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Koenji AP upgrade

Passersby said:
seeing the boar there is no sign no blunt force trauma visible anywhere on it's body, no injuries and no blood, he may as well have used a Neurotoxin to hunt it, there is no sign of damage to be observed on the boar's body at all so any assumtption that he physically fought it is out of the window
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Erm, well this thread made sense to me when i was making it but it doesn't appear to make sense now...
 
XxZetsuxX said:
He has no equipment to fight the boar, Meaning he had to use his bare hands
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Eyup.
XxZetsuxX said:
Ayanokoji can open steel elevators, Break bones, Shiba can punch fast enough to make dry sounds on the ear and other superhuman feats
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What does this change. Also, none of these are wall level.
XxZetsuxX said:
Do you think Koenji needs that?
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Provide evidence he punched it or kicked it to death.... You cant.
XxZetsuxX said:
Why would you assume he did that? He legit said he did sports with it, The LN also mentions there was some kind of fight with it which ended with Koenji no diffing it
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A fight includes grappling you know...
XxZetsuxX said:
You just over complicate simple things
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No, you assume highballs.
 
XxZetsuxX said:
Boar durability is 9-C+
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Eyup.
XxZetsuxX said:
Ayanokoji can break bones which is 9-C to 9-C+ casually as a 9 old
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The CRT is focused on giving Koeunji wall level ap, but, a boars ap is higher then the ap of breaking bones. Also, when he was 9 how did he break these bones ? And saying "as a 9 year old" like that version wasn't superior to his current version is weird (I think right ?)
XxZetsuxX said:
Nor can you prove he choked it '-'
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Eyup. So the feat is unquantifiable.
 
Vzearr said:
Okay, I see. But exactly one frame later the clock hits 0:04. So, no way was it less then half a second.
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Don't take my screenshots very accurately, it also depends on my efficiency of pausing at the right time (human error is a thing).

The entire scene is literally only 14 frames (including the boar landing on his shoulders) and takes place in 3 seconds. You see, many calcs assuming that anime renders at constantly 24 FPS are trash (because they don't). Using watchframebyframe is the best thing, as it can pretty much arrange any number of frames in 60 FPS and give a very accurate time. And no, 0.4 seconds is still actually a great ton of time, that's like 2 times faster than what a normal punch can land. It's very believable seeing how fast he did it and how the boar pretty much disappeared like a flash from the screen.

With that, I think this timeframe debate should be over.
 
RoggerReggor said:
Don't take my screenshots very accurately, it also depends on my efficiency of pausing at the right time (human error is a thing).

The entire scene is literally only 14 frames (including the boar landing on his shoulders) and takes place in 3 seconds. You see, many calcs assuming that anime renders at constantly 24 FPS are trash (because they don't). Using watchframebyframe is the best thing, as it can pretty much arrange any number of frames in 60 FPS and give a very accurate time. And no, 0.4 seconds is still actually a great ton of time, that's like 2 times faster than what a normal punch can land. It's very believable seeing how fast he did it and how the boar pretty much disappeared like a flash from the screen.

With that, I think this timeframe debate should be over.
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We can debate this more in a thread if the calc gets accepted.

Is this thread still being debated for ? It seems like the OP thinks the thread is "dumb". Forgive me if I'm wrong.
 
The best thing would be to keep this thread locked and wait for the evaluation for the calc. The feat still lacks a lot of information about how he killed it. I mean, if he has street level+ AP (the result which I got in my calc), he is already strong enough to basically take the boar in one-hit.
 
I would like to ask if we could stop creating more COTE CRTS

I'm pretty sure the limit of CRTS for 1 verse is 3

We have this one, Chair CRT and Koji's abilities
 
Vzearr said:
The max rating would be a "possibly". Even that's highballing it a little bit.
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The verse was possibly 9-B because Ayanokoji stated he could open the steel elevator big enough for people to pass through, I don't think this is a high ball at all
 
XxZetsuxX said:
The verse was possibly 9-B because Ayanokoji stated he could open the steel elevator big enough for people to pass through, I don't think this is a high ball at all
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And I debunked that because it was wrong. So using it in this situation does not work.
 
