanatics were never exposed to dissonance, their insanity just kinda happens. probably due to Crackpot's cult shenanigans.

Employe's magic for crackpot is sounding a bit more solid lowkey. Doesn't change he really never uses any of the haxes of magic, but i digress.
He wasn't that weird in Arena Mode, tbh. In the main story he is straight delusional and has god-complex, while in the Arena he appears to be a lot more stable. And I mean, he does use his teleportation and these projectiles to shoot
 
He wasn't that weird in Arena Mode, tbh. In the main story he is straight delusional and has god-complex, while in the Arena he appears to be a lot more stable. And I mean, he does use his teleportation and these projectiles to shoot
I'm assuming he's pretending to be normal in Arena Mode so he doesn't get his ass whooped, that or he hasn't quite started his cult yet and he's in the in between stages of going completely batshit insane. (more than he already was)
 
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He wasn't that weird in Arena Mode, tbh. In the main story he is straight delusional and has god-complex, while in the Arena he appears to be a lot more stable. And I mean, he does use his teleportation and these projectiles to shoot
that seems to be a facade he uses
 
Did you decide to create separate profiles for each member of the agency?
Yes, each unit will get their own profiles now so it's a bit more readable and usable (makes more sense, too)

also, my calc got accepted. the high end. So auditor and everyone who scales to him will get upgraded to Multi-City Block level+.

We just have to decide who does, so i guess i'll just throw some suggestions out there;

Definitely scale (8-A+):
The Auditor
MAG Hank
Just about all MAG Agents in the series

likely scale (At least 8-C, likely 8-A+):
MAG Bandit (Is a MAG Agent, but is heavily weakened from starvation. is ultimately not as strong as the rest of the MAG Agents)
Deimos
Sanford (Took a few punches from The Auditor, but ultimately Sanford was hella out of his depth in that fight)
Base Hank

Don't scale (At least 8-C, MAYBE At most 8-A+):
Jesus (This blast killed him and he wasn't even in the epicenter. you could probably give him 8-A+ flat with weaponry though)
 
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Yes, each unit will get their own profiles now so it's a bit more readable and usable (makes more sense, too)

also, my calc got accepted. the high end. So auditor and everyone who scales to him will get upgraded to Multi-City Block level+.

We just have to decide who does, so i guess i'll just throw some suggestions out there;

Definitely scale (8-A+):
The Auditor
MAG Hank
Just about all MAG Agents in the series

likely scale (At least 8-C, likely 8-A+):
MAG Bandit (Is a MAG Agent, but is heavily weakened from starvation. is ultimately not as strong as the rest of the MAG Agents)
Deimos
Sanford (Took a few punches from The Auditor, but ultimately Sanford was hella out of his depth in that fight)
Base Hank

Don't scale (At least 8-C, MAYBE At most 8-A+):
Jesus (This blast killed him and he wasn't even in the epicenter. you could probably give him 8-A+ flat with weaponry though)
Jeb was weakened by both Auditor's rocket before and disease. Plus majority of his body remained comparatively intact (For exception of his own face and chest, which were wounded by The Auditor before). I think at least his shields should get scaling since they were able to prevent Auditor from killing him at first (Until he pulled a rocket launcher) + he managed to physically dispatch Auditor initially
 
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Mag Agent V4 100% gets scaling due to being able overpower a Mag Hank who fought and successfully endured attacks from The Auditor (Even while without his lighting), Hank only killed him via his lighting punches
 
Jeb was weakened by both Auditor's rocket before and disease.
True, but it definitely would raise some eyebrows saying "yes he scales to this thing that literally killed him on screen"
Plus majority of his body remained comparatively intact (For exception of his own face and chest, which were wounded by The Auditor before). I think at least his shiled should get scaling since they were able to prevent Auditor from killing him at first (Until he pulled a rocket launcher) + he managed to physically dispatch Auditor initially
8-C, at most 8-A+ would probably work. something like this;

Can trade blows with Hank, and survived being hit with a rocket launcher which sent him flying off NEXUS Tower. Was able to hold his own in a fight with The Auditor while heavily weakened from a disease, although was still relatively outmatched by him
Mag Agent V4 100% gets scaling due to being able overpower a Mag Hank who fought and successfully endured attacks from The Auditor (Even while without his lighting), Hank only killed him via his lighting punches
MAG Agents in general besides a select few will probably get straight 8-A+ just for being MAG Agents.
 
True, but it definitely would raise some eyebrows saying "yes he scales to this thing that literally killed him on screen"

8-C, at most 8-A+ would probably work. something like this;

Can trade blows with Hank, and survived being hit with a rocket launcher which sent him flying off NEXUS Tower. Was able to hold his own in a fight with The Auditor while heavily weakened from a disease, although was still relatively outmatched by him

MAG Agents in general besides a select few will probably get straight 8-A+ just for being MAG Agents.
What about Sanford and Deimos? They were able to kill base Hank (In 2 vs 1, but still) and Sanford also tanked Enlarged Auditor's punches
 
What about Sanford and Deimos? They were able to kill base Hank (In 2 vs 1, but still) and Sanford also tanked Enlarged Auditor's punches
Sanford didn't really "Tank" any hits, he was put on his ass with one punch and let Hank take over and basically did nothing against The Auditor. Basically the issue with scaling anyone besides MAG Agents and The Auditor to this feat is that you have the issue of them being comparable to Jesus, who was killed by this feat. Sanford is comparable to Jesus, and is depicted as such, which makes scaling it to him a problem. a likely rating is kinda best bet.

basically anyone who doesn't fit the following description would get a likely/possibly/at most rating;
MAG Agent/Comparable to one
Employer
Notably powerful Generation 01
Wasn't murdered by the feat we're talking about

Which basically means Auditor, MAG Agents, Hank, and Tricky are the only ones who can reliably scale to it fully. Everyone else has the problem of being at Jesus' level and at best can have it as a likely/possibly/at most rating next to their 8-C ranking
 
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Basically for each tier this is how the scaling logic goes;

9-C+: Literally bottom of the barrel. basic citizens in Nevada are at this level.

