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LMK additions #7

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1. Ad infinitum layers for chaos and SF

While approved here that the Primordial Chaos constantly adapts to the Pillar of Heaven ever since the universe is created, it does so continuously forever as Nüwa mentioned she’s gonna keep recycling the universe countless times again and again as she did with all previous cycles that ever existed. Samadhi Fire would also scale to the layers as it’s the one thing that can erase the Primordial Chaos

2. History erasure for SF

As the Samadhi Fire can erase everything including the Hypertimeline, it should have history erasure. To further prove this, Lady Bone Demon who plans to possess the Samadhi Fire, mentions she can erase the very memory of someone from the world such as Sun Wukong and Macaque

3. Superhuman Precision for Gold Vision

Characters whenever activate their Gold Vision, can be see objects with such high precision even from very far distances such as MK and Wukong​
 
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Arency said:
1. Ad infinitum layers for chaos and SF

While approved here that the Primordial Chaos constantly adapts to the Pillar of Heaven ever since the universe is created, it does so continuously forever as Nüwa mentioned she’s gonna keep recycling the universe countless times again and again as she did with all previous cycles that ever existed. Samadhi Fire would also scale to the layers as it’s the one thing that can erase the Primordial Chaos
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We typically need more than this for infinite layers.
Arency said:
2. History erasure for SF

As the Samadhi Fire can erase everything including the Hypertimeline, it should have history erasure. To further prove this, Lady Bone Demon who plans to possess the Samadhi Fire, mentions she can erase the very memory of someone from the world such as Sun Wukong and Macaque
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Is there proof it can erase the realms temporally?
Arency said:
3. Superhuman Precision for Gold Vision

Characters whenever activate their Gold Vision, can be see objects with such high precision even from very far distances such as MK and Wukong​
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This looks like Clairvoyance.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
We typically need more than this for infinite layers.

Is there proof it can erase the realms temporally?
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Its not infinite layers, its ad-infinitum which is when layers continously getting higher but not having infinite value. It's the case for the primordial chaos as it continously adapting to the pillar of heaven forever.

Complete universe erasure is by extension including temporality considering its accepted being a hypertimeline.

Also with Wukong's golden eyes, his clairvoyance should have L1C range since he was able to precisely tell MK's location within the scroll of memory and goes to his location with his time travel ability and was also able to talk to MK even from different time periods.
 
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Arency said:
Its not infinite layers, its ad-infinitum which is when layers continously getting higher but not having infinite value. It's the case for the primordial chaos as it continously adapting to the pillar of heaven forever.

Complete universe erasure is by extension including temporality considering its accepted being a hypertimeline.

Also with Wukong's golden eyes, his clairvoyance should have L1C range since he was able to precisely tell MK's location within the scroll of memory and goes to his location with his time travel ability and was also able to talk to MK even from different time periods.
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Which is not enough to upgrade the character, unless you're not intending to use it to upgrade their tier?

I don't believe we inherently give our Temporal EE for the erasure of a timeline, hyper or otherwise.

Don't know enough about the verse to comment on the range
 
Arency said:
It's not about upgrading the tier? It's just the hax layers.

Yeah it is according to this.
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Yeah, I was thinking that might have been the case. Just a reminder to be more clear with what you're actually proposing. It sounded more like you were arguing for infinite layers. Not sure how the wiki would handle it tbh

Fair enough.
 
SomebodyData said:
Yeah, I was thinking that might have been the case. Just a reminder to be more clear with what you're actually proposing. It sounded more like you were arguing for infinite layers. Not sure how the wiki would handle it tbh

Fair enough.
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Ah, sorry then. So do you agree with everything here? Except the range
 
Arency said:
Ah, sorry then. So do you agree with everything here? Except the range
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So what are you proposing with the ad infinitum layers? Because I'm not sure how the wiki would index that

I will also note that the thread you linked never actually was concluded.
 
SomebodyData said:
So what are you proposing with the ad infinitum layers? Because I'm not sure how the wiki would index that

I will also note that the thread you linked never actually was concluded.
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Basically just the haxes for chaos physiology and sf. I think other various verses already has ad infinitum so just index it similar as them.

Qawsed mention it is something that already exists by default so would be fine for now.
 