Vzearr said:
And I debunked that because it was wrong. So using it in this situation does not work.
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That's what you believe, The verse has superhuman feats, I don't see why would he kick for hours especially when he could die of a heatstroke
 
I mean, if you want to justify the stuff, Ibuki herself left a large dent in the walls (which I have a good reasoning for a calc to be very above the baseline wall level), so I don't see why Ayanokouji would face a hard time to do that to the elevator.

Either way, he needed immediate medical attention as he was very sensitive to heat and was basically going to die of a heatstroke (in fact, the elevator statement was the first ever statement where he displayed himself to be actually strong) even though he got out like 1 or 2 minutes after his that statement, so I don't see him doing that in a thousand kicks either.
 
RoggerReggor said:
I mean, if you want to justify the stuff, Ibuki herself left a large dent in the walls (which I have a good reasoning for a calc to be very above the baseline wall level), so I don't see why Ayanokouji would face a hard time to do that to the elevator.
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Why is it that you constantly try to inflate classroom of the elite feats ? She left a dent, not a large dent.
RoggerReggor said:
Either way, he needed immediate medical attention as he was very sensitive to heat and was basically going to die of a heatstroke (in fact, the elevator statement was the first ever statement where he displayed himself to be actually strong) even though he got out like 1 or 2 minutes after his that statement, so I don't see him doing that in a thousand kicks either.
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Re-read my thread.
 
RoggerReggor said:
He cannot have a neurotoxin or any weapons or drugs, the school directly expels people who are found with it.

And no, the boar has many bruises on its body?
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those are not bruises, those are scars made with a sharp instrument, they could not have formed in such a short periode of time either

he can just sneak them in, it's definitely in character for them to cheat the system without being found
 
Passersby said:
those are not bruises, those are scars made with a sharp instrument, they could not have formed in such a short periode of time either
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With a sharp instrument would be blood stains imo, but I don't think assumptions of its injuries would be the best thing to do either.
Passersby said:
he can just sneak them in, it's definitely in character for them to cheat the system without being found
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Yes, the characters are really smart, specially Kouenji would do a huge task of efficiency and is likely to pretty much just play with the boar then to just one-shot it.
 
MorrisHatesYou said:
What about "likely street+" ap based off this?
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I would argue for possibly wall level durability, as Koenji's clothes were covered in dirt, hinting that he was hit by a wild boar. A Straight Street+ level should be fine, considering Koenji made a comment about ending the fight with a boar sooner than he expected.
 
Worthless said:
I would argue for wall level durability, as Koenji's clothes were covered in dirt, hinting that he was hit by a wild boar. A Straight Street+ level should be fine, considering Koenji made a comment about ending the fight with a boar sooner than he expected.
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That's fair but I don't think anyone other than Ayanokoji scales to it
 
Kouenji's AP scaling is quite funny ngl. If he gets a higher calculation (specially through force as in this case) result than Ibuki, then he would be the 2nd strongest outright, but still not the strongest because Ayanokouji narratively obliterates him still. The reason behind that is that Kouenji had the confidence to go against Ayanokouji but he dropped the match as soon as Ayanokouji went full strength. However, Prime Ayanokouji should take on the entire verse with ease, considering how Ayanokouji himself said that if he had a higher body mass, then he could have dominated the match with Kouenji.

However, let's say Kouenji doesn't scale through his own feat, but any other character does, then he will be above Housen through narratives, but still not a high tier, as he never got into a direct confrontation with a person, and only has statements which would make him have a better AP than Housen.
 
Worthless said:
I would argue for possibly wall level durability, as Koenji's clothes were covered in dirt, hinting that he was hit by a wild boar. A Straight Street+ level should be fine, considering Koenji made a comment about ending the fight with a boar sooner than he expected.
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Where are his clothes covered in dirt ?
 
RoggerReggor said:
With a sharp instrument would be blood stains imo, but I don't think assumptions of its injuries would be the best thing to do either.
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...yeah, but those happened a long time ago, that was also my point, i'm not even assuming those are visibly cuts, blunt instruments can't make those scars
 
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