Luffy is waaaay downplayed here...

[TommyTucka]

Lol wtf luffy deserves a muchhh higher tier than this... He's being downplayed so badly here. For one:

He sent people flying to new islands on 2 different occasions before the timeskip. He lifted a 700 ton golden ball and swung it around to disperse an island busterbefore the timeskip. He escaped two skyscrapers using only his shoulder strength, casually, while injured. BEFORE THE TIME SKIP.

Before the timeskip he blitzed characters who reacted to naturally made lightning... He even fought enel, and kicked his lightning attacks away, and even dodged some attacks which DO travel at lightning speed as opposed to enel himself in combat speed.

Franky before the timeskip tanked a mountain busting explosion... BEFORE TIMESKIP. The pacifista that the strawhats fought was waaay more durable than him, and luffy is now waaay more durable than it. He's tanking slicing attacks from doflamingo's strings, that could easily slash meteroites and were cal'd to be mach 300+, and could clash with law's multi-mountain/island level slashes, while trapping everyone in dress rosa, including fujitoria who literally tried showering comets to escape.

He's stronger than sai by a massive margin, who's kick could now split the ice continent... Come on, luffy needs changed here sooo badly.

 

[MethodMan11]

Speed wise I agree he is downplayed.


DC wise not so much

 

[TommyTucka]

Yeah luffy isn't great for DC, cause he can only punch stuff. Energy emittimg attacks do a much greatee job at blowing the most mass up. But, look at 8 gates gai.

He wrecked madara, using only blunt truama, but he didn't decimate islands in the process. Similar to luffy, he wrecks hard but because he doesn't blow up stuff people underestimate just how strong he really is.

 

[Darkness552]

you have to add scans if you even remotely want us to suggest an upgrade

 

[TommyTucka]

Kalifa reactimg to lightning(luffy>>>>bleno>kalifa): http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111150904/3717753-one-piece-60650.jpg

 

[Davy0]

Ah bro... Oh man oh man... You're not gonna get anywhere. You may want to go read the forums.

 

[TommyTucka]

Luffy's golden ball: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111150904/3987429-6144397557-c283-.jpg

Mass of golden Ball: http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17596

 

[TommyTucka]

Luffy kicking lightning away to protect nami as seen in the top left: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151083/3678737-5140112912-one-p.jpg

 

[TommyTucka]

Luffy sending buggy flying to a new island: http://i0.wp.com/mangabookshelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/onepiece64-65.png

 

[TommyTucka]

Luffy sending wapol flying to a new island: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images...vs-hst-vs-dragon-ball-z-vs-bleach-x-31219.jpg

 

[TommyTucka]

And why would i get nowhere? These are valid scans like, valid calcs... Denying them is just being arrogant.

 

[Darkness552]

Davy0 is talking the about the first scan you posted as there was a huge discussion about it i believe

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I would prefer to know exactly what you would like Luffy to be upgraded to, first.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Basically what Darkness and Azathoth said.

 

[Sheoth]

If I recall, there were already was already a huge discussion about his speed.

 

[TommyTucka]

Well hes fastee than people are letting on... Even ignoring his speed, hes a tier 7??? I mean come on, a giant that luffy casually one shotted in the new world punched a guy who weighed 10,000 tons flying into the air with one hand!!! He punched him so high he hit doflamingo's birdcage like a mile in the air, 10,000 tons is an additional 30% more mass than the effiel tower flying into the air with on one arm?! and luffy totally dumps on that guy for strength/lifting strength... Beyond his speed, all his other stats need massively adjusted.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Tier 7, like most of the other tiers, is incredibly wide. We need solid justification for an upgrade, especially since Luffy is already considered to be in the higher end of Tier 7, which is small island. The difference between the feats listed and actually being small island level is absolutely enormous, so I'm not seeing how any of this would upgrade Luffy's DC.

