Lazy cat vs Blue Yanderedev

[AppleMaker]

So basically it's Garfield vs Ao Oni

Garfield's profile: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Garfield
The Oni's profile: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Oni_(Ao_Oni)

Rules:
-Both are 9b
-Speed is equalized
-Garfield doesn't have any items and weapons
-Garfield doesn't have prior knowledge of The Oni and location
-Battle takes place at Oni's mansion
-Starting distance is 20 metres

"I hate mondays": 3 (@Arkansalter2); (@Bendynoah10); (@DaReaperMan)

"Shouldn't have went in that mansion":

Inconclusive:

 

[Arkansalter2]

Oni has homefield advantage.... that's all he's got.
Nothing is stopping Garfield from just toonforcing and haxing his way out of this.

 

[AppleMaker]

Oni has homefield advantage.... that's all he's got.
Nothing is stopping Garfield from just toonforcing and haxing his way out of this.

True, but Oni can just teleport from Garfield's BFR and attack him again until he's dead

 

[AppleMaker]

Oni has homefield advantage.... that's all he's got.
Nothing is stopping Garfield from just toonforcing and haxing his way out of this.

I guess you're voting for Garfield

 

[AppleMaker]

Bump

 

[AppleMaker]

Bump

 

[DaReaperMan]

True, but Oni can just teleport from Garfield's BFR and attack him again until he's dead

...Garfield has

A. Mid Regeneration that's practically instantaneous, literally requiring Oni to rip him to shreds to win... when Oni is at an AP disadvantage

B. Temporal BFR meaning that by the time Oni comes back he's already lost for getting BFR'd for a week. Also Garfield can just beat him down because Oni lacks survivability.

 

[AppleMaker]

...Garfield has

A. Mid Regeneration that's practically instantaneous, literally requiring Oni to rip him to shreds to win... when Oni is at an AP disadvantage

B. Temporal BFR meaning that by the time Oni comes back he's already lost for getting BFR'd for a week. Also Garfield can just beat him down because Oni lacks survivability.

I don't think Ao Oni have AP disadvantage, Garfield's AP lacks any calcs on his profile, while Ao Oni have AP at least 1136121.74 joules (common feat of wooden door destruction) which is a lot higher than baseline wall level. Also yep, I think I should have restricted Garfield's BFR

 

[HASE-1929]

I don't think Ao Oni have AP disadvantage, Garfield's AP lacks any calcs on his profile, while Ao Oni have AP at least 1136121.74 joules (common feat of wooden door destruction) which is a lot higher than baseline wall level. Also yep, I think I should have restricted Garfield's BFR

Honestly you don't really need a calc to see what Garfield has is way better (even if by an unquantifiable amount)+ao oni can't do anything about the mid Regen and class 5 Ls

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't think Ao Oni have AP disadvantage, Garfield's AP lacks any calcs on his profile, while Ao Oni have AP at least 1136121.74 joules (common feat of wooden door destruction) which is a lot higher than baseline wall level.

It's fragmentation, so Oni is 516 KJ while Garfield's AP is 783 KJ which he took 0 damage from.

Also yep, I think I should have restricted Garfield's BFR

Can't restrict hax.

 

[AppleMaker]

Honestly you don't really need a calc to see what Garfield has is way better (even if by an unquantifiable amount)+ao oni can't do anything about the mid Regen and class 5 Ls

Good point actually, only wincon Ao Oni have is homefield advantage and teleport spam (also I'm not sure if he could infect Garfield without killing him)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Good point actually, only wincon Ao Oni have is homefield advantage and teleport spam (also I'm not sure if he could infect Garfield without killing him)

That's not even a Wincon it's just annoying to Garfield until Oni runs out of stamina because it's unknown and Garfield's isn't so it tires out faster.

 

[AppleMaker]

That's not even a Wincon it's just annoying to Garfield until Oni runs out of stamina because it's unknown and Garfield's isn't so it tires out faster.

Well, he couldn't infect him I guess. Also about stamina thing - fight most likely won't take that long to tire anyone out (Ao Oni was chasing Hiroshi for a long time)

 

[HASE-1929]

Well, he couldn't infect him I guess. Also about stamina thing - fight most likely won't take that long to tire anyone out (Ao Oni was chasing Hiroshi for a long time)

I don't think chasing is comparable to fighting a guy who can rip you in half if he grabs you once

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well, he couldn't infect him I guess. Also about stamina thing - fight most likely won't take that long to tire anyone out (Ao Oni was chasing Hiroshi for a long time)

That required Garfield to LET himself get eaten lol

Oni is a hentai monster and this probably isn't a Monday, so Garfield kicks it lol

 

[AppleMaker]

I don't think chasing is comparable to fighting a guy who can rip you in half if he grabs you once

Maybe, also I doubt Garfield could actually rip The Oni in half, since Oni is far more durable than human and to do so it requires at least 82x lifting strength advantage

 

[AppleMaker]

Should I count your votes rn @DaReaperMan and @Bendynoah10 ?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Should I count your votes rn @DaReaperMan and @Bendynoah10 ?