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Where in this remotely translates to ad infinitum layers? Nothing here remotely talks about the person adapting against a resistance and it going on forever
 
Theglassman12 said:
Where in this remotely translates to ad infinitum layers? Nothing here remotely talks about the person adapting against a resistance and it going on forever
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The idea is that since the Primordial Chaos adapted to the pillar, it would grant 1 layer but since Fate constantly is in a state of passively getting improved which is the one that helps the pillar adapted to the primordial chaos, it would grant ad infinitum since it goes on for countless cycles.

And what are your thoughts on the other things here?
 
That doesn't sound like ad infinitum layers, you're gonna need to have scans that substantiate these claims that it's literally resisting and getting stronger in each layer. Just having a statement of a cycle repeating over and over again isn't proof.
 
Theglassman12 said:
That doesn't sound like ad infinitum layers, you're gonna need to have scans that substantiate these claims that it's literally resisting and getting stronger in each layer. Just having a statement of a cycle repeating over and over again isn't proof.
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Well what are your thoughts on the rest
 
Not really seeing temporal erasure from that alone, you're gonna need more evidence in regards to targeting someone's timeline as opposed to a "he can destroy this realm" type feat or it being stated its erasure spreads across all of time itself.

Enhanced senses looks fine to me.
 
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Not really seeing temporal erasure from that alone, you're gonna need more evidence in regards to targeting someone's timeline as opposed to a "he can destroy this realm" type feat or it being stated its erasure spreads across all of time itself.
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The samadhi fire is stated capable of burning through everything, even including beyond the universe which includes the primordial chaos that exists outside of the universe and time completely.

It already has l1c tier as capable of erasing the hypertimeline so history erasure would be included as stated by Qawsed that erasing any timeline would include history.
 
Where does it say it's erasing time itself? You're gonna need to prove that they're using this ability to erase things temporally as opposed to this being an AP feat.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Where does it say it's erasing time itself? You're gonna need to prove that they're using this ability to erase things temporally as opposed to this being an AP feat.
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I dont know what you mean by erasing time itself? Pretty sure burning through the entire cosmology reality into nothing would already automatically included time. There's isn't a context that mentions otherwise
 
That sounds more like an AP feat without any further context. Extrapolating that to history level erasure is a NLF unless you can prove the characters are specifically doing it.
 
Theglassman12 said:
That sounds more like an AP feat without any further context. Extrapolating that to history level erasure is a NLF unless you can prove the characters are specifically doing it.
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SF already has EE at the profile tho? Also dont know why extrapolating to history level is nlf since Qawsed mentions any timeline destruction will effect history by default

Also it is already included in the op that LBD mentions she can erase sun wukong and macaque specifically to the point everyone forgets they ever existed via SF
 
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Theglassman12 said:
Where does it say that on the page? Because all I'm getting is just statements of it burning the cosmology, which again sounds like an AP feat at best. Can you prove you're specifically erasing beings across time or is this just stretching a cosmology nuking to extra haxes? Because we have a standard change to where trying to nuke realities or cosmologies doesn't automatically grant you different abilities by default.
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It burns reality into nothing which is EE. Also the statement about erasing wukong to the point he gets forgotten by everyone here and macaque here

I think that specifically only talked about laws, concepts or info2 as history doesn't have its own page as an ability, its further elaborated by qawsed here. You could tag him or spaceman if you want for further input
 
The scan talks about the fire destroying the entire universe, which again sounds like an AP feat. You need some proof that there’s some Dragon Ball Hakai stuff going on with the fire to give it EE.

It’s also talking about specific levels of erasure too since history erasure is compared to conceptual and informational erasure.
 
Theglassman12 said:
The scan talks about the fire destroying the entire universe, which again sounds like an AP feat. You need some proof that there’s some Dragon Ball Hakai stuff going on with the fire to give it EE.

It’s also talking about specific levels of erasure too since history erasure is compared to conceptual and informational erasure.
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There was two times about statements regarding erasure from LBD? Also Erasure is basically turning reality into nothing. Also Dragon Ball? You mean also like Zeno who has history erasure for erasing the entire hypertimeline?

Can you tag qawsed and spaceman here then?
 
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