Last Defense Academy Discussion Thread

[Queen_Dasania]

Kazutaka Kodaka’s recent game, Hundred Line: Last Defense Academy has been out for a bit now. I’ve been playing it, and doing some power scaling as I have. And the characters in this game scale much higher than I expected them to. It’s a super long game to finish, and I want to finish it before starting to do the calcs officially and all


Some feats I’ve noticed so far;

Speed wise: Ima’s speed when saving kako. We see an invader attacking her in slow motion, yet he still moves at a high speed to save her

kyoshika moves so fast in her special move that it’s literally hard to keep up with

Kurara punches shouma ten times so fast that it looks like just one punch

power feats:

Shion is building up power to wipe out all life on the planet

Shion burns a hole through steel

V’ehxness (barely) survives a building explosion

Kurara punches at fast speeds

Takumu survives a high fall

Moko is stated to be able to stop a bullet train

 

[Queen_Dasania]

A few other noteworthy things are that those with hemoanima are said to be more powerful than conventional weapons. Human weapons were ineffective against those with hemoanima in their blood

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Characters can leap high into the air. Moko was stated to have flipped an invader the size of a train

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I remember a few other feats. Kyoshika, Takemaru, and Tsubasa are all fast enough to run alongside a missile

Takemaru is also fast enough with his bike to create fire in the ground

 

[Queen_Dasania]

V’ehxness is fast enough to speed over and kill commanders before the last defense unit has time to react

 

[Jinx666]

Still playing through it but would love to help this verse once ive got through a decent chunk of the endings

If we can calc

Spoiler: spoiler

2nd Academy exploding

then that should give us a decent gauge of the top tiers AP/Durability, given

Spoiler: spoiler

V'ehxness was durable enough to tank it, but still had to recover

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Still playing through it but would love to help this verse once ive got through a decent chunk of the endings

If we can calc

Spoiler: spoiler

2nd Academy exploding

then that should give us a decent gauge of the top tiers AP/Durability, given

Spoiler: spoiler

V'ehxness was durable enough to tank it, but still had to recover

Tbh, there are stronger feats. And it was confirmed that the explosion was boosted with hemoanima. But it definitely can give us some reference!

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Another feat. There’s already the commander who creates earthquakes. But while fighting, Darumi and Hiruko created what felt like an earthquake when battling invaders. I’m not sure it can be calculated, but it gives some reference at the very least

 

[Jinx666]

Idk if they'd be that strong depending on the route ig. We'd have to discuss how we perhaps treat alternate versions of characters, but overall the cast can pretty consistently 'die' to some mundane things like falling off a roof. Im still going through endings tho so its all good

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Idk if they'd be that strong depending on the route ig. We'd have to discuss how we perhaps treat alternate versions of characters, but overall the cast can pretty consistently 'die' to some mundane things like falling off a roof. Im still going through endings tho so its all good

I am too! I won’t officially start doing the scaling until I’m done with everything

They can die from more mundane things, but usually when their hemonanima isn’t activated

It’s fairly consistent that they can harm commanders, who can’t be harmed by conventional weapons. The strongest conventional weapon is city block level

That being said though, I’m not certain if that’s due to pure power, or more weaknesses, but some feats are making me think pure power. We’ll see though!

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Idk if they'd be that strong depending on the route ig. We'd have to discuss how we perhaps treat alternate versions of characters, but overall the cast can pretty consistently 'die' to some mundane things like falling off a roof. Im still going through endings tho so its all good

Also, I agree with the route thing, and those could make the scaling very complicated

 

[Jinx666]

We can definitely fit multiple timeline versions into one profile (since theres also overlap amongst the storylines too) and just make separate keys if need be.

Fire Emblem Three Houses profiles could possibly be used as a basis given the similar premise of the games? Idk how quality they are though.

Ive got to 30 endings so far, and im locked on a few routes but still playing

 

[Queen_Dasania]

We can definitely fit multiple timeline versions into one profile (since theres also overlap amongst the storylines too) and just make separate keys if need be.

