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What he's saying is statements are enough to justify a tier
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League of Legends Discussion Thread 5
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It really isn't when there are no 7-A feats for them.
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Except there are, you just refuse to listen
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Well logically, if Azir can TK a kilometer-long disk of gold, an element that is an order of magnitude denser than rock, with a mere hand gesture in a non-combat situation when he just woke up from sleep, it stands to reason that he can TK a slab of rock with an OOM bigger size, again with a hand gesture that he isn't even putting any effort and the first thing that he has done after waking up in thousand of years (in other words, 'casually', not really something like those Nasuverse Servants' Noble Phantasms).
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I don't see why I have to listen to wank and assumptions when both you and Heinkel haven't given any proof yet.
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I just provided link that debaters already do not find it difficult to assign Azir very casual city level TK feat, and not on a city-sized rock but a city-sized gold that's orders of magnitude denser (and a more advanced form of lithomancy because he can not only manipulate rock but also metal).
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And none of them would extrapolate limits without reason like you do, I know because I post there as well.
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I don't see what's the problems with upgrading them to 'possibly 7-A' based on a statement that doesn't seem like a hyperbole.
Jiren was explicitly stated to be the strongest enemy in the DBverse, he gets Low 2-C.
Erebus was explicitly stated to be able to destroy mountains, he gets 7-A.
Aatrox (or whatever his name is) has been explicitly stated to destroy mountains, it doesn't seem too inconsistent with the rest of the verse as the casual City level feat, I don't see the problem with upgrading them to 7-B, possibly 7-A.
Jiren was explicitly stated to be the strongest enemy in the DBverse, he gets Low 2-C.
Erebus was explicitly stated to be able to destroy mountains, he gets 7-A.
Aatrox (or whatever his name is) has been explicitly stated to destroy mountains, it doesn't seem too inconsistent with the rest of the verse as the casual City level feat, I don't see the problem with upgrading them to 7-B, possibly 7-A.
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The only statement comes from Aatrox himself, and nothing else is given. Hence, I'm not sure on giving him a bump in tier on such vague reasoning.
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Two statements are given, from Aatrox himself that Shuriman Ascendants are mountain tier and the Historical Fact that Shurimans toppled mountains in half to 'take down' said Ascendants. Therefore their lower end and higher end range from casual City level to Mountain level.
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'Historical Fact' aka misinterpretation and wanking of a feat. Not making a great argument there.
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Regis, you really need to understand that disagreeing with a feat isnt automatically misinterpreting and wanking it
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For ***** sake Regis, our argument could be resolved without violating any conduct if we just agree to assign lower and higher ends for Ascendants. If you are inclined to use them as only casual City level, then use the low end from Azir and Xerath. If you want to use them against mountain opponents, then use those mountain level statements (or the alternate-universe Aatrox from God Staff Jax's universe who destroys mountains with autoattacks when he's last-hitting minions).
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But Heinkel isn't disagreeing? He's just assuming things and extrapolating without reason.
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Higher ends being assigned without valid reasoning isn't great for profile accuracy and makes it seem like wank. Especially when no calcs or feats are given.
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Character statements are actually reason, even if to a lower degree. Even if to a lower degree, they are still valid reasons.
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We have and calcs and feats though? We see first hand Azir's feat of lifting a city-sized gold disk that's OOM denser than rock very casually, and also all the crashed load-bearing buildings and constructs at the same time. If you are going to appeal to calcs then he can do this to a city-sized rock that's OOM larger.
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Not when there is no supporting evidence. Taking characters at their word can lead to inflated stats, which isn't what this wiki is about. You have still not shown a 7-A feat that Ascendants/Darkins can scale to reasonably without wildly assuming things.
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