9-A: Scaling to MC1-4 Hank. Characters such as ATP Agents and Sleepwalker Patients are consistently at this level scaling above Hofnarr who can harm Hank at this point.

8-C, likely 8-A: This is characters like Jesus who've shown to hold their own against MAG Agents but the actual feat MAG Agents scale to killing them. Characters like base hank, sanford, and deimos would be here.

8-A: Characters who are actually comparable to The Auditor with no strings attached. Characters such as MAG Bandit, despite being a MAG, do not scale to this because they are far weaker likely due to starvation.
 
Why is the origin section for it gone. looks good thus far. I would make it likely 8-A instead of at most.


This is an early Jesus profile remake. currently theres only really main series stuff on there so far.
Finally Jeb receives a genius-level intellect, he'd waited this so long
 
Since the whole 8-A stuff, i got some funky ol' matchup ideas for the new 8-As

Director Phobos VS Superman (My Adventures with Superman)

The Auditor VS Death (Darksiders)

Jebediah Christoff VS The Boys (...)

Dr. Crackpot VS Sir Pentious (Hazbin Hotel) - This is probably a stomp cuz i think off the top of my head the 8-As in Madness are like 6x stronger than Hazin's

Tricky the Clown VS Deku (My Hero Academia)

Project: Gestalt VS Darth Sidious (Star Wars)

Hank J. Wimbleton VS Deadpool (MCU)
 
The Blackguard VS Black Scorpion (City of Heroes) - Originally was used for a Hank match, but i think the blackguard character-wise fits as a matchup against Black Scorpion more (at least from what i understand from Reaper)
Don't you like need dissonance to destroy part of the the blackguard armor?
 
Why is the origin section for it gone. looks good thus far. I would make it likely 8-A instead of at most.


This is an early Jesus profile remake. currently theres only really main series stuff on there so far.
As for this (and I swear last chain message I send) I would add that Jeb was weakened to the point that a missle launcher took of a small chunk of his head when previously a missle launcher with 4 times the power only knocked him out for a at most a few minutes and he was caught off guard
 
Don't you like need dissonance to destroy part of the the blackguard armor?
the blackguard's armor is just incredibly tough like any other G03LM's armor, which makes them essentially invulnerable. Dissonance is used to remove his armor because it was the only way to get past his armor.
Also isn't Gestal like 8-B? At his best? What about that?
Well he's gonna become 8-A, so. ig the 8-B goes unused besides maybe for the NEXUS Core profile.
As for this (and I swear last chain message I send) I would add that Jeb was weakened to the point that a missle launcher took of a small chunk of his head when previously a missle launcher with 4 times the power only knocked him out for a at most a few minutes and he was caught off guard
was it stated the model rocket launcher auditor summoned was the rocket launcher the 4x multiplier was referring to?
 
the blackguard's armor is just incredibly tough like any other G03LM's armor, which makes them essentially invulnerable. Dissonance is used to remove his armor because it was the only way to get past his armor.

Well he's gonna become 8-A, so. ig the 8-B goes unused besides maybe for the NEXUS Core profile.

was it stated the model rocket launcher auditor summoned was the rocket launcher the 4x multiplier was referring to?
Vastly different designs give me a second and I will send the screenshots
 


Here is the one Auditor used




Four Pack

They are quite different

is there even an actual pre-fourpack rocket launcher in game?
Also is the SuperMall stuff gonna be used for profiles? I think it's canon
lowkey idk. it has a trailer on the Project Nexus Youtube channel, but that was more because it was the first community story made. Ig we'd have to look at it further.
 
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Civilization profile wise, I think AAHW, Nexus Core, and MERC are the only factions that really can get profiles. The rest of them are literally featless lmao.
 

the greatest profile has just dropped.
 

the greatest profile has just dropped.
Though i'm pretty sure that grunts should have Superhuman stats, not Peak ones
 
Though i'm pretty sure that grunts should have Superhuman stats, not Peak ones
they're street level.

they technically have superhuman speed but imma be fr i didn't think about that, nor does it really matter if Superhuman physical characteristics is listed.
 
they're street level.

they technically have superhuman speed but imma be fr i didn't think about that, nor does it really matter if Superhuman physical characteristics is listed.
True, but it still just kinda odd to see a character with Class 5 Lifting and Relat speed to be Peak human (Even if doesn't necessarily change their values)
 
True, but it still just kinda odd to see a character with Class 5 and Relat speed to be Peak human (Even if doesn't necessarily change their values)
surprise for people who don't actually read the profiles and use grunts without thinking.
 
Any general to-do list as far as future revisions are concerned? You guys seem on top of things, and I can't calc (if that's even needed at this point), but I can help get Youtube timestamps and such, as well as generally cosign or help better articulate if a proposition makes sense.
 
Okey from some reason I can post it but I found a post from dark of him and Swain talking which implays that super mall is canon (even Dark seems to think so)
 
Anything a rando such as I can do to help, or do you have it pretty much covered & need little more than a look-over near completion?
depends on what you can do and what you're knowledgeable in regarding the series.

The Retainer from Madness Combat 9.5 doesn't have a profile yet, so if you want you could make a profile for them.
 
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