Fire Emblem Three Houses profiles could possibly be used as a basis given the similar premise of the games? Idk how quality they are though.

Ive got to 30 endings so far, and im locked on a few routes but still playing

I’m locked on one role. Idk how many endings I have, but close to yours. This game will take a while to complete fully

What are you thinking for speed? I’ve done unofficial calculations just to give myself a baseline. From these, and what we see visually, the characters are, at the very least, supersonic (when using hemoanima). I’m seeing possibly up to sub relativistic with the high end of one calc I’m seeing, although that’s really pushing it

 

[Jinx666]

Yeah i doubt they're sub-rel, would need to see a bit more calcs that line up cause otherwise im only seeing examples of them blitzing perception with a lot of the Last Resort attacks. But then again its fiction and verses scale crazy anyway

The chase sequences in this game are so annoying lmao, and afetr playing more routes i can confidently say V'exhness aint all that, everyone can definitely somewhat downscale from her

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Yeah i doubt they're sub-rel, would need to see a bit more calcs that line up cause otherwise im only seeing examples of them blitzing perception with a lot of the Last Resort attacks. But then again its fiction and verses scale crazy anyway

The chase sequences in this game are so annoying lmao, and afetr playing more routes i can confidently say V'exhness aint all that, everyone can definitely somewhat downscale from her

Yeah, they definitely can. Kyoshika’s special attack where she says “let me show you my true power!” Is so fast that it’s hard to calculate. But it’s at least supersonic. The scene of Ima saving Kako should be at least supersonic+, but I’ll wait until I do an official calc. V’ehxness being fast enough to kill commanders before they react should be at least hypersonic. There’s one faster feat, although idk if you have seen it

 

[Jinx666]

Currently finishing up the comedy route but as long as theres no spoilers in the feat idm (you dont have to name the characters either)

Mind you, all of the characters are getting a degree of Fourth Wall Awareness lmao

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Currently finishing up the comedy route but as long as theres no spoilers in the feat idm (you dont have to name the characters either)

Mind you, all of the characters are getting a degree of Fourth Wall Awareness lmao

Well. There’s a part where a missile either stops midair, or the character is seeing it as frozen in the air. If it’s just them perceiving it that way, then its massively hypersonic at a low end, and sub relativistic at a high end

 

[Jinx666]

fairs, dont think i got to that point but i'll see, otherwise it deff sounds like it works (though doesnt scale to any character im seeing at their current power rn)

I feel like given the fact its canon that everyone gets empowered by Takumi's time travel, there can potentially be two separate keys but we'll have to see what calcs there are.

Im onto the 'keeping eito alive' set of routes now

 

[Queen_Dasania]

fairs, dont think i got to that point but i'll see, otherwise it deff sounds like it works (though doesnt scale to any character im seeing at their current power rn)

I feel like given the fact its canon that everyone gets empowered by Takumi's time travel, there can potentially be two separate keys but we'll have to see what calcs there are.

Im onto the 'keeping eito alive' set of routes now

Ohhh ok. Yeah, you should get to it soon then. And yeah, everyone is significantly stronger in the second timeline. And they all get significantly stronger throughout play throughs. That’s confirmed

 

[Jinx666]

Okay so im slowly advancing (had to take a break for a few days), but what im finding interesting is that 'The only thing that could ahrm cryptoglobin users was the power of cryptoglobin itself. There was nothing humanity could do..." on Day 58 of Chapter 00_1-057

Its a bit of a Homelander-argument but would that mean cryptoglobin users can no-sell standard nukes at a minimum? Humanity in this verse is far more advanced than irl humans too. Idk if this gets elaborated on (and it feels kinda contradicted at times with how easy people can die?), but its just a bit interesting i think, and reliable given the lengths humanity need to go to

EDIT: Nvm, the route went further and elaborated why they can still get hurt with cryptoglobin

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Okay so im slowly advancing (had to take a break for a few days), but what im finding interesting is that 'The only thing that could ahrm cryptoglobin users was the power of cryptoglobin itself. There was nothing humanity could do..." on Day 58 of Chapter 00_1-057

