Last Defense Academy Discussion Thread

[Jinx666]

Yh i can try and find them at some point. i remember all of these

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Yh i can try and find them at some point. i remember all of these

Hey! Sorry I’ve been taking so long. Went through a move, and also, this game is so long! That being said, I’m at 73 endings now, and really grinding!

I’ve come to some realizations I’ll discuss when the time comes. I don’t think they scale nearly as high in speed as I said before, but they scale pretty damn high in power

 

[Jinx666]

Nice!

I'm ngl, its been daunting looking over it, so ive kinda just focused on developing MDA: Rain Code pages as a practise for how to structure Hundred Line profiles. Idk if you've played it but there are some decent feats to calc that look around the range of Tier 8-7 if you're up for it too

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Nice!

I'm ngl, its been daunting looking over it, so ive kinda just focused on developing MDA: Rain Code pages as a practise for how to structure Hundred Line profiles. Idk if you've played it but there are some decent feats to calc that look around the range of Tier 8-7 if you're up for it too

That’s fair. I do wanna play that. I could get it sometime to play, and do some calcs for it

 

[Jinx666]

Yeah, i deff recommend, its helped me in the Hundred Line drought! It's much shorter as well, and i think its currently on sale right now

Its only a Street-tier verse on its own, but the feats within the Mystery Labyrinth (and the mechanics of a Mystery Labyrinth itself as alternate universes) will deff get them higher. Its definitely based more on detectives and intelligence tho.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Yeah, i deff recommend, its helped me in the Hundred Line drought! It's much shorter as well, and i think its currently on sale right now

Its only a Street-tier verse on its own, but the feats within the Mystery Labyrinth (and the mechanics of a Mystery Labyrinth itself as alternate universes) will deff get them higher. Its definitely based more on detectives and intelligence tho.

Huh, I see. Well, I still think I will finish LDA. I am getting some ideas in my mind on how I can organize profiles. I was thinking listing a key for first play through, then all the other 100 endings. They can very strongly in power, but I think, even with that, we can still say “ranges from” and include the levels they fall under. Obviously they’d have a key for when they aren’t using cryptoglobin, and any versions of them that are significantly stronger. It will just really depend

Also, things like Kako-G will be a bit of a conversation. We’ll have to decide if that counts for another key of her character, or if we should make profiles for Gie. We’ll figure it out. I imagine the calculations might take a bit to get approved anyway, so maybe I’ll have time to get into raincode when I’m done with this

 

[Jinx666]

Yeah, General keys i reckon are
A) Route 0
B) Post Route 0 (Average)
C) Coming of Age (To all those that are relevant)

And we using terms like Varies and ranging i suppose. Then if any other characters standout in certain routes, they get an extra key. There will be a lot of keys, so tabbers for stats will be useful

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Yeah, General keys i reckon are
A) Route 0
B) Post Route 0 (Average)
C) Coming of Age (To all those that are relevant)

And we using terms like Varies and ranging i suppose. Then if any other characters standout in certain routes, they get an extra key. There will be a lot of keys, so tabbers for stats will be useful

Absolutely! Also, I wonder how we’ll treat the Darumi Retsnom combo. She didn’t seem to be herself after fully merging. That being said though, it’s something we’ll discuss when it’s time!

 

[Queen_Dasania]

@Jinx666 as I get close to my final calculations for this series, do you remember any number being stated for the amount of people/life on futurum?

That will really matter for the final calculation. I figure I’ll use whatever number I can find as the lowball for the calc on how powerful Shion’s final attack is. And then I’ll use a blast powerful enough to to cover earth’s surface for the high ball

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I’ve completed all main routes. I miscounted before, as I have 72 endings done. So I’m just finishing with the remaining 28 endings. I may just watch a play through of all character’s events to see those, as they’re a pain to get to in the game itself. They’re also not too too important. Although, Moko’s gave me some reference for her lifting strength, with how many books she can lift

I got the ultimate edition, so I’m also going to read the light novel that came with the game. See if that fixes anything. And then yeah, I’ll be done!

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Phew, I’m so close. I have a few more endings to get. I think 10-12?

Still haven’t seen the multiple Eitos. goodbye Eito, Serial battles, or casual routes. Seen everything else though. Read the short story

The minions really aren’t that powerful individually. Normal humans, given decent training, can beat them. I think they are mostly a threat to the special defense unit because of their sheer numbers. Makes sense, as they’re often referred to as canon fodder

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I DID EVERY ENDING! IM GONNA START SOME CALCS NOW SOON!

