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It seems like Kitae really doesn’t have a path either
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It seems the High 8-C is making a comeback, though this time it's more limited. Even with his copy of Gapryong's fist, Jinyoung is inferior to a Daniel UI, who can fight on par with a Gun True UI. Perhaps if we consider that Lil Daniel UI can mimic Perfect Daniel UI, the H8C is scalable for Kitae, which gives us: Daniel's UI, Kitae, and Gun True UI scaling to H8C, while we don't know about characters like James, but he should be able to scale as well.
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James said that he would have had a rough time fighting against TUI Gun back in Cheonliang, he should most def scale to it
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That's not enough to say any of them scale to it. After all, it was said by Changsu that the FP Conviction Gap Copy Punch that Jinyoung used wasn't actually as strong as it should have because Jinyoung lost his thumb (and PTJ logic says he lost almost all of his power in that punch because of it somehow). My CRT only gave Jinyoung High 8-C with the copy because it was said that he COULD'VE replicated the FP punch, but it got screwed over because of the thumb loss.
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Yes, it makes sense, but I'm referring to the idea of Perfect Daniel UI > Jinyoung Conviction Punch. It was already known that Daniel was compared to the pre-gen and even before he climbed to Old Gap because of it, but now with this chapter, that idea is reaffirmed with Jinyoung's copying.
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Ah oh, I see. Hmm, I personally have no issues with Prime Gapryong relative to FP Perfect Body Daniel Park considering the statement of Jinyoung in 1A. Not sure about scaling anyone to FP PB Daniel though considering he always brings his stats down to his enemies. Even Gun back in his first fight against UI Daniel (chapter 280ish I believe) was able to tag, hit, and bruise Daniel multiple times yet a stronger TUI Gun still went toe to toe with UI Daniel.
On another note, crazy how this chapter is another upscale towards SB UI Daniel Park
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The way Daniel UI's scaling works is somewhat strange, but I believe the statements imply not a physical adaptation based on level, but rather a greater or lesser performance of Daniel UI, which makes a lot of sense given how both Daniels function in their UI state and aligns with what we just saw: they adjust their performance depending on the opponent. And in Gun TUI's case, we know he was able to fight and even break through Daniel's defense while damaged, relying solely on his brute strength.
It is also a significant improvement for Lil Daniel UI who would scale from "Superior than 9-A" to "At Most High 8-C" with Daniel UI's Perfect Copy and consequently Kitae would scale.
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We have UI SB Daniel Park have abilities like Statistics Amps and Reduction. So while I'm not against the idea of TUI Gun scaling to UI SB Daniel, I still
The site has the power level adjustment as automatic statistics improvement/reduction so I believe we’re working with Daniels strength and durability actually lowering when he adjusts levels (While I don’t love using other series logic with Lookism and vice versa due to the conflicting styles/presentations, we have been shown that it’s possible to enhance and reduce your own stats through cards/abilities in Questism).
Plus, with Hostel Arc Gun being able to bruise and fight for while against UI SB Daniel yet a stronger version (Training Genius and all) + TUI mode still losing, I definitely believe that UI PB Daniel definitely adjusts his physical stats. Now, if we’re saying it was a Full Powered UI PB Daniel against HFG TUI Gun, that’s more up in the air. It doesn’t help that UI Daniel doesn’t show emotions or pain. So unless that UI Daniel loses (straight up, not Paradox of perfection bs) or its stated somehow he's going FP, Im inclined to disagree with anyone scaling to his FP for now.
One last thing. Let us not forget that the version UI Lil Daniel is copying is technically the 1A UI PB Daniel. That makes it more ambiguous with the FP UI PB Daniel scaling.
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Though as I wrote everything above, I wouldn’t be against UI PB Daniel getting “Varies up to High 8-C” and maybe TUI Gun getting a “Possibly High 8-C”.
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I don't think you can compare the Questism System with UI considering the former is something completely supernatural. Well, essentially, Perfect Daniel UI containing his performance or adapting seems to be the same in this context. The point is that against Gun TUI, he made a real effort to keep up with him in the fight, being the only fighter we see putting in that much effort compared to others. There are moments where Daniel UI is even dominated, and considering Gun TUI was quite injured, I think the two could be considered comparable. (By the way, I'm a little surprised that Daniel UI doesn't scale to Class K).
The H8C scale comes from PB Daniel UI at 1A, so there's really not much of a problem scaling Lil Daniel UI. The only issue would be that Lil Daniel would have an "At Most H8C" rating since his body was breaking down from trying to copy PB Daniel, and even James himself admits that Lil Daniel isn't perfect yet. So Kitae scales Lil Daniel UI only under the "At Most" condition.
