Law manipulation vs Conceptual Manipulation

[Sniper670]

How are they different, and is one stronger than the other?

 

[Vietthai96]

again, people should stop with asking what hax stronger what hax weaker, it is all depend on contexts and feats of the hax. You can have a downright useless Conceptual Manipulation type 1 in battle, or a minor Law Manipulation but deadly, no one know, it is depend on said hax performance.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Like all other vs/which hax is better threads, the answer is the same each time. It all depends on the extent of what it's been shown to do, on what scale, and its limitations.

Controlling the Laws of Bottles is going to be as useless as controlling the Concept of Stickers.

 

[Sniper670]

Well you see, I was more interested in a typical scenario, let's say one manipulates the law of gravity, and the other manipulates the concept of gravity.

At same potency, which one is superior to the other.

Sorry, a certain crt was making a big deal whether the ability was law hax or concept hax, kinda why I asked

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Well you see, I was more interested in a typical scenario, let's say one manipulates the law of gravity, and the other manipulates the concept of gravity.

At same potency, which one is superior to the other.

Sorry, a certain crt was making a big deal whether the ability was law hax or concept hax, kinda why I asked

Type 1 or 2 for Conceptual?

 

[Delta333]

Well you see, I was more interested in a typical scenario, let's say one manipulates the law of gravity, and the other manipulates the concept of gravity.

At same potency, which one is superior to the other.

Sorry, a certain crt was making a big deal whether the ability was law hax or concept hax, kinda why I asked

Should be equal, at least with type 2 concept since manipulating the law of gravity will somewhat indirectly affect the concept of gravity

 

[Sniper670]

Type 1 or 2 for Conceptual?

Type 1

 

[Sniper670]

Should be equal, at least with type 2 concept since manipulating the law of gravity will somewhat indirectly affect the concept of gravity

Well yeah. But what if the one manipulating the concept changes how gravity works, can the law hax overturn that

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Well yeah. But what if the one manipulating the concept changes how gravity works, can the law hax overturn that

I mean the Laws of Gravity would be dependent on whatever Gravity and its laws are defined as. So if the Type 1 Concept of Gravity is changed to governing over cereal, then the laws of gravity would change to manipulating the rules and outliners of cereal but still technically being the laws of gravity I guess.

The Laws are attached to the concept as the outliners, but the concept is what it is fundamentally at its core.

 

[Delta333]

Well yeah. But what if the one manipulating the concept changes how gravity works, can the law hax overturn that

Which type? Type 2 can be overturned but type 1 most likely can't be. The CM page makes it clear that a concept type 2 can be changed indirectly by affecting the object, force... that it embodies.

These concepts, however, exist simultaneously with and are bound by the object of the concept. In this way, an abstract dependent concept can be destroyed by destroying all objects of the concept, restored by re-making an object of a previously existent concept, or changed by changing all objects of the concept across reality.

So if the law of gravity changes how gravity works then the concept of gravity will be automatically renewed

 

[Thelastmlg]

Both deal with abstract stuff but from i understand, concept manip is the definition of things, while law manip are the purpose and job of things.

The concept of gravity would what gravity is, while the laws of gravity is what it does and doesn't

 

[Sniper670]

Y'all making a good point.

So if the concept guy erases the concept of gravity, I guess the law hax won't work