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Large Size Calculations Change

Flashlight237

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So this got approved and Antvasima told me to post this here. So, here's the deal. Large Size had been reduced from 5 meters to 2.72 meters and I calculated the Large Size values for GPE and KE for Wall Level: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._Large_Size_Calculations_Edit:_9-B_Large_Size

Yeah, this doesn't exactly need an essay, I just calculated this based on our minimum energy value of 15000 joules for Wall Level. Unless something really shakes up our understanding of what Wall Level is, this would also come with the removal of the sex-based split of our Large Size GPE and KE tables. I'm saying this because if one were to use the speed via large size formula I devised for the sake of figuring out the correct speed point for both men and women, one could draw the conclusion that the speed ratings for both men and women are identical.

This should be a simple implementation unless someone puts up a stink over our chosen size and speed baselines used in the Large Size Calculations page (and given the size difference between 1.7526 meters and 1.71 meters would necessitate a mass difference of almost the 8% statistical minimum for something to become noticeable, I wouldn't be surprised if a stink does happen). By the way, the 9-A baseline speed for men isn't 48.9 m/s, it's 40.9 m/s, how long are you guys going to leave that typo there?

So yeah, there you have it. I'm sure Uranus will come knocking on our doors again telling us that we forgot something about the Large Size Calculations page, but that's a discussion for another time.
 
IIRC, wasn't originally suggested that we should typically avoid assuming speed via sheer size unless we have onscreen depictions and/or statements about moving swiftly? The GPE calculations looks good though; and the typo I agree should be fixed yes. What page needs to be edited?
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
IIRC, wasn't originally suggested that we should typically avoid assuming speed via sheer size unless we have onscreen depictions and/or statements about moving swiftly? The GPE calculations looks good though; and the typo I agree should be fixed yes. What page needs to be edited?
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1. That didn't stop the Large Size Calculations page from making that assumption itself.
2. Large Size Calculations. That's been mentioned several times.
 
Thank you for helping out. 🙏
 
I will ask DontTalk again. 🙏
 
Flashlight237 said:
1. That didn't stop the Large Size Calculations page from making that assumption itself.
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To be clear, it's not encouraged. The page does make it clear that it should only be used under specific circumstances. Just that that doesn't mean we can't provide a table anyway.
Flashlight237 said:
So this got approved and Antvasima told me to post this here. So, here's the deal. Large Size had been reduced from 5 meters to 2.72 meters and I calculated the Large Size values for GPE and KE for Wall Level: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._Large_Size_Calculations_Edit:_9-B_Large_Size
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Looks ok.
Flashlight237 said:
Unless something really shakes up our understanding of what Wall Level is, this would also come with the removal of the sex-based split of our Large Size GPE and KE tables. I'm saying this because if one were to use the speed via large size formula I devised for the sake of figuring out the correct speed point for both men and women, one could draw the conclusion that the speed ratings for both men and women are identical.
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You mean of just the speed ratings, not of the energy results, right? One can do that.
Flashlight237 said:
By the way, the 9-A baseline speed for men isn't 48.9 m/s, it's 40.9 m/s, how long are you guys going to leave that typo there?
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Seems ok to fix.
 
Yeah, I agree with DontTalkDT. Our summary outright discourages the speed assumption, but having tables for verses that do follow some general logic and/or have on screen demonstrations of the aforementioned things aren't really harmful to have.

But merging speed tables as opposed to energy results is fine, and fixing the typo of course can be done.
 
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
Yeah, I agree with DontTalkDT. Out summary outright discourages the speed assumption, but having tables for verses that do follow some general logic and/or have on screen demonstrations of the aforementioned things aren't really harmful to have.

But merging speed tables as opposed to energy results is fine, and fixing the typo of course can be done.
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Are any of you willing to help out here please? 🙏
 
Well, I may or may not have made a mistake by sending a notification here. I likely just forgot about the context for this thread and wondered if any of you are willing to apply any accepted changes to our instruction pages. My apologies for the inconvenience. 🙏
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Yeah, I agree with DontTalkDT. Our summary outright discourages the speed assumption, but having tables for verses that do follow some general logic and/or have on screen demonstrations of the aforementioned things aren't really harmful to have.

But merging speed tables as opposed to energy results is fine, and fixing the typo of course can be done.
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Think I already said what is needed. just merging the tables for the speeds (Not energy values) for male and female examples. And fixing the typos mentioned in the OP.
 
Okay. That is probably fine to apply then, but I would prefer further confirmations from other staff members as well. 🙏
 
Flashlight237 said:
So this got approved and Antvasima told me to post this here. So, here's the deal. Large Size had been reduced from 5 meters to 2.72 meters and I calculated the Large Size values for GPE and KE for Wall Level: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._Large_Size_Calculations_Edit:_9-B_Large_Size

Yeah, this doesn't exactly need an essay, I just calculated this based on our minimum energy value of 15000 joules for Wall Level. Unless something really shakes up our understanding of what Wall Level is, this would also come with the removal of the sex-based split of our Large Size GPE and KE tables. I'm saying this because if one were to use the speed via large size formula I devised for the sake of figuring out the correct speed point for both men and women, one could draw the conclusion that the speed ratings for both men and women are identical.

This should be a simple implementation unless someone puts up a stink over our chosen size and speed baselines used in the Large Size Calculations page (and given the size difference between 1.7526 meters and 1.71 meters would necessitate a mass difference of almost the 8% statistical minimum for something to become noticeable, I wouldn't be surprised if a stink does happen). By the way, the 9-A baseline speed for men isn't 48.9 m/s, it's 40.9 m/s, how long are you guys going to leave that typo there?

So yeah, there you have it. I'm sure Uranus will come knocking on our doors again telling us that we forgot something about the Large Size Calculations page, but that's a discussion for another time.
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I'm in agreement here. I was actually planning on doing this, but either I felt like it wouldn't get much approval or I did it and it was just met with scrutiny.

Also, if we're gonna do this when it comes to males, I recommend we make the same formula for females based upon the world's tallest woman Zeng Jinlian, who was 8 ft 2 in (2.48 m) before she died.
 
Flashlight237 said:
That would only complicate things. We're pretty fine with just keeping the minimum of 2.72 meters as is.
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Why's that? There's already a bit of a height difference for women in the current charts for our Large Size Calculations. Are we assuming women are also the same size as the tallest man in this case?
 
Omnificence said:
Why's that? There's already a bit of a height difference for women in the current charts for our Large Size Calculations. Are we assuming women are also the same size as the tallest man in this case?
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We literally give the same 62-kilogram weight figure to both men and women, so yes, by weight multipliers based on size increase, we essentially are.
 
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What has been accepted by DontTalk and Medeus here can probably be applied. 🙏
 
I'm a bit confused about which changes are accepted, so I don't feel comfortable applying it yet.
 
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