Lookism Discussion Thread

[Foriaa]

Genuinely insane chapter, wonderful art from PTJ. Seems like Daniel will have another path as well.

 

[CatLover313]

Mujin still a bum btw

 

[Reiner04]

PB w/o UI is biggest bum atm. He's as irrelevant as possible.

 

[Foriaa]

Daniel needs to die in his second body

 

[Reiner04]

Daniel needs to die in his second body

Hey PB still has UI, as long as daniel can control it, he is still useful.

 

[Reiner04]

Since OB broke himself and likely gonna be hospitalised for several months, PB's focused arc might will began next.

 

[CatLover313]

I wonder what the next arc will be, maybe just a recruiting arc but where? It’ll def focus on upgrading PB Daniel cuz man, that body needs an upgrade badly

 

[Pyro9278]

I wonder what the next arc will be, maybe just a recruiting arc but where? It’ll def focus on upgrading PB Daniel cuz man, that body needs an upgrade badly

We'll probably get a Pre-Generation flashback before PB Daniel gets a buff. By the way, I think we can already confirm H8C for the following characters: both of Daniel's bodies in UI, Gun True UI, Kitae Kim, probably James Lee, and we'll likely confirm Jinyoung's H8C with his path in the next chapter, although it seems like it should be confirmed already.

 

[Pyro9278]

Btw, the floor compression via LS should be valid. I've seen the same action on two panels with Jinyoung already.

 

[CatLover313]

We'll probably get a Pre-Generation flashback before PB Daniel gets a buff. By the way, I think we can already confirm H8C for the following characters: both of Daniel's bodies in UI, Gun True UI, Kitae Kim, probably James Lee, and we'll likely confirm Jinyoung's H8C with his path in the next chapter, although it seems like it should be confirmed already.

Basically everyone I thought of getting an upgrade too. I'll try to post the CRT in a couple of hours, it'll take a little more time because I'm also trying to fix some issues I see on their pages (Kitae's profile has a looot of missing scans)

 

[Reiner04]

We'll probably get a Pre-Generation flashback before PB Daniel gets a buff. By the way, I think we can already confirm H8C for the following characters: both of Daniel's bodies in UI, Gun True UI, Kitae Kim, probably James Lee, and we'll likely confirm Jinyoung's H8C with his path in the next chapter, although it seems like it should be confirmed already.

Didn't Gun w/o UI and PB Daniel UI went toe to toe in early chapters.

 

[Pyro9278]

Didn't Gun w/o UI and PB Daniel UI went toe to toe in early chapters.

We don't know how the fight unfolded. It's quite possible that PB Daniel UI had the upper hand until Gun figured out how to counter it. Even so, scaling to Gun's base H8C creates significant chainscaling issues (it's extremely rare to see the entire verse scale to H8C via Gun).

 

[Pyro9278]

Basically everyone I thought of getting an upgrade too. I'll try to post the CRT in a couple of hours, it'll take a little more time because I'm also trying to fix some issues I see on their pages (Kitae's profile has a looot of missing scans)

What do you plan to do with this CRT, an update to the profiles or level improvements?

 

[CatLover313]

What do you plan to do with this CRT, an update to the profiles or level improvements?

Main thing is just upgrading those characters to High 8-C. Some minor stuff is adding abilities + fixing Kitae's Page, make a new OG Body Daniel key (Chapter 600 and above when he got that powerup), and upgrade some LS if there is any connective scaling. I thought about trying to fix the other pages too, but I rather try to finish this soon.

 

[Viott]

So it’s basically confirmed that Shingen also had a path. So we got two path users (though ig 3 now with Jinyoung achieving it now) from Gen zero.

Edit: Also realized that Kitae was stated to be in the same realm as Prime Gap and Shingen so it should be valid evidence for high 8-c too. Maybe I’ll make a CRT on some upgrades

In this case, Daniel Park should also be High 8-C.

 

[Pyro9278]

In this case, Daniel Park should also be High 8-C.

Why?

 

[Viott]

Btw, the floor compression via LS should be valid. I've seen the same action on two panels with Jinyoung already.

There is no evidence that he compressed the ground by applying force.

 

[Pyro9278]

I find it plausible that SB Daniel's base durability scaling to H8C, since he was able to withstand quite a few attacks from Kitae while in a deplorable physical condition and with almost no energy left. However, his AP shouldn't scale based on just one attack. We already saw that even with his awakening, the attacks that followed didn't have the same effect.

