ThePrimalHunter
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This CRT will mainly be focusing on the Leatherface Profile and how I think we can fix it, as well as maybe touch on some of the other profiles in the verse
First things first, Leatherface. I think we should do with Leatherface's profile what we did with Michael Myer's profile and make each of the timelines their own pages.
Reason 1: It makes the Leatherface profile less cluttered
Reason 2: Each of the keys have different levels of power. Original Timeline Leatherface is about 1.6kj due to punching through a door in one of the sequals (The third movie iirc), while 2022 Leatherface would be roughly between 375 - 9920 joules due to breaking a man's bone, which is a pretty big difference in power. Intelligence is also pretty different, as 3D Timeline Leatherface as actually been shown to be relatively average in intelligence, while his other 2 versions are legally mentally handicapped. So overall, each of the timelines have different levels of power, and it would be best to seperate them into different pages
Reason 3: We did it with Michael, I feel like it's only fair we do it with Bubba
Seperating the keys into different pages isn't the only thing I wanted to reccomend though. I think we got some things wrong with some of the keys and I want to fix that
All Profiles
All following changes I recommend I think should be applied to all Leatherface profiles
Weapon Mastery: All of the Leatherfaces have shown great proficency with their chainsaws and mallets and can use them effectively in battle, so they should all get that
High Pain Tolerance: All 3 of the Leatherfaces can keep fighting at full force after experiencing extreme levels of pain and don't even really react to pain all that much. So all 3 should have this on their profile
Now to cover each of them individually
Original Timeline (TCM 1-4)
First, Leatherface should have Peak Human Physical Characteristics, not Superhuman. Leatherface scales to 1.6kj due to punching a hole through a door. Mike Tyson was able to punch that hard back in his prime, making Leatherface just as strong as a peak human. His durability might be superhuman, but that can be debated later
Lastly, he should have Type 2 Immortality. Leatherface survived having a running chainsaw in his intestines, which was actively destroying his internal organs because it was still on, and he survived. He only "died" due to the grenade blast which happened later.
Everything else looks good on the Original Timeline Leatherface key. So just change a few things and he should be good for his own page. The match with the Wendigo from Until Dawn can be put on this profile, as that match was using OG Timeline Leatherface's key, and it would only make sense. These changes don't change too much either, so that match can be kept
3D Timeline (Leatherface, TCM 1, & TCM 3D)
Be warned, I haven't seen either Leatherface or TCM 3D in a while, so most of what I say is likely wrong as most of this is just from memory
So iirc, in the prequal film "Leatherface", a younger Bubba crushes a cop's skull with a car door, which would be 3000 - 3900 Joules. Even if he didn't crush the skull, he still killed the cop using a car door, which still supports baseline Street Level. He should have that feat listed.
His durability should also just be "Street Level" not "At Least Street Level". He survived a shotgun blast which can produce 3200 Joules of energy, so the wording should be changed
He should also have "Average" intelligence. Although he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, he has shown better critical thinking than the other timeline versions and in Leatherface, was portraid as being an average kid with relatively average intelligence, so that should also be mentioned
That's about all I have. His Class 5 LS and Wall Level Chainsaw do still work, and he still does deserve Superhuman Physical Characteristics
2022 Timeline (TCM & TCM (2022))
I think 2022 Leatherface should get "At least Street Level" due to his most impressive feat being easily breaking a police officers arm, which is usually 375 - 9920 Joules. The reason I think he should be "At least Street Level" is because he did this feat incredibly casually. He pretty much just flicked his wrist and the entire arm snapped like a twig
Also, I don't think his chainsaw should be Wall Level. I don't think you need to be Wall Level to pull off the feats he preforms with his chainsaw. Maybe a "Far Higher with his Chainsaw" would work, but I don't think it qualifies for Wall Level
His LS should also be Peak Human. I don't think Athlele level characters can just throw a person that far that casually. He can also overpower small groups of people as shown with the bus scene, which I feel like would require more than 500 lbs of force to do. It might just be me, but I think a bump to his LS is justified
That's all I have for the 2022 Timeline. Everything looks fine there
Bud Horton
He's not a leatherface, but he is a character we have a page for, and he is a Texas Chainsaw Massacre character, so I might as well look at him too.
First, neither of his AP feats really work. iirc, he beat the 2 men to death, I don't think he ever broke one of their necks by punching it. The other feat, smashing Dr. Lang's head thorugh a window, was done over multiple blows, not in 1 go. He also broke through a regular window, not a windshield. So the calc wouldn't apply.
I still think he is Street Level though. He did kill 2 dudes by just straight up beating them to death and curbstomped one of the inmates to death, presumibly crushing their skull. He should also scale above a young Leatherface, as he was shown to be stronger than a young Jedidiah Sawyer. Bud only exists in the 3D timeline, so he would scale to that Leatherface's younger self
As for LS, I don't think he should scale to 3D Leatherface's Class 5 feat. That would be a massive outlier for Bud and for all we know Jedidiah got way stronger during the several year gap between Leatherface and TCM 3D. So in short, Bud is not scaling to flipping cars. He probably does deserve Peak Human LS though for crushing a skull which is 500 kg of force (Peak Human) and due to how easily he can overpower cops and young Leatherface.