Its a bit of a Homelander-argument but would that mean cryptoglobin users can no-sell standard nukes at a minimum? Humanity in this verse is far more advanced than irl humans too. Idk if this gets elaborated on (and it feels kinda contradicted at times with how easy people can die?), but its just a bit interesting i think, and reliable given the lengths humanity need to go to

EDIT: Nvm, the route went further and elaborated why they can still get hurt with cryptoglobin

Yeah, I had been thinking that too. But it almost seems like it’s moreso that only cryptoglobin can hurt them. Not that only cryptoglobin is strong enough to hurt them

And yeah, I’m still advancing too. This game takes a lot of time lol, but I’ve made progress

 

[Jinx666]

Im still >60 endings

A few characters have been able to fight V'exhness one on one in some routes, theres a huge feat for the undying flames bomb (though we've got to properly differentiate the level of power that varies each route) and non-ingame speed feats are still scarce

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Im still >60 endings

A few characters have been able to fight V'exhness one on one in some routes, theres a huge feat for the undying flames bomb (though we've got to properly differentiate the level of power that varies each route) and non-ingame speed feats are still scarce

I’m also not very far. I just counted, and I’ve gotten 30 endings. So you’re probably ahead of me

And given all the timelines, and various levels of power, scaling may be difficult

I wonder. How do you think absorbing someone’s cryptoglobin affects your power? Do you get a power increase equal to their level of power? Or just a bit stronger? I see arguably evidence pointing to each

 

[Jinx666]

I wonder. How do you think absorbing someone’s cryptoglobin affects your power? Do you get a power increase equal to their level of power? Or just a bit stronger? I see arguably evidence pointing to each

Dont think its directly additional. They describe it as someones cryptoglobin eating another, making it stronger, but overall it doesnt seem to stack.

Theres a few storylines that directly pit characters who have absorbed cryptoglobin against eachother, with them being somewhat equal despite the inequal powers theyve absorbed. 'Multiple Eito' route (idk if you've done that one) also shows that absorbing someones cryptoglobin on its own doesnt give you equal power

Man this verse is gonna be haaaaaard.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Dont think its directly additional. They describe it as someones cryptoglobin eating another, making it stronger, but overall it doesnt seem to stack.

Theres a few storylines that directly pit characters who have absorbed cryptoglobin against eachother, with them being somewhat equal despite the inequal powers theyve absorbed. 'Multiple Eito' route (idk if you've done that one) also shows that absorbing someones cryptoglobin on its own doesnt give you equal power

Man this verse is gonna be haaaaaard.

Yeah, it really does, but I just suggest we do all the routes, gather as many calcs and feats as we can, and then go from there

 

[Jinx666]

I think we have a decent starting point tbh with Kyoshika speed feat, base V'exhness from 1st scenario being injured by a self destruction of 2nd to last defense academy and then Undying Flames feats for the high tiers

Soooo much info to gather and compile tho. Hemoanima/Cryptoglobin could have its own ability page

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I think we have a decent starting point tbh with Kyoshika speed feat, base V'exhness from 1st scenario being injured by a self destruction of 2nd to last defense academy and then Undying Flames feats for the high tiers

Soooo much info to gather and compile tho. Hemoanima/Cryptoglobin could have its own ability page

Yeah, that’s very true. We’ll just have to see. And tbh, I’m almost expecting a big power amp for the final ending too

 

[Jinx666]

Theres a feat of Shouma dodging arrows in the Box of Blessings route. Its all text though. That counts for something at least as a baseline

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Theres a feat of Shouma dodging arrows in the Box of Blessings route. Its all text though. That counts for something at least as a baseline

Tbh, I’m already thinking of placing all or at least some humans at subsonic for a baseline. That just solidifies that further then. In the mystery route btw, it’s shown that no one in the game, or at least none of the main cast, can lift over 1 ton

 

[Jinx666]

Yh, with the cages. In base they pretty much are just regular humans, with the exception of Moko. We see from a stillframe that Moko is literally able to crack walls by punching Takumi so hard (and its speculated he might have even died) without any use of Class Armor or hemoanima. dont remember which route but it was the one where they were misunderstanding Takumi doing smthn pervy (I think Comedy?)