 

[Viott]

Why?

Daniel Park said he was able to hurt Gitae Kim. I know he struck his weak point, but that doesn’t mean Daniel is thousands of times weaker.


Also, even when Gitae Kim landed heavy punches on Daniel, Daniel was still able to withstand them.

 

[Pyro9278]

There is no evidence that he compressed the ground by applying force.

Jinyoung appears to be creating imperfections in the ground, and he's not actually hitting the ground, as we even see him arching his foot on it and not simply hitting it with the entire insole. Something similar happened with Gun and was dismissed, but here they make it clearer that it's not a strike, but an effort he makes in a specific posture.

 

[CatLover313]

Oh, the argument is on if Post-powerup True Body Daniel Park scaling to High 8-C in his base form. Hmm, he did only land one hit that was able to damage Kitae Kim, however, the rest of his attacks in that episode weren't shown to have any damage besides that one hit. I'll see what the common opinion is.

 

[Pyro9278]

Daniel Park said he was able to hurt Gitae Kim. I know he struck his weak point, but that doesn’t mean Daniel is thousands of times weaker.

It can be considered a "Higher" via Path, however after that Daniel did no further significant damage in Kitae.

 

[Viott]

Jinyoung appears to be creating imperfections in the ground, and he's not actually hitting the ground, as we even see him arching his foot on it and not simply hitting it with the entire insole. Something similar happened with Gun and was dismissed, but here they make it clearer that it's not a strike, but an effort he makes in a specific posture.

Since this is a panel, it is not entirely clear that he compressed the ground by applying force.

 

[Pyro9278]

Since this is a panel, it is not entirely clear that he compressed the ground by applying force.

Well, it's understandable given the lack of context. Although it could serve to describe Jinyoung's LS.

 

[Viott]

Oh, the argument is on if Post-powerup True Body Daniel Park scaling to High 8-C in his base form. Hmm, he did only land one hit that was able to damage Kitae Kim, however, the rest of his attacks in that episode weren't shown to have any damage besides that one hit. I'll see what the common opinion is.

I think he can damage him at the place where he saw the light flash.


In the following panels, he saw the light flash again, and this time Gitae Kim didn’t allow him to attack.

 

[Pyro9278]

Oh, the argument is on if Post-powerup True Body Daniel Park scaling to High 8-C in his base form. Hmm, he did only land one hit that was able to damage Kitae Kim, however, the rest of his attacks in that episode weren't shown to have any damage besides that one hit. I'll see what the common opinion is.

We can't escale AP it based on a single blow that might have caught Kitae off guard, as it could also have been a brief surge of strength. Furthermore, let's remember that it's quite common for people to empower themselves solely through willpower in verse.

 

[Pyro9278]

We can't escale AP it based on a single blow that might have caught Kitae off guard, as it could also have been a brief surge of strength. Furthermore, let's remember that it's quite common for people to empower themselves solely through willpower in verse.

The most appropriate grade is 9-A+ "Higher".

 

[Viott]

Also, even if AP is not allowed, the durability should be High 8-C.

 

[Pyro9278]

Also, even if AP is not accepted, his durability should at least be High 8-C.

I agree with this. By the way, at this point we can dismantle the Path>Pathless argument, right?

 

[Viott]

I agree with this. By the way, at this point we can dismantle the Path>Pathless argument, right?

Yeah.

 

[Pyro9278]

In addition to the AP buff, many characters also have new LS values. The scale is somewhat long, but it should be as follows:

Those who scale to Zack's value:
Gen 2: Jake, Samuel, Johan, both Daniels, Eli, Warren, Yuseong, Lineman, Ryuhei, and Mandeok Bang.

Gen 1: Gongseob (Current), Taeso (Current), Jinrang, Yujae, Jaegyon, and Sinu.

Gen 0: Paecheon Jo.

Those who scale to Gun's value:
Gen 2: Both Daniels in UI (both scale to Gun True UI's Class K value).

Gen 1.5: Goo only.

Gen 1: James Lee (should have two keys; in any case, the current one scales to Class 100, possibly Class K via Kitae), Kitae (scales to Class K).

Gen 0: Gapryong and Shingen (both in their prime should climb to Gun True UI's Class K), Mujin Jin (finally a ranking that isn't "possibly"), Jinyoung, Elite, Tom Lee, Manager Kim and in general anyone who proves to be comparable to any of the mentioned.