That's about all I have
First things first, Leatherface. I think we should do with Leatherface's profile what we did with Michael Myer's profile and make each of the timelines their own pages.
Reason 1: It makes the Leatherface profile less cluttered
Reason 2: Each of the keys have different levels of power. Original Timeline Leatherface is about 1.6kj due to punching through a door in one of the sequals (The third movie iirc), while 2022 Leatherface would be roughly between 375 - 9920 joules due to breaking a man's bone, which is a pretty big difference in power. Intelligence is also pretty different, as 3D Timeline Leatherface as actually been shown to be relatively average in intelligence, while his other 2 versions are legally mentally handicapped. So overall, each of the timelines have different levels of power, and it would be best to seperate them into different pages
Reason 3: We did it with Michael, I feel like it's only fair we do it with Bubba
Seperating the keys into different pages isn't the only thing I wanted to reccomend though. I think we got some things wrong with some of the keys and I want to fix that
All Profiles
All following changes I recommend I think should be applied to all Leatherface profiles
Weapon Mastery: All of the Leatherfaces have shown great proficency with their chainsaws and mallets and can use them effectively in battle, so they should all get that
High Pain Tolerance: All 3 of the Leatherfaces can keep fighting at full force after experiencing extreme levels of pain and don't even really react to pain all that much. So all 3 should have this on their profile
Now to cover each of them individually
Original Timeline (TCM 1-4)
First, Leatherface should have Peak Human Physical Characteristics, not Superhuman. Leatherface scales to 1.6kj due to punching a hole through a door. Mike Tyson was able to punch that hard back in his prime, making Leatherface just as strong as a peak human. His durability might be superhuman, but that can be debated later
Lastly, he should have Type 2 Immortality. Leatherface survived having a running chainsaw in his intestines, which was actively destroying his internal organs because it was still on, and he survived. He only "died" due to the grenade blast which happened later.
Everything else looks good on the Original Timeline Leatherface key. So just change a few things and he should be good for his own page. The match with the Wendigo from Until Dawn can be put on this profile, as that match was using OG Timeline Leatherface's key, and it would only make sense. These changes don't change too much either, so that match can be kept
3D Timeline (Leatherface, TCM 1, & TCM 3D)
Be warned, I haven't seen either Leatherface or TCM 3D in a while, so most of what I say is likely wrong as most of this is just from memory
So iirc, in the prequal film "Leatherface", a younger Bubba crushes a cop's skull with a car door, which would be 3000 - 3900 Joules. Even if he didn't crush the skull, he still killed the cop using a car door, which still supports baseline Street Level. He should have that feat listed.
His durability should also just be "Street Level" not "At Least Street Level". He survived a shotgun blast which can produce 3200 Joules of energy, so the wording should be changed
He should also have "Average" intelligence. Although he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, he has shown better critical thinking than the other timeline versions and in Leatherface, was portraid as being an average kid with relatively average intelligence, so that should also be mentioned
That's about all I have. His Class 5 LS and Wall Level Chainsaw do still work, and he still does deserve Superhuman Physical Characteristics
2022 Timeline (TCM & TCM (2022))
I think 2022 Leatherface should get "At least Street Level" due to his most impressive feat being easily breaking a police officers arm, which is usually 375 - 9920 Joules. The reason I think he should be "At least Street Level" is because he did this feat incredibly casually. He pretty much just flicked his wrist and the entire arm snapped like a twig
Also, I don't think his chainsaw should be Wall Level. I don't think you need to be Wall Level to pull off the feats he preforms with his chainsaw. Maybe a "Far Higher with his Chainsaw" would work, but I don't think it qualifies for Wall Level
His LS should also be Peak Human. I don't think Athlele level characters can just throw a person that far that casually. He can also overpower small groups of people as shown with the bus scene, which I feel like would require more than 500 lbs of force to do. It might just be me, but I think a bump to his LS is justified
That's all I have for the 2022 Timeline. Everything looks fine there
Bud Horton
He's not a leatherface, but he is a character we have a page for, and he is a Texas Chainsaw Massacre character, so I might as well look at him too.
First, neither of his AP feats really work. iirc, he beat the 2 men to death, I don't think he ever broke one of their necks by punching it. The other feat, smashing Dr. Lang's head thorugh a window, was done over multiple blows, not in 1 go. He also broke through a regular window, not a windshield. So the calc wouldn't apply.
I still think he is Street Level though. He did kill 2 dudes by just straight up beating them to death and curbstomped one of the inmates to death, presumibly crushing their skull. He should also scale above a young Leatherface, as he was shown to be stronger than a young Jedidiah Sawyer. Bud only exists in the 3D timeline, so he would scale to that Leatherface's younger self
As for LS, I don't think he should scale to 3D Leatherface's Class 5 feat. That would be a massive outlier for Bud and for all we know Jedidiah got way stronger during the several year gap between Leatherface and TCM 3D. So in short, Bud is not scaling to flipping cars. He probably does deserve Peak Human LS though for crushing a skull which is 500 kg of force (Peak Human) and due to how easily he can overpower cops and young Leatherface.
That's about all I have