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Yh, with the cages. In base they pretty much are just regular humans, with the exception of Moko. We see from a stillframe that Moko is literally able to crack walls by punching Takumi so hard (and its speculated he might have even died) without any use of Class Armor or hemoanima. dont remember which route but it was the one where they were misunderstanding Takumi doing smthn pervy (I think Comedy?)

Well, Takumi surviving falling down the manhole in the beginning of the game should be street to wall level. And Kurara could punch Shouma 10 times and have it look like a single punch. And her punches in general send people flying

 

[Jinx666]

Yh idm calling the more competent fighters even without hemoanima street/wall depending on calcs.

Someone like my poor boy Gaku just aint comparing tho (even tho he tanked a punch from a pissed Kurara)

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Yh idm calling the more competent fighters even without hemoanima street/wall depending on calcs.

Someone like my poor boy Gaku just aint comparing tho (even tho he tanked a punch from a pissed Kurara)

I’ll wait until I do some calcs and we have some discussion. And I do want to finish the game before I start so I don’t accidentally get spoilers. I’m at 40 endings currently! So almost halfway there

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Nozomi is able to match Kurara in power. So she should also scale to subsonic and wall level in their base forms

Also, several students, Gaku included, are able to run on water for a few strides. Also, it’s worth noting that all students run at a similar speed in the killing game timeline. So I think they’re all superhuman-subsonic with no cryptoglobin

And Takumi is able to match Takemaru in combat with no cryptoglobin. Takumi is supposed to be average, while Takemaru is supposed to be pretty strong. But maybe Takumi is just stronger in his base form too in the second timeline

But I think, in general, the students are relative to each other

 

[Jinx666]

Ive seen a few of these other than the water one (which will probs need non-gag context) but im on 82 endings now so nearly done. Idm calling them wall-subsonic tho, that seems fine.

 

[Jinx666]

Officially got all 100 endings!

What a game, cant wait for DLC

What have we got for stats overall then?

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Officially got all 100 endings!

What a game, cant wait for DLC

What have we got for stats overall then?

Hey! I’ve been super busy and haven’t gotten super far. That being said though, I can still do calculations for characters

I just need the clips for the official calcs on here, and don’t wanna search YouTube myself until I’m done to avoid spoilers. Are you ok with getting me clips of certain stuff if we want it calculated sooner?

 

[Jinx666]

Hey! I’ve been super busy and haven’t gotten super far. That being said though, I can still do calculations for characters

I just need the clips for the official calcs on here, and don’t wanna search YouTube myself until I’m done to avoid spoilers. Are you ok with getting me clips of certain stuff if we want it calculated sooner?

yeah i can send a few things, ill be sure to clip them asap. Ive gotta remember the feats myself tbf.

This verse is gonna be a challenge but i love it

 

[Queen_Dasania]

yeah i can send a few things, ill be sure to clip them asap. Ive gotta remember the feats myself tbf.

This verse is gonna be a challenge but i love it

It will be a challenge for sure. I know a lot of feats were listed at the start of the thread

 

[Queen_Dasania]

yeah i can send a few things, ill be sure to clip them asap. Ive gotta remember the feats myself tbf.

This verse is gonna be a challenge but i love it

I think some of the most important feats include:

Kyoshika’s power attack. Provides a good baseline for their speed

Same with Ima saving Kako in their first appearance

As you said, V’ehxness surviving the building exploding. It would also be helpful if I had the statement of the radius of the of the base being a mile long (I think I’m quoting it right)

The flames boy melting through the door in the initial play through provides solid basis for his power level

In one of the endings, it describes the flame boy’s final missile attack as only harming living beings, and reducing them all to ash. That could help me calculate how powerful that is, along with how much power he can generate per second to power that over the course of 100 days

If you get these for me, I can do all of these calculations. And I’m off Monday and Tuesday. I should be able to get through a good chunk of the game in that time period. I’ll stay grinding lol!