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Kurara Oosuzuki Ten Strike Combo

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We have a wall level, and supersonic combat speed feat for base Kurara. Tbh, I think everyone scales to this

Gaku and Shouma Survive her punch. Takumi falls down a manhole cover. Takumi survives an explosion. Gaku is fast enough to take her mask. Ima can stab Takemaru before he can respond. Takumi can fight on par with Takemaru with no Hemoanima. Takumi can take a knife from Moko. They all have several feats showing they’re on par with each other

Now I’ll do running speed. They can all run on water. But I’m gonna attempt to calculate when they ran to the ship from the school in 30 seconds. I think this all suggests superhuman running speed

Edit: we do need to get this calc approved, ofc

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I looked for a video of Moko saying how many books she read, but can’t find it on YouTube. Regardless though, that calc puts her at athletic human lifting in her base form. And honestly, I think that fits anyway, so I’m not too worried about the calc. I think that only the more athletic members should scale to athletic human lifting. I did another calc that will have their running speed at superhuman

So anyway, assuming these pass, then in base form, the SDU members will be will level, superhuman running speed with supersonic combat speed and reactions, and lifting strength ranging from average human to athletic human.

These may be all the calls I do today. So just helping us determine their baseline power levels. I’ll attempt some calcs on their powered up forms next

 

[Queen_Dasania]

@Jinx666 I have a calc for Shion’s undying flame attack at Small City level! The ap per second is building level. And these have both been approved. As well as a superhuman speed feat

The last couple things I have to calculate is V’ehxness surviving the explosion, V’ehxness destroying the artificial satellite, Kyoshika’s final attack, and various jumping feats

Keep in mind that their speed when using hemoanima will be subsonic+ at the very least since they can run alongside a missile

 

[Queen_Dasania]

@Jinx666 ok! All calcs are done! We can get to scaling now!

I’ll show you what I think for each category

AP/Durability:
Even humans should scale to street/wall level.
I have no calcs necessarily, but I think it’s fairly obvious. Nozomi can kick down a door, which she said was weaker than she thought, but still. Takumi survived a fall, and an explosion that sent him into the air. Kurara can punch people into the air, and even Gaku can survive it. Also, even a kid can kill Nozomi, and even Ima can hurt Takemaru

We have a building level calc for Shion from the first timeline, as well as a building level+ calc from the first as well. I think him, V’ehxness, and Dahl’xia if we’d seen him in the first play through should scale, as they’re all shown as being on similar levels. All the other students and commands should downscale to building level, as they’re can be one shot by V’ehxness at once, but still survive, and somewhat fight her. At the end of the first play through, after Takumi absorbs Eito, I think he should scale to Building level+ as well, as he’s able to understand Futuran language, time travel, and Shion considers him an equal/the most powerful current person.
After Takumi time travels, everyone scales up. Those who were building level should now be building level+ for being comparable to him, and Shion, V’ehxness, and Dahl’xia should upscale to large building level.
Vhexness making her missile that destroys the satellite takes Large Town level power. I think that only she scales to this. She only achieves this level after aborsing nearly all the commanders and Dahl’xia. We see this in the SF route where she’s unable to make it since she started absorbing commanders too late.
I think the only ones who scale are those who can defeat her and draw with her when she’s at full strength. In most timelines, the students shouldn’t scale as they have to poison and weaken her to beat her

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I think, for speed, Norma humans should all be superhuman. We see this as they can all run across the ocean, they can all reach the escape pod in 30 seconds when it’s described as being the size of a grain of die due to distance. And Kurara has a superhuman calc where she punches Shouma 10 times and it looks like once. Gaku is fast enough to take her mask before she reacts. Kurara can fight on par with her. Ima can stab Takemaru before he can react, and I believe Takemaru should be comparable to Kurara

And I only have one speed calc where they’re powered up. Kyoshika’s special attack was called at Subsonic+. And everyone should scale to this. And she even makes a sonic boom during this attack, so it should really be Supersonic. This likes up with then nearly matching a missile in speed

There aren’t really any faster speed feats, so supersonic+ is just the max of the verse

 

[Queen_Dasania]

For lifting strength, the students at their base should range from average human to athletic human. It should be generally obvious who is who

When powered up, they should be class 1. Are stated to be superhuman in physical stats, and can jump really high. But none can lift a metric ton