 

[Darkness552]

we can probably calc some of those although we might need more scans

although i dont think this would neccesarily upgrade Luffy anyway

 

[TommyTucka]

I mean hes tanking doflamingo's string attacks in base form. Yeah, the ones that are least country level.

The pacifists they fought was waaaay tougher than franky before the timeskip, it required the whole teams effort it beat it. Pacifista>>>>>>franky in all forms of durability. Luffy now casually one shots it. Luffy is stronger than sai, who's kick is essentially a continent splitter, mind you and ice continent which is even more durable than rock... Again, luffys physical power dumps on him. I agree, luffy is terrible for DC, but thats because he is forced to rely on punches which do a far less job than beams/slashes/blastscan achieve. His striking strength and physical strength are what make him so dangerous.

 

[Darkness552]

please watch your language while on this site

 

[TommyTucka]

Sorry, will do.

 

[Sheoth]

Can you back up any of the Country level claims...

 

[TommyTucka]

Sure, will do.

Doflamingo's strings are enslaving the entire country and have country potency, considering dressrosa (the country itself) was forced into fighting each other as the entire population was controlled at once by doffy.

These strings are casually tanking slashes from law, who doflamimgo described to have an unrivaled slashing power. Laws slashes were capable of cutting punk hazard the island in half, along with multiple mountain ranges easily, when he was pissed and tried agaisnt vergo with unrestrained power. When he tried the same agaisnt Doffy, his strings could match his slash.

Every powerhouse in dressrosa, including zoro and fujitoria among countless other powerful names tried to escape, yet couldn't. Zoro could easily before slash a mountain sized pica in half but couldn't slash Doffy's strings to escape, and they could stand comets larger than pica raining on them with no damage. Everyones combined effort to escape would at least be country level.

Oh, and doffy never imbued them with Haki either.

 

[Davy0]

Luffy is not Country Level. I've officially stopped listening to you. (Leaves)

 

[Darkness552]

scans?

 

[TommyTucka]

Law slashing island and mountains in half casually:

 

[Kambetal1]

Franky's explosion was town level.

The 'sending people to other islands' thing isn't that impressive. It would be double digit tons at best.

 

[TommyTucka]

Doflaingo slashing a meteor from a few feet away while it moved at massively hypersonic speed:

 

[TommyTucka]

Doflamingo's strings clashing with law's slashes while under laws Room effect:

 

[Sheoth]

Cutting =/= Busting. And while the size looks impressive, it doesn't amount to anywhere close to Country, Island, or even Mountain level.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I think the main problem here is that none of these scans are anything new for these characters, as many have already been taken into consideration, and there certainly isn't anything suggesting higher than Small Island level Luffy.

 

[TommyTucka]

http://i.imgur.com/2wPhhM5.png

Doflamingos birdcage busting huge meteors easily.

 

[Sheoth]

Cut them, still not busting.

 

[TommyTucka]

Yeah i agree. Cutting doesnt equal busting but its certainly im the same potency. Like you would need island durability+ to tank that slash.

 

[Darkness552]

no cutting is not in the same potency as it would for you to bust something

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

For instance:

Completely obliterating a mountain in one blow >>>>>>>>> Cutting one in half

 

[TommyTucka]

Franky's explosion was shown to much larger than the surrounding mountains beside it.

And then what do you guys judge toneri for im DC? He slashed the moon in half meaninf his attacks have moon level potential, but not moon level busting.

 

[Kambetal1]

One could either base cutting durability off the energy needed to produce that slashing attack, for example tanking Mihawk's iceberg cutter would require town level durability, or one could argue that split durability is completely separate from conventional durability, and thus tanking the iceberg cutter would be mountain level - island level split durability.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

And then what do you guys judge toneri for im DC? He slashed the moon in half meaninf his attacks have moon level potential, but not moon level busting.

Cutting the moon in half is only continent level+. Potency and area of effect don't work like that.

 

[TommyTucka]

And if doflamingo's strings had a few less feet between them, the meteors would have been slashed into ribbons? Luffy tanks his string attacks in base without g4.