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Kratos (2018)

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So just a little while ago, Greek Kratos got a massive upgrade, having been upgraded to At least 3-A, likely Low 2-C to 2-C. His speed as been upgraded as well to Massively FTL+, likely Infinite. However I noticed these upgrades haven't been applied to Kratos' 2018 profile. He has the possibly 2-C rating, by shouldn't 4-A be changed to atleast 3-A as well? Same with his speed, as it's sill just Hypersonic+. Since this is an Older Kratos, shouldn't he have the same speed and Ap rating?
 
Again:

1. Helios' light was able to illuminate the entirety of an infinite plane, and Hermes can dodge said light

2. The Primordials fought on a void that preceded time itself, and the survivors of that war are consistently floored by Olympians/Titans.

3. The Valkyries from the new game can travel between the Nine Realms (which are different dimensions) to collect dead souls through their sheer movement alone.
 
1. Unless Goku's energy is infinite speed for shaking the World of Void, no. We don't give people sped for High 3-A range.

2. I doubt that, given time is a primordial in itself.

3. What does that have to do with anything? It's mftl+, sure, but infinite is a total stretch.
 
1. Helios' light attacks aren't just energy. They're actively traveling that distance. And yes, we do.

2. Cronos, who created time, came after the Primordial War. This has all been accepted. I have thoroughly explained all of this in my blog.

3. Except the Nine Realms are alternate timespaces.
 
1. In that case, literally every tier 2 should have infinite speed or higher. I've yet to see someone gain infinite speed for that until now.

2. There's a difference in the myths between Cronos and Chronos. Cronos is the Titan, Chronos is the Primordial. If this is different in GoW, I'm sorry.

3. Dimensional travel, unless Whis or Seiya have infinite speed.
 
1. I don't think it's just because the light can span a infinite realm but rather people like Hermes can react to and dodge said light.

2. Yeah it's different in GoW, Cronos the Titan created time when he was born.
 
1. Doding an explosion = \ = dodging the attack that made such an explosion, which is why most Tier 2s aren't Infinite. If you attack an infinite universe and it explodes, your attack isn't Infinite in speed, but the explosion itself would need to be Infinite in speed to encompass an infinite universe. However, no tier 2s would scale since they don't dodge the explosion wave (and if they do, then they should absolutely be Infinite in speed).

In God of War's case Helios' light is literally fast enough to encompass an infinite plane, thus it is Infinite in speed.

2. God of War isn't the myths. People need to stop bringing up the myths and trying to apply them to God of War. The lore clearly tells us another story than the myths. There are only seven Primordials in the God of War world, and they were spawned by a void. Cronos came after the Primordial War, and his birth made time start moving much like Dialga, so the Primordials were fighting on the timeless void.

3. Whis isn't sheer speed though.
 
1. People can react to Goku's Kamehamehas. The same energy can shake an infinite plane in a finite period of time. That doesn't make Jiren infinite speed.

2. Understandable.
 
I can see a case for the Valkyries' feat only being MFTL but it'd still leave us with Two feats on the Infinite range.

If you take verses like Pokémon where Dialga and Palkia only have one Infinite Speed feat, with the next best thing being stuff like Arceus' feat of creating a galaxy-sized shockwave, two feats on that scale are clearly not outliers.
 
Really? List those three infinite speed feats, unless it's going to be the same feat dissected multiple times (which can be repeated in this case)
 
Infinite Speed (Able to move indefinitely while time literally stands still, or to travel anywhere instantly. Teleportation does not count. For further information, see note 4 below.)

I don't think Kratos has done neither of these things.
 
1) Being time itself. Not just creating it, but being the abstract embodiment of time.

2) Fighting Palkia in lack of space-time, which I did give you is an actual feat (hence the "understandable").

3) Interrupting time travel after it's already been activated.
 
Being the abstract embodiment of time is never treated as a speed feat in this wiki, only if you explicitly move in a void without time (which is the second feat).

That third feat isn't infinite, for the same reason Bellatrix from Harry Potter managing to stab Dobby while he was in the process of teleporting isn't an infinite feat. There is a wind-up time before the ability kicks in and it is instantaneous.
 
If you're scaling Kratos to it that means you think he can physically move his body to any location instantly...Which he has never done. Everything he does goes against infinite speed.
 