And again, no higher feats I noticed, so this should be the peak of the verse as well

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Shion’s final attack was calced at Small City level. V’ehxness’s missile was calced at Large Island level. And her missile moves at Massively Hypersonic speeds

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Also. By the end of the second playthrough, I believe the students, when V’ehxness doesn’t step in and kill commanders, should scale to large building level. Hiruko states that V’ehxness isn’t a serious problem when she doesn’t absorb commander cryptoglobin

As for who scales to Large Town level. It’s just anyone who’s can genuinely damage V’ehxness when she’s been absorbing commander cryptoglobin. I forget how each timeline goes, so I’d have to look through each one to remember, unless you have a pretty good idea

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I think the only ones who scale to Large Town level are V’hexness after absorbing most commanders, the students in Coming of Age, and Eva in the Eva route

 

[Queen_Dasania]

For intelligence, I think most commanders are above average, they can fight well, and follow through with plans. Dahl’xia and V’hexness are gifted. They can lead entire armies, especially through winning a centuries old war

I think Kam’Yuhn is Genius. Wisdom is literally her power. She can identify weaknesses in anything

Kyoshika is blow average. Can’t do basic math, doesn’t understand cards. Gifted in combat though, as she was trained from a young age, and has good understanding of battle strategy

Shion is average

Darumi and Gaku are average, above average in combat

Moko is average, Gifted in combat

Takemaru is average, Gifted in combat and biking

Shouma is above average. Can learn to use his robot quickly

Ima and Kako are above average. Both show alright intelligence, but nothing too crazy

Takumi is gifted. Said to be average, and struggled in math class. But I think he just didn’t try. He can solve mysteries like crazy in the mystery timeline (although go he does guess wrong in some timelines), he learns combat quickly, and he can build an alarm clock despite having no experience (albeit with help)

All other students fall under genius. They show legitimate mastery in various areas

Sirei is Genius. Nigou is gifted

Retsnom is Animalistic, genius after absorbing everyone

The gie are animalistic, gifted when they bond with a host (either Takumi or Kako)

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Also, nvm. Coming of age route characters don’t scale to large town level. Eito steals V’hexness’ power, so they fight him instead. And I don’t believe he’s nearly as powerful as she was with the power. So only V’hexness and Eva route Eva should scale, I believe

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Actually, we could scale V’ehxness and Eva route Eva to Small City level, given that she can survive when Sirei had Shion send out his final attack

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Also. For stamina, I’d say superhuman across the board. Even at a baseline without cryptoglobin, we see them running for hours straight, then fighting, then running back. This especially goes for Takumi, who literally fought with his legs ripped off, and Yugamu, who literally cut open his own chest and did surgery

For powers, we see superhuman physical characteristics, genius intelligence, martial arts, weapon mastery, vehicular mastery, acrobatics, poison manipulation, prep time, energy projection with some powers, power absorption, invincibility, acausality type 3 with the machine (other universe version can time travel), and type 5 (commanders are immune to non cryptoglobin attacks, as cryptoglobin can affect cause and effect), attack reflection for shouma, we see forms of astral projection with hemoanima, low level blood manipulation maybe, forth wall breaking for their comedy route selves, I think we see Aura in V’hexness, Dhal’xia, and Shion, we see star enhancement through the power of friendship in the coming of age route, we see clairvoyance in Kako, we see Danmaku, dimensional travel with the machine, explosion manipulation in some characters like Tsubasa, flight an bodily weaponry in Ima and some commanders, force field creation in Dahl’xia and Shouma, hacking, healing, hive mind in Gie, invulnerability, information analysis, large size, life manipulation for retsnom, mind manipulation with both Takumi in cot route and Sirei, memory manipulation for Sirei, paralysis incitement with some of Yugamu’s poison, possession (multiple eitos route), power nullification (cryptoglobin can be nullified with certain materials), technology manipulation, pyrokinesis Shion, and V’hexness when she gets powerful enough), inorganic physiology for Sirei and Nigou

Geez, way more powers than I initially thought

For weaknesses, maybe being killed in one blow for Sirei, and for crytoglobin users, they need to be on Futuran to use it. They can also generally only be revived if there is enough there, or they have enough blood (although this is highly inconsistent)

 

[Queen_Dasania]

oh! Moko falls with enough speed to light on fire. So actually, that looks like hypersonic speed