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Do you guys think Daniel was perfectly copying his body and it was breaking down or was he still not able to emulate Big Daniel's power?
And if he was copying the Perfect Body perfectly, did he lose to Kitae because his body broke down or because Kitae is just stronger than Big Daniel?
And if he was copying the Perfect Body perfectly, did he lose to Kitae because his body broke down or because Kitae is just stronger than Big Daniel?
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Lil Daniel UI was able to copy Perfect Daniel UI but it was breaking down since James himself mentions that it was not yet perfect.
In the end, Kitae only defeated a copy of Perfect Daniel UI, so we still don't know if he's as strong as him, we only know that he surpasses Lil Daniel.
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It has been calculated.
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"Recalculate"
I think it could be improved by scaling the depth instead of assuming it. Also, the height of the crater in the wall is greater, and the value of the reinforced concrete is different, as the current value is slightly higher.
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Still, the result wouldn’t be 9-A.
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I know we can't tell, it's headcanon to assume either way. I'm just asking what most people think.
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Well, currently I have the idea that PB Daniel UI FP>Kitae FP but beyond the close fight with SB Daniel it's just a headcanon.
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Before making any further upgrades, I'd like to update the profiles in both scans and writing. Now that it's no longer possible to classify someone as a Genius to define BIQ or skills, the intelligence tabs need updating, as I'm not sure if some people still count as geniuses unless we take their nicknames literally as "Geniuses."
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Finally .-.
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Which characters are you thinking of?
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Every profile sucks
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Yeah, I won't lie, some of these profiles also just don't have scans to them or have abilities that don't make sense (plus no scans). Zack has instinctive action on his profile but the reasoning is "Went from being oneshotted by Magami Kenta, to being able to go toe to toe with him" (????).
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I was thinking first about Kitae's profile, which is fairly straightforward since the information available is more up-to-date and it hasn't been long since he first appeared in the Cheonliang Arc. However, my plan is to review the entire verse.
Everyone's skills are incorrect or they're missing scans. Taehun's entire page has broken scans, and Gun, for example, has no Intelligence scans at all.
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I want to separate skills like masteries into a blog post because masteries like Resistance could have limited Invulnerability or amplifiers, the Technique mastery should be Attack Reflection, and Invisible Attack should literally be Invisibility via Perception Manipulation and/or Illusionary Images (since it's known that it's not Blitz but is still invisible). The verse is fine in terms of skills, but none of them appear in the profile.
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Cuz cloudyagami made half of them 
Ya'll gotta lock in with the verse instead of calcs that r ezy to debunk
Ya'll gotta lock in with the verse instead of calcs that r ezy to debunk
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Also whats wrong with they BIQ, it should be so much higher
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Yall can make matches too, no one is slamming high tiers in lookism with skill in tier 9 and 8
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Mb if I sounded rude yeah, I was just saying to lock in on the verse cause it's pretty wank and not wank atm
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I'm not sure if we can rely solely on the BIQ to determine if someone is truly a Genius unless there are significant feats at that level. I mean, the verse has them, and some characters should have it (and incredibly, the profiles don't, another thing to fix), but not everyone is a Genius simply for having martial arts masteries, although the Gifted level is fairly consistent in the verse.
Some profiles can be used, although others don't even have the scans.
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I was thinking of making a matchup, but a majority of the abilities, even for characters like Daniel, are just wrong, sadly. Pretty much it's impossible to make a matchup for most Lookism characters as it stands rn.
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Both the Daniel Park profiles aren't bad and I feel like could be used. I'll continue making some CRT's as the series continues (and if a character shows new abilities, I might take time to add the abilities and try to fix any issues on that page too) but it'll be a slow process as I like to participate in different verses too. I likely won't go out of my way to fix the pages that aren't "active"
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Would be very iffy on using either of them in a VS Battle here, due to missing scans, context, unclear language, etc. Someone would really have to be in the know to understand it in a random VS match.
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So it’s basically confirmed that Shingen also had a path. So we got two path users (though ig 3 now with Jinyoung achieving it now) from Gen zero.
Edit: Also realized that Kitae was stated to be in the same realm as Prime Gap and Shingen so it should be valid evidence for high 8-c too. Maybe I’ll make a CRT on some upgrades
Edit: Also realized that Kitae was stated to be in the same realm as Prime Gap and Shingen so it should be valid evidence for high 8-c too. Maybe I’ll make a CRT on some upgrades
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