It's ironic that Vin Jin isn't showing up, but oh well, PTJ distributes its characters as best it can, we just have to hope he doesn't suffer any debuffs or other humiliations. I'm also starting to think we need to delete the HFW key for Zack, though I'm not entirely sure.

 

[Pyro9278]

In addition to the AP buff, many characters also have new LS values. The scale is somewhat long, but it should be as follows:

Those who scale to Zack's value:
Gen 2: Jake, Samuel, Johan, both Daniels, Eli, Warren, Yuseong, Lineman, Ryuhei, and Mandeok Bang.

Gen 1: Gongseob (Current), Taeso (Current), Jinrang, Yujae, Jaegyon, and Sinu.

Gen 0: Paecheon Jo.

Those who scale to Gun's value:
Gen 2: Both Daniels in UI (both scale to Gun True UI's Class K value).

Gen 1.5: Goo only.

Gen 1: James Lee (should have two keys; in any case, the current one scales to Class 100, possibly Class K via Kitae), Kitae (scales to Class K).

Gen 0: Gapryong and Shingen (both in their prime should climb to Gun True UI's Class K), Mujin Jin (finally a ranking that isn't "possibly"), Jinyoung, Elite, Tom Lee, Manager Kim and in general anyone who proves to be comparable to any of the mentioned.

It's ironic that Vin Jin isn't showing up, but oh well, PTJ distributes its characters as best it can, we just have to hope he doesn't suffer any debuffs or other humiliations. I'm also starting to think we need to delete the HFW key for Zack, though I'm not entirely sure.

If I'm missing any characters, let me know, although some like Jichang or Seongji might not appear because there's no way to connect them to the characters from more recent arcs, and no, young Jinrang shouldn't be in Class 100 (which should be a separate key).

 

[CatLover313]

In addition to the AP buff, many characters also have new LS values. The scale is somewhat long, but it should be as follows:

Those who scale to Zack's value:
Gen 2: Jake, Samuel, Johan, both Daniels, Eli, Warren, Yuseong, Lineman, Ryuhei, and Mandeok Bang.

Gen 1: Gongseob (Current), Taeso (Current), Jinrang, Yujae, Jaegyon, and Sinu.

Gen 0: Paecheon Jo.

Those who scale to Gun's value:
Gen 2: Both Daniels in UI (both scale to Gun True UI's Class K value).

Gen 1.5: Goo only.

Gen 1: James Lee (should have two keys; in any case, the current one scales to Class 100, possibly Class K via Kitae), Kitae (scales to Class K).

Gen 0: Gapryong and Shingen (both in their prime should climb to Gun True UI's Class K), Mujin Jin (finally a ranking that isn't "possibly"), Jinyoung, Elite, Tom Lee, Manager Kim and in general anyone who proves to be comparable to any of the mentioned.

It's ironic that Vin Jin isn't showing up, but oh well, PTJ distributes its characters as best it can, we just have to hope he doesn't suffer any debuffs or other humiliations. I'm also starting to think we need to delete the HFW key for Zack, though I'm not entirely sure.

I don't believe we should scale anyone to Zack's value as his HFW key (we definitely shouldn't delete that, it was shown that he still trains so he's stronger than his previous key) doesn't have any actual scaling to anyone besides guesswork and vibes. Plus, scaling LS is different from AP and Durability, they need to be shown actually having some contest of strength other than just being able to damage them with a strike or withstand their strike.

Though on that note, I do believe both Daniel's in UI's still scale to Gun's Class 100 (than multiply that by 3 due to TUI 3x strength boost making it Class K) feat (I believe there was a scene where PB UI Daniel could throw TUI Gun which would count as "viable" for LS scaling. True Body UI Daniel would scale to Class K in U.I. because the story says he was imitating PB UI Daniel). Kitae scales to Class K too because True Body UI Daniel couldn't escape his grasp. Goo would scale to Class 100 because there was a scene where he with his swords and Gun with the steel batons clashed and they held that position for seemingly a few moments which I believe counts. James has narrative I guess.

 

[Pyro9278]

I don't believe we should scale anyone to Zack's value as his HFW key (we definitely shouldn't delete that, it was shown that he still trains so he's stronger than his previous key) doesn't have any actual scaling to anyone besides guesswork and vibes. Plus, scaling LS is different from AP and Durability, they need to be shown actually having some contest of strength other than just being able to damage them with a strike or withstand their strike.

