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┬┐Is there a big difference between Pre-New52 and Post-New52?
┬┐Is there a big difference between Pre-New52 and Post-New52?
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Lucifer a Michael Levels
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Retcon is only Flash warping the Multiverse.
Beings outside of it aren't retconned.
Beings outside of it aren't retconned.
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Retconning only applies to beings inside the Multiverse structure .. Even new gods aren't retconned by any crisis
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Classic is mostly avatars and Deesad in disguise.
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So you are somehow claiming that Darkseid's new origin of being a mortal who killed the old gods, and stole their power, is compatible with the Kirby, Byrne, and Simonson mythology for the character?
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No, I am just saying that Post Crisis Darkseid was vaguely explained.
Also, retcon doesn't need to be stated always, some characters just are without it being stated as official. Killer of Batman's parents has been retconned multiple times in Post Crisis.
Also, retcon doesn't need to be stated always, some characters just are without it being stated as official. Killer of Batman's parents has been retconned multiple times in Post Crisis.
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I can't argue on that but In Multiversity we can see Nix uaton releasing darkseid's soul from FC corrupting the creationAntvasima said:
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The New 52 Darkseid origin is dumb, but that's confirmed just an Avatar. It doesn't affect the real Darkseid.
As for Lucifer Morningstar and Michael, they made some appearances in New 52, but it's vague.
However, DC and Vertigo are very much within the same Multiverse. The structure of Heaven and Hell is the same in both, and many times the two have crossed-over. What is not shared, however, is the Earth. The Vertigo Earth that held the DC Dark characters before Flashpoint was only New Earth when there was a crossover. At any other time, it was it's own Earth devoid of a Superman, a Batman, a Justice League and the like.
As for Lucifer Morningstar and Michael, they made some appearances in New 52, but it's vague.
However, DC and Vertigo are very much within the same Multiverse. The structure of Heaven and Hell is the same in both, and many times the two have crossed-over. What is not shared, however, is the Earth. The Vertigo Earth that held the DC Dark characters before Flashpoint was only New Earth when there was a crossover. At any other time, it was it's own Earth devoid of a Superman, a Batman, a Justice League and the like.
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Well, we (and Grant Morrison, and Geoff Johns), are technically trying to create some form of coherence/consistency, while Dan Didio has done his utmost to tear it (and everything enjoyable about DC Comics) down at every turn, but okay, it works better if we call the New 52 Darkseid an avatar of the true Darkseid.
As for Vertigo, there are contradictory accounts here as well, but given that characters such as Death, Dream, and Destiny have appeared in the regular continuity on occasion, I think that we can ignore the claims that they are separate.
As for Vertigo, there are contradictory accounts here as well, but given that characters such as Death, Dream, and Destiny have appeared in the regular continuity on occasion, I think that we can ignore the claims that they are separate.
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I heard that dream of endless has something to do with empty hand ?
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Where was it confirmed that New 52 Darkseid was an avatar?Matthew Schroeder said:
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Darkseid Wars alluded to it as well, showing that Metron and other New Gods hadn't been affected by any Crisis or Retcon. The thing about In-Universe New Gods being avatars has been around since the 90s Spectre Comics.
Destiny actually originated in mainstream DC back in the 60s.
And in regards to enjoyable DC, I'm very happy with what Rebirth is doing. I find it a return to form.
Darkseid Wars alluded to it as well, showing that Metron and other New Gods hadn't been affected by any Crisis or Retcon. The thing about In-Universe New Gods being avatars has been around since the 90s Spectre Comics.
Destiny actually originated in mainstream DC back in the 60s.
And in regards to enjoyable DC, I'm very happy with what Rebirth is doing. I find it a return to form.
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I am aware of that the Destiny DC character is not a Neil Gaiman creation.
I still find Rebirth to be a pale shadow of the Post-Crisis continuity, but it is much better than the Didio-mandated trainwreck of the Post-Flashpoint era.
I still find Rebirth to be a pale shadow of the Post-Crisis continuity, but it is much better than the Didio-mandated trainwreck of the Post-Flashpoint era.
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Grant Morrison work is garbage . He should retire from writing comics
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I disagree, and he is the guy who created the most sensical DC Cosmology and basically wrote the best Superman story ever made.
But this is not the point of the thread, and the original question has been answered.
But this is not the point of the thread, and the original question has been answered.
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