I think it's a stomp so can't be added

 

[AppleMaker]

I think it's a stomp so can't be added

Ngl, I thought it would be farier battle since both are the same tier and The Oni had more precise stats and better experience (most likely)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ngl, I thought it would be farier battle since both are the same tier and The Oni had more precise stats and better experience (most likely)

You kinda have to make sure characters are at least close to eachother in the tiers, you got lucky that they are here, but for instance, War would get AP stomped by Deathwing even though they're both 5-B

 

[AppleMaker]

I think it's a stomp so can't be added

Who determines which match ups are stomp? I remember Tank vs Ao Oni match up actually got added to their profiles

 

[DaReaperMan]

Who determines which match ups are stomp? I remember Tank vs Ao Oni match up actually got added to their profiles

If one character has little to no chance of winning. For instance, if I have to extrapolate elaborate scenarios for a character to have a wincon, that's a stomp. Catching Garfield on a Monday, having him not fight back at all, and managing to eat him instead of trying to rip him apart, that's a stomp.

 

[AppleMaker]

If one character has little to no chance of winning. For instance, if I have to extrapolate elaborate scenarios for a character to have a wincon, that's a stomp. Catching Garfield on a Monday, having him not fight back at all, and managing to eat him instead of trying to rip him apart, that's a stomp.

Makes sense. Don't mind if I add your vote anyways?

 

[AppleMaker]

Makes sense. Don't mind if I add your vote anyways?

@DaReaperMan

 

[Imaginym]

Reposting because apparently I first found this thread via a dead duplicate of it:

Not sure what the stat gap is, but Garfield has Martial Arts, and can Regenerate.

The Oni's only edges seem to be that it can teleport & has stealth. Without an AP advantage, though, it'll have a tough time putting Garfield down, even if Garfield doesn't resort to chucking furniture at it.
Garfield has also bullied ghosts a few times, so I'm not sure he'd be scared, either.

Also, I'm surprised Garfield has no Enhanced Senses stuff on his profile. He's a cat. Does he not have any?

Also, what the heck, Garfield has no calcs for his tier on his profile?

Did some searching:

garfield slams a door

vsbattles.fandom.com

Wall Level AP Calc.... But it's recently had its 6th anniversary since being published & currently has no evaluation.

Garfield Bends A Ice Cream Trucl

vsbattles.fandom.com

There's also that, but it's probably an outlier.

Is none of the stuff in Garfield's AP Justification covered by Reference for Common Feats?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Reposting because apparently I first found this thread via a dead duplicate of it:

Not sure what the stat gap is, but Garfield has Martial Arts, and can Regenerate.

The Oni's only edges seem to be that it can teleport & has stealth. Without an AP advantage, though, it'll have a tough time putting Garfield down, even if Garfield doesn't resort to chucking furniture at it.
Garfield has also bullied ghosts a few times, so I'm not sure he'd be scared, either.

Also, I'm surprised Garfield has no Enhanced Senses stuff on his profile. He's a cat. Does he not have any?

Also, what the heck, Garfield has no calcs for his tier on his profile?

Did some searching:

garfield slams a door

vsbattles.fandom.com

Wall Level AP Calc.... But it's recently had its 6th anniversary since being published & currently has no evaluation.

Garfield Bends A Ice Cream Trucl

vsbattles.fandom.com

There's also that, but it's probably an outlier.

Is none of the stuff in Garfield's AP Justification covered by Reference for Common Feats?

Garfield does have something... scaling to his own durability because that cat harms folks who harm him all the time.

 

[Imaginym]

Garfield does have something... scaling to his own durability because that cat harms folks who harm him all the time.

Oh.
Oh thank goodness.

Garfield Busts Through a Cement wall

vsbattles.fandom.com

78,339.7163406 Joules Wall Level

Destroying a Door​

Standard size for a door is 2.032 m tall, 91.44 cm wide, and 3.334 cm thick.

Volume = 61947.75 cm^3

Fragmentation values for wood and steel can be found here.