It has always been. Every abstract embodiment of time on this wiki is infinite speed, if not higher. Bar none.

False analogy. Bellatrix's knife managed to make contact with Dobby's teleportation before they were fully gone. The spatial distortion was still there.
 
> It has always been. Every abstract embodiment of time on this wiki is infinite speed, if not higher. Bar none.

Because of their own feats. List one who is that high without feats.

> False analogy. Bellatrix managed to make contact with Dobby's teleportation before they were fully gone.

Please provide scans of the feat then.
 
Both Helios and the Primordials have explicit Infinite Speed feats, thus the possibly is warranted. If we want to downgrade half of the verses in the wiki we can go ahead, in which case yeah we can also downgrade GoW to MFTL alongside them.
 
Pretty sure the burden of proof falls on you to prove me wrong there, bro. Because I'm saying that it is a feat. You're arguing that it's not.

Just look up "Dobby dies" on YouTube and you'll see.
 
...? No. What you're doing is a CTRL C + CTRL V of a "prove the negative" fallacy. The burden of proof is on you to prove that we do treat abstract embodiments of time who are featless as Infinite by default. I am the one who needs to request for proof not the contrary.

And I'm asking for the Pokémon scans. I know Harry Potter very well.
 
The entirety of GOW4 goes against infinite speed Kratos, he physically travels to all of his destinations, gets consistently tagged unless you think the whole verse has infinite speed including the trolls. This means Atreus has infinite speed as well for tagging both Kratos and Baldur. Magni and Modi have infinite speed lightning too.
 
Chronos is explicitly stated to encompass the entire multiverse's space-time while Dialga's Physical Form doesn't have that property. Only Dialga's incorporeal, time-embodiment form encompasses the multiverse's time. The profile itself says as much.

And Eternity is explicitly described as Omnipresent and all-encompassing.

Both are false equivalencies. I asked for featless time embodiments being considered Omnipresent or Infinite by default without feats or statements, not for those with feats and statements.
 
@Sigurd

Neither has anyone who is a Pokémon God-Tier, with the exceptions of...Dialga, Palkia and Arceus. Everyone else scales from being able to perceive and fight them.

Helios and the Primordials are fodder to Kratos thus he scales to their feats. Stop with this gish galloping.
 
WindGodAcheron said:
@Sigurd

Neither has anyone who is a Pokémon God-Tier, with the exceptions of...Dialga, Palkia and Arceus. Everyone else scales from being able to perceive and fight them.

Helios and the Primordials are fodder to Kratos thus he scales to their feats. Stop with this gish galloping.
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More like just Cresselia and Darkrai (and the PMD people). Everyone else, which is just Giratina and the Lake Trio, have their own feats. Giratina is the Distortion World, a realm devoid of time. The Lake Trio have the same feats as Palkia.
 
If Kratos had Infinite Speed, why would he even bother taking Hermes Boots to speed himself up... He has Infinite Speed!
 
WindGodAcheron said:
@Sigurd
Neither has anyone who is a Pokémon God-Tier, with the exceptions of...Dialga, Palkia and Arceus. Everyone else scales from being able to perceive and fight them.

Helios and the Primordials are fodder to Kratos thus he scales to their feats. Stop with this gish galloping.
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I don't really care about Pokemon much.

You keep going back to Helios and the Primordials but can't show me Kratos performing a single infinite speed feat. It's just scaling literally everything to him because he's the strongest.
 
Type 1 is the one where it's explicitly rejected. Type 2 means "almost good enough, but needs more evidence." Which the Distortion World qualifies for. Because it's not the Dark Area (f you again, Digimon), which poops out timelessness, it's not type 3, which is the undeniable kind.
 
Type 2 is "slightly better but still rejected" voids - the description explicitly states those voids are rejected. Or else DBH and DBX God-Tiers would be scaled to the Demon Realm.

And, again, Helios and the Primordials, both of whom scale to the God-Tiers, have Infinite Speed feats. There is absolutely no reason to try and nitpick the screen movement here, unless you want to downgrade every single verse which isn't literally littered with those feats (if you make a thread for that and it gets accepted I will agree with it). At this point we're just in-denial of the feats shown on screen.
 
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