Though on that note, I do believe both Daniel's in UI's still scale to Gun's Class 100 (than multiply that by 3 due to TUI 3x strength boost making it Class K) feat (I believe there was a scene where PB UI Daniel could throw TUI Gun which would count as "viable" for LS scaling. True Body UI Daniel would scale to Class K in U.I. because the story says he was imitating PB UI Daniel). Kitae scales to Class K too because True Body UI Daniel couldn't escape his grasp. Goo would scale to Class 100 because there was a scene where he with his swords and Gun with the steel batons clashed and they held that position for seemingly a few moments which I believe counts. James has narrative I guess.

Gongseob scales to Zack's level, and consequently, so do all the others, since it doesn't make much sense to see Gongseob as weaker than Zack when he's the one training him. Furthermore, the Kings of that level also scale, or at least Taeso, who is comparable, and then those who are superior, like Jinrang, Yujae, and Jaegyon (and these latter ones cause Paecheon to scale). I'm still not sure, but it's possible to scale Gen 2 based on the members of the Dark Crocodile Society; James makes several statements about their level, and at least Yujae's henchmen are declared to be above the average King.

 

[Pyro9278]

I don't believe we should scale anyone to Zack's value as his HFW key (we definitely shouldn't delete that, it was shown that he still trains so he's stronger than his previous key) doesn't have any actual scaling to anyone besides guesswork and vibes. Plus, scaling LS is different from AP and Durability, they need to be shown actually having some contest of strength other than just being able to damage them with a strike or withstand their strike.

Though on that note, I do believe both Daniel's in UI's still scale to Gun's Class 100 (than multiply that by 3 due to TUI 3x strength boost making it Class K) feat (I believe there was a scene where PB UI Daniel could throw TUI Gun which would count as "viable" for LS scaling. True Body UI Daniel would scale to Class K in U.I. because the story says he was imitating PB UI Daniel). Kitae scales to Class K too because True Body UI Daniel couldn't escape his grasp. Goo would scale to Class 100 because there was a scene where he with his swords and Gun with the steel batons clashed and they held that position for seemingly a few moments which I believe counts. James has narrative I guess.

Also, there's no problem with Manager Kim and the Fist Gang getting into Class 100, right?

 

[CatLover313]

Gongseob scales to Zack's level, and consequently, so do all the others, since it doesn't make much sense to see Gongseob as weaker than Zack when he's the one training him. Furthermore, the Kings of that level also scale, or at least Taeso, who is comparable, and then those who are superior, like Jinrang, Yujae, and Jaegyon (and these latter ones cause Paecheon to scale). I'm still not sure, but it's possible to scale Gen 2 based on the members of the Dark Crocodile Society; James makes several statements about their level, and at least Yujae's henchmen are declared to be above the average King.

Training someone doesn't necessitate being stronger than them. I rather not scale someone to a feat unless they actually have real connective scaling (i.e. a feat or reliable statement). I dislike guesswork/vibe scaling that while seems reasonable, it causes a bad precedent on what counts as actual scaling (Kind of how we got Hudson to High 8-C like a year ago as it started with some fair scaling and assumptions and then just kept going).

I'll comment again later on LS scaling and the rest but the CRT I'm making just touches 5 characters. I don't want to add more for now. I rather finish this up soon

 

[Pyro9278]

Training someone doesn't necessitate being stronger than them. I rather not scale someone to a feat unless they actually have real connective scaling (i.e. a feat or reliable statement). I dislike guesswork/vibe scaling that while seems reasonable, it causes a bad precedent on what counts as actual scaling (Kind of how we got Hudson to High 8-C like a year ago as it started with some fair scaling and assumptions and then just kept going).

I'll comment again later on LS scaling and the rest but the CRT I'm making just touches 5 characters. I don't want to add more for now. I rather finish this up soon

That makes sense, and it's a scale I'll be considering soon anyway. Even so, we still need to organize the Class 50 for the other characters.

 

[CatLover313]

That makes sense, and it's a scale I'll be considering soon anyway. Even so, we still need to organize the Class 50 for the other characters.

Yeah, they do still def need an upgrade and I can think of many reasons/connections to at least the Jaegyeon Class 50 feat.

 

[CatLover313]

Made the CRT, I'll let everyone see, review it, and make any suggestions before asking staff to evaluate it.

 

[Pyro9278]

If I had to make a top list of the best copying talents, who would they be? I ask because I don't know if Daniel UI's copying is as good as Jinyoung's, who is able to effectively copy Unique Skills even though PB Daniel can't according to Jinrang.