Wood Door Fragmentation = 516644.24 Joules

V. Frag = 1136121.74 Joules

Pulverization = 2907827.38 Joules


Have I read that right?
if so, it's 516,644.24 / 78,339.7163406 = 6.59492099 times.

Almost a 6.59 times difference in the Oni's favor.

Though, Ao Oni has unjustified Superhuman (Which just means it's an unknown amount above Peak Human's 545.2 upper limit value.) versus Garfield's seemingly uncalced Class 5 that says that he "ripped off" (Lol, phrasing.) a large tree. Though, I suppose it is true, Garfield isn't above scamming from time to time.

Incidentally, physical flexibility & mobility may be a factor.
The Ao Oni has an unjustified Large Size Type 0, meaning it's at a minimum, 2.72 meters tall, & Garfield's Durability Calculation measured him sitting as being 54.73 cm tall.

Garfield's about 4.96 times smaller/shorter than the Ao Oni, so he's going to be proportionally even smaller of a target for it than a regular cat. Supposedly, that can be a pain for even regular humans.
Considering he can get into fight clouds, & regularly gets physical with his peers, I'd say it's safe to assume our fat cat, despite his ostensible obesity, could get quite mobile in melee.
But The Ao Oni has a huge head & stumpy limbs.
It's very likely outlifted & outmobilitied, even if it has the AP Advantage, which Garfield's Regeneration helps him against.

 

[AppleMaker]

Oh.
Oh thank goodness.

Garfield Busts Through a Cement wall

vsbattles.fandom.com

78,339.7163406 Joules Wall Level

Destroying a Door​

Standard size for a door is 2.032 m tall, 91.44 cm wide, and 3.334 cm thick.

Volume = 61947.75 cm^3

Fragmentation values for wood and steel can be found here.

Wood Door Fragmentation = 516644.24 Joules

V. Frag = 1136121.74 Joules

Pulverization = 2907827.38 Joules


Have I read that right?
if so, it's 516,644.24 / 78,339.7163406 = 6.59492099 times.

Almost a 6.59 times difference in the Oni's favor.

Though, Ao Oni has unjustified Superhuman (Which just means it's an unknown amount above Peak Human's 545.2 upper limit value.) versus Garfield's seemingly uncalced Class 5 that says that he "ripped off" (Lol, phrasing.) a large tree. Though, I suppose it is true, Garfield isn't above scamming from time to time.

Incidentally, physical flexibility & mobility may be a factor.
The Ao Oni has an unjustified Large Size Type 0, meaning it's at a minimum, 2.72 meters tall, & Garfield's Durability Calculation measured him sitting as being 54.73 cm tall.

Garfield's about 4.96 times smaller/shorter than the Ao Oni, so he's going to be proportionally even smaller of a target for it than a regular cat. Supposedly, that can be a pain for even regular humans.
Considering he can get into fight clouds, & regularly gets physical with his peers, I'd say it's safe to assume our fat cat, despite his ostensible obesity, could get quite mobile in melee.
But The Ao Oni has a huge head & stumpy limbs.
It's very likely outlifted & outmobilitied, even if it has the AP Advantage, which Garfield's Regeneration helps him against.

So, you're voting Garfield? I guess...

 

[Imaginym]

So, you're voting Garfield? I guess...

Tentatively. Until further debate, I guess.

Sorry if that disappoints you. FWIW, Superhuman LS could be higher than Class 5, but only because SH has a minimum with no defined upper limit, & Ao Oni is especially unclear in that regard with its lack of justification, so it COULD be higher.
& as said, Ao Oni also has an AP advantage, even if it may not be enough against Regen.

 

[AppleMaker]

Tentatively. Until further debate, I guess.

Sorry if that disappoints you. FWIW, Superhuman LS could be higher than Class 5, but only because SH has a minimum with no defined upper limit, & Ao Oni is especially unclear in that regard with its lack of justification, so it COULD be higher.
& as said, Ao Oni also has an AP advantage, even if it may not be enough against Regen.

So, you would just wait for someone's arguments? Also I won't make any arguments in this thread anymore, since I want to be more like a judge/spectator

 

[Imaginym]

So, you would just wait for someone's arguments?

Yeah. I want to know if anyone knowledgeable feels if there are any counterarguments to bring up or not.
Part of the fun of a debate is having an opposition, & it's important to consider all sides, I figure.

Also I won't make any arguments in this thread anymore, since I want to be more like a judge/spectator

A little surprising & disappointing, but fair enough. I've felt like that from time to time. In my cases, I'd say it's from wanting to avoid bias, & I could believe it's possible for a similar or identical consideration for you. No offense meant.