DaMonkeMan
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Well I figured I had to try this sometime, if I'm dissatisfied with something then I should be responsible enough to try and make a change if within my 'power'.
I'll try to be concise and civil with most of these and will tackle these feats one by one:
1: "He clashed with G5 Luffy, thus he is H6A."
Now this would be right in some cases, I won't lie. But the way it was portrayed, how Lucci performed outside of this clash, and people's "justifications" for it don't really sit right with me and here's why.
It feels like favoritism to make one character H6A for a clash, while other people do the same and it's called an "inconsistency", meanwhile Lucci is seen not even being able to hit Luffy outside the clash and needing Armament for a rock. So the most likely scenario is that Oda just didn't care about the logic behind it there, he wanted to make a nostalgic callback clash and thus he did it, we've seen this with other characters and it's clearly not a rare or unlikely thing. I'll cover more of this in the next point.
2: "G5 Luffy is always H6A no matter which attack he uses" This is not quite the way people word it but the gist of it is that " If he uses the form, his feats will be H6A. " but this is likely false.
Thing is, we do have things such as the Five Elders saying something like " Awakening makes him far stronger than he was before ", but this is not much of a valid narrative as; One: The Five Elders do not know what Luffy is packing as they presumably have never had his power and we can't assume someone has used it exactly like him down to techniques like Gear 4.
Two: Luffy knocked Lucci away/out via simply manipulating the ground and turning it to rubber to strike his side and make him cough blood, and easily knocks him out by just stretching his fist and clocking him in the stomach. Not only have we never seen Luffy do this type of attack before ( closest he's come to the first one is stretching the ground to block a Bolo Breath but that's a heat based attack ), we also have no reason to think it's above even certain base attacks, seeing as Luffy just kicking Kaidou with Advanced Haki made him cough blood, while G5 Luffy, even after amping his muscles, slammed Kaidou and only a drop of blood came out.
It seems reasonable to say that certain G4 attacks > certain G5 attacks.
3: "Lucci is equal to him in Speed and Lifting Strength."
Ah... This one. This one was funny. Y'see, the argument here is that since Luffy seemingly put a ton of effort into lifting Bajrang Gun ( which is about the size of Onigashima if not somewhat bigger ), he is Class P ( I agree with this part, but what follows it is quite weird ). Since he's Class P, him struggling to overpower Lucci in a clash and them being sent back makes Lucci scale to his LS as well.
This is very likely false though, as we do not actually have proof that Luffy was trying against Lucci like he was with his gigantic fist. In fact through out the fight we don't even see Luffy use Advanced Haki or buff his muscles like he did against Kaidou, so there's no reason to believe he's trying that hard against Lucci anyway.
I kind of covered the speed, and since I'm busy I'll just keep this one short for now and come back later to clean up this post, but Lucci used a speed amp and Sentomaru ( who doesn't seem to have Future Sight or any indications of it during the panel of them clashing, unlike Luffy ) could still predict him multiple times even when he was down from Lucci's "Hand Gun". He also never even landed a hit on Luffy and couldn't properly react to most of his moves even when he clearly saw him preparing an attack. I'll give scans of these events later, I have to get my eye checked as it's swelled right now.
Please, don't turn this thread into a hell hole while I'm gone for a few hours, I hate doing this as much as y'all, if not more.
I'll try to be concise and civil with most of these and will tackle these feats one by one:
1: "He clashed with G5 Luffy, thus he is H6A."
Now this would be right in some cases, I won't lie. But the way it was portrayed, how Lucci performed outside of this clash, and people's "justifications" for it don't really sit right with me and here's why.
It feels like favoritism to make one character H6A for a clash, while other people do the same and it's called an "inconsistency", meanwhile Lucci is seen not even being able to hit Luffy outside the clash and needing Armament for a rock. So the most likely scenario is that Oda just didn't care about the logic behind it there, he wanted to make a nostalgic callback clash and thus he did it, we've seen this with other characters and it's clearly not a rare or unlikely thing. I'll cover more of this in the next point.
2: "G5 Luffy is always H6A no matter which attack he uses" This is not quite the way people word it but the gist of it is that " If he uses the form, his feats will be H6A. " but this is likely false.
Thing is, we do have things such as the Five Elders saying something like " Awakening makes him far stronger than he was before ", but this is not much of a valid narrative as; One: The Five Elders do not know what Luffy is packing as they presumably have never had his power and we can't assume someone has used it exactly like him down to techniques like Gear 4.
Two: Luffy knocked Lucci away/out via simply manipulating the ground and turning it to rubber to strike his side and make him cough blood, and easily knocks him out by just stretching his fist and clocking him in the stomach. Not only have we never seen Luffy do this type of attack before ( closest he's come to the first one is stretching the ground to block a Bolo Breath but that's a heat based attack ), we also have no reason to think it's above even certain base attacks, seeing as Luffy just kicking Kaidou with Advanced Haki made him cough blood, while G5 Luffy, even after amping his muscles, slammed Kaidou and only a drop of blood came out.
It seems reasonable to say that certain G4 attacks > certain G5 attacks.
3: "Lucci is equal to him in Speed and Lifting Strength."
Ah... This one. This one was funny. Y'see, the argument here is that since Luffy seemingly put a ton of effort into lifting Bajrang Gun ( which is about the size of Onigashima if not somewhat bigger ), he is Class P ( I agree with this part, but what follows it is quite weird ). Since he's Class P, him struggling to overpower Lucci in a clash and them being sent back makes Lucci scale to his LS as well.
This is very likely false though, as we do not actually have proof that Luffy was trying against Lucci like he was with his gigantic fist. In fact through out the fight we don't even see Luffy use Advanced Haki or buff his muscles like he did against Kaidou, so there's no reason to believe he's trying that hard against Lucci anyway.
I kind of covered the speed, and since I'm busy I'll just keep this one short for now and come back later to clean up this post, but Lucci used a speed amp and Sentomaru ( who doesn't seem to have Future Sight or any indications of it during the panel of them clashing, unlike Luffy ) could still predict him multiple times even when he was down from Lucci's "Hand Gun". He also never even landed a hit on Luffy and couldn't properly react to most of his moves even when he clearly saw him preparing an attack. I'll give scans of these events later, I have to get my eye checked as it's swelled right now.
Please, don't turn this thread into a hell hole while I'm gone for a few hours, I hate doing this as much as y'all, if not more.
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