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Kratos (2018)

>On screen

99% sure these feats come from lore, not on-screen. But that's nitpicking on my part.

And I'm still saying "no" to Helios' feat, because infinite range doesn't warrant infinite speed. The only one that has backing are the Primordials.
 
Yes, they are on-screen feats that are boosted by the lore descriptions of them. Much like many, many, many other verses that are only tier 7 or so on screen but we use the Lore, which is more reliable than any ridiculous gameplay mechanic or Cinematic Time-bias from the Animators, to boost to their ratings to Stellar levels.

Helios' feat is explicitly Infinite. Saying otherwise is pretty much self-contradictory. Helios' light can illuminate an infinite plane, and Hermes could dodge that same light when Kratos wielded it against him. The "Kamehameha" and DB is a false equivalence and it was debunked and it isn't the same thing.
 
So Helios's light move instantly?.

Just because it can expand Infinitly doesn't mean it's Infinite in speed. Just means it expands forever.
 
...No. Helios' light was explicitly stated by Gaia to have covered the entirety of the span of a plane that was described as infinite.
 
Just you saying it was debunked doesn't make it debunked. Given more people are agreeing with me on that and again, not every tier 2 is infinite speed or has an infinite speed attack, you see where I'm going with this.
 
So.

Helios's light can cover a infinite plane.

Someone can dodge Helios light

Yet it isn't infinite speed.

What
 
If Helios gets infinite speed then every tier 2, and especially 2-A, gets infinite as well. Helios has done nothing that a High 3-A and up hasn't done as well.
 
The arguments against it are, no offense, nonsensical. Let's just think for a second. A light can engulf an infinite plane, yet that same light somehow isn't Infinite in speed.

Logic.

Helios' light illuminated an infinite plane as the mere after-effect of Atlas forcing Helios to activate it. Using the Kamehameha as an analogy is completely flawed. The explosio created by the Kamehameha is Infinite in speed. Not the Kamehameha itself. Meanwhile Helios generates a bright light that can engulf the Underworld, and Hermes can dodge that light.
 
If anything, the kamehameha itself moves faster than the explosion, so that was a flawed argument. Again, I have yet to see someone with infinite speed gain that from infinite or universal+ range other than this.

I get the argument in favor of this, don't get me wrong. But GoW shouldn't show favoritism there and ignore the precedent.
 
Also, imagine this.

A character punches and creates a Shockwave. Said shockwave travels outwards towards a Character B. Character B dodges that shockwave, which the narrator then tells us has managed to cross the entire Infinite Universe.

Is Character B infinite in speed? By basic logic, feats, and common sense, absolutely yes.

What is the counter-argument.

"2-As in this wiki aren't automatically Infinite!"

Literally worthless because it doesn't address the logic behind the argument and just cite names which could very well be false equivalences.
 
Someone destroying an infinite plane, does not = travelling said infinite plane. Helios' light is able to fill up an infinite realm, and both Kratos and Hermes are able to react to said infinite light. And as Kep said, it's the explosion that reaches infinite speeds for attacks like that, not the attack itself, but rather the after effect. But with Helios there is no explosion, it's just light, which characters have reacted to within the series.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
So Helios's light move instantly?.

Just because it can expand Infinitly doesn't mean it's Infinite in speed. Just means it expands forever.
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And this is a false argument. Something that can expand infinitely would never manage to engulf something infinite. It'd just keep expanding forever without ever managing to actually engulf the entirety of the Infinite thing.

Meanwhile, we are told by Gaia that Helios' bright light has managed to illuminate the entirety of the Underworld. Not that it is expanding forever.
 
I get the argument in favor of this, don't get me wrong. But GoW shouldn't show favoritism there and ignore the precedent.
 
The argument about the light not being "Instant" but "Infinitely Expanding" again makes no sense. The light FILLED the infinite realm. It's not expanding overtime, it said it FILLED.
 
What favoritism? You have provided no examples.

Jiren and Goku haven't reacted or shown comparable speeds to their shockwaves. So that comparison is false. If they had reacted to the shockwaves, then by absolutely all means they'd have a feat on that level.
 
Also they never made any attacks that expanded and filled the world of void. Their power may have shook it, but that's just an after effect of them gaining power. They didn't react to the shaking.
 
And this is a false argument. Something that can expand infinitely would never manage to engulf something infinite. It'd just keep expanding forever without ever managing to actually engulf the entirety of the Infinite thing.

Meanwhile, we are told by Gaia that Helios' bright light has managed to illuminate the entirety of the Underworld. Not that it is expanding forever.

I actually wasn't really putting up an argument. I was asking a question if you read the top part of my comment.

I was just stating how I thought the light's speed was.
 
Think of it like this.

The concept of Kinetic Energy is inapplicable once you get to High 3-A since the very idea of infinite energy destroys relativity, since the only reason light travels that fast is because it's massless, so although technically you'd need to move your arms at infinite speeds in order to destroy an infinite realm, physics are inapplicable at that point so we don't assume that.

If you throw a punch and said punch destroys an infinite universe - High 3-A AP, no speed.

If throw a punc which creates a shockwave that proceeds to rip an infinite realm apart, and a character who is fighting you manages to dodge said shockwave before it reaches them - High 3-A AP with Infinite Speed.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
If Kratos had Infinite Speed, why would he even bother taking Hermes Boots to speed himself up... He has Infinite Speed!
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Anyone going to answer this one?.
 
Rosalina uses her power to instantly reset a universe. Her other attacks should be comparable. Therefore infinite speed for that logic.

Dimentio could move faster than his Void that was consuming the multiverse.
 
WindGodAcheron said:
@Cal You have provided no scans of that so that's also a non-argument.
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Yes. I'm totally going to act like no one has seen a scene of a Kamehameha. Come on. Be real.
 
The real cal howard said:
Rosalina uses her power to instantly reset a universe. Her other attacks should be comparable. Therefore infinite speed for that logic.

Dimentio could move faster than his Void that was consuming the multiverse.
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First one is a reset, nothing says her other attacks are comparable, plus no one dodged it.

Also, i still think Dimentio should be infinite speed but eeeeeeehhhh
 
The real cal howard said:
Time Eater could move faster than his Void that was consuming the multiverse.
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In my opinion, i think the Infinite speed concept should be removed since the staff can't handle its terms/specifics and always leads to controversial threads where is said that every tier 2 char. should scale to it and etc.
 
CrimsonStarFallen said:
Also, i still think Dimentio should be infinite speed but eeeeeeehhhh
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Same for Time Eater and the other King of Fighters, Soul Calibur and Sonic char. since they stayed in a timeless void.
 
Whoa, I've been off this site for 9 months and come back here to see Kratos is 2-C? When did this happen? I don't remember the latter being this powerful.
 
anyways if we're done de-realing, so why is Old Kratos' speed rating, still Hpersonic+, and not Massively FTL+ possibly Infinite?
 
Spawn888 said:
Whoa, I've been off this site for 9 months and come back here to see Kratos is 2-C? When did this happen? I don't remember the latter being this powerful.
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Also Pre-Norse Kratos is also 2-C
 
Spawn888 said:
Whoa, I've been off this site for 9 months and come back here to see Kratos is 2-C? When did this happen? I don't remember the latter being this powerful.
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Greek Kratos has been this powerful since yesterday.

Norse Kratos, I think two weeks ago.
 
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