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If a character can crush the arm of a 7C durable character with their grip strength would it mean their grip strength is equivalent to the character's durability?
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Lifting strength question
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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I don't think AP can be converted to LS like that. There's no such thing as 7-C Grip since the potency is by LS standards, not Striking Strength or AP
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I mean shattering the arm of someone that has 7C durability through pure grip strength instead throwing a simple punch is vastly distinct.
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At that point it isn't LS anymore, it's AP.
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Doesn't seem like it, profile prolly doesn't account for Mk46 being a non-combatant armor.
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This one would be F= ma
The overpowering part would be legit, but the crushing? I guess you could try and figure out gold-titanium alloy's crushing strength and WS's palm being the area he applies that force. I almost thought this'd enter calc-stacking territory if we tried extrapolating LS from Iron Man's dura but then I remembered what Iron Man's armors were normally made of. I think Spino made a calc for this, no?
Textbook AP
This one be LS.
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Yeah, I just thought that the OP’s point is similar to WS crushing IM’s arm being listed under AP.
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Gotta find the displacement of the crushing to get AP out of it. Since Work= Force x Displacement.
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So grip strength is more AP than LS?
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Mostly if you have no idea about the compressive strength of the item you're crushing.
But yes, if you're doing this to fictional characters who have a certain durability, then it's just AP, for deriving LS from a fictional character's body like that (Unless you can prove they can wrestle with each other and the other character has a set LS) goes deep into calc-stacking territory.
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So in most cases 7C with grip strength Instead?
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Ye (Unless of course the 7C has their own separate LS rating and the character gripping the 7C's arm has shown to be able to overpower said 7C character in a wrestling scenario as well, in which case the other guy would scale to 7C in both AP and their LS).
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Well it'd be odd or based (depending on the context) for a 9B robot to have 7C AP through grip strength. And yes the robot is stronger than agents significantly smaller than its size, except for the pillar chief of neuro who casually turned the body of another character over who's shown to be able to wrestle with this robot and overpowered it.
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There's a lot more to it than them just having crush hands of higher-tiered people tho. Powerscaling, consistency, outliers, etc.
Nothing new. Transformers has smaller bots able to casually overpower Tier 8 robots. Case in point, Cogman, a Headmaster unit, easily twisting Crosshairs' finger and making him reel in pain unable to do anything against the smaller bot. Normal Corvette-sized bots can effortlessly hurl cars of similar size and weight several meters into the distance with ease.
Smaller =/= weaker. It can also be the opposite.
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That's why I prefer labelling as LS rather than AP, tho the character's arm that it crushed would have lower LS than the robot in general.
Yes, but in this particular verse, that's the only showing of smaller characters overpowering larger ones, this character is actually one of the most powerful agents in the verse.
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Kapoof
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Also I want to point out that one of the profiles has class m lifting strength through a grip strength feat.
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Is it from a calc? Or is it from crushing the body part of a person with Class M LS?
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Crushing coal so hard it turned into diamond.
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Yeah uh, this isn't the first time the whole "crushing coal into diamonds" thing has been done.
Some say it's Transmutation hax. But IRL, it is impossible to do so, and thus, also impossible to calculate.
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Then better remove that off of Nomi no Sukune II's page.
And also everyone else's page from Grappler Baki who scales to it.
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He never crushed the alloy. If you watch the scene the gauntlet is undamaged but the repulsor glass is cracked. It's why the Class 100 ratings for them are being removed.
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Ah, okay then.
I thought there were more reasons for their Class 100 being removed tho, like them only lifting T-54/T-55 tanks and Mark 46 being a non-combatant armor and whatnot.
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Do we need to make a CRT to remove class m lifting strength for some Baki profiles?
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Maybe?
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I mean...can I just strip all class m from Baki profiles without the need of a CRT?
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Use this CRT as justification I guess?
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Is it really impossible? I remember I heard that in school, but I don't remember that it was impossible
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You do that in a very short amount of time, coal would be pulverized before it had any chance to turn into diamond. It's a very long process for the carbon atoms to form the lattice structure of diamond actually.
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Really need standards placed on the calc pages for diamond bending tbbh
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I wouldn't want to grant someone heat resistance just by turning coal into diamond tho.
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Yes. It is indeed impossible to do it through sheer pressure alone, you need heat as well.
So ye, can't be an LS feat.
