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King of Curses vs World's Strongest Swordsman (JJK vs OPM)
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Am i missing something. What is he supposed to do against Sukuna and the ten shadows
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I was like about to say this is like a Yuta with no hax
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hmmm, what would a Samurai do against 1 layer "invisible" slashes and Ten Shadow? I mean, a Samurai has nothing but... um... "Slash"?
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Just gonna go ahead a vote Sukuna here
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Atomic Samurai can sense Sukuna's ki and his disciples were able to fight many targets at once with their eyes closed via sensing intent.
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alright taking back my vote LMAO
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Do those things have layers?
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does he lead with sunblade? otherwise it takes one (1) Dismantle to cheddar cheese him.
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The slashes that are invisible don't need to be sensed. Atomic Samurai is sensing Sukuna's intent and using his analytical prediction to respond accordingly.
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Why would dismantle take him out?
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I need more proof
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Of what exactly?
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It’s a slashing attack. Why would it not turn him into cheese cubes
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Shrines scale higher than his normal a.p
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his prediction
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sba assumes strongest versions.
shrine upscales from 1 gigaton, while AS scales to 315 megatons.
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Atomic Samurai himself has a large scaling chain involving multiple one shots. He'd likely just block anyways.
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Each of his students (which are nowhere near him skill-wise) were able to defend against and predict 33,333 individual attacks with their eyes closed. I'm not sure what Sukuna has for his attacks to not be able to be predicted, but whatever it is needs to have some serious proof backing it.
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is it enough to close a gap that upscales from 3 times his durability
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Ignoring the fact that this gap wouldn't be enough to take Atomic Samurai out, he scales much higher than this value.
315 Megatons = Gyoro Gyoro < Initial Half Monster Garou << Post-Orochi Garou (oneshot)< Darkshine's casual AP << Evolved Garou < Atomic Samurai who could oneshot this version of Garou with ease.
He has several internal amps with statistic amplification (ki, atomic slash, etc).
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it would. getting hit by a cutting attack that carries 3x the amount of oomf needed to hurt you is how sashimi is made.
cool. if its not quantifiable, at the very, very cream-of-the-top best, he is just equal/slight downscales.
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So not a oneshot like you all are making it seem. Thanks for the concession on that point.
Atomic Samurai fights with a blade. And reinforces his body with ki when he attacks. He's not getting sliced. Nothing close to that.
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and? even with the amps, hes at best equal to Sukuna, whos own cleave can give him some cuts... and this is a knockoff cleave btw.
sukunas cleave >> yuta's cleave, so uh, his dismantles should hurt AS still... alot.
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yeah I just dont imagine AS winning unless if he starts with sunblade.
Sukuna's 'intent' would already be hard to read, his invisible dismantles dont even need a gesture, and even if he just saw this guy dodging his CT like a maniac, he can just domain cook him, as Sukuna is indeed, domain-happy.
Sukuna's 'intent' would already be hard to read, his invisible dismantles dont even need a gesture, and even if he just saw this guy dodging his CT like a maniac, he can just domain cook him, as Sukuna is indeed, domain-happy.
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Sukuna has no way of reacting to Atomic Samurai's attacks. He's getting turned into particles in an instant.
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he'd be preoccupied with Dismantle spam. plus, that speed amp is only for 1 close-range attack.
sukie just wins
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Pretty sure that resistance only works against JJK's version of Anal Pred, which in turn only works against other jujutsu sorcerers because only they can manipulate the flow of their cursed energy to where it can be sensed.
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PTSD pfp. How do you vote again? What's a bump?
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Because the other bums known as the JJK supps somehow can't downgrade him to 7-C or H 7-C.
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Why thank you.
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CE is, in-and-of-itself, negative emotion, which is basically synonymous with negative intent. Sukuna can basically make it unreadable to AS via this way.
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atomic samurai wouldn't be worried about Sukuna's slashes he simply speedblitzes him as he also did with multiple enemies and multiple enemies at once in the manga and takes him out before Sukuna can do anything many heroes in opm often go for the instant kill so he simply blasts him to pieces with an atomic slash
Atomic samurai Imo win
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speed is equalized? and his only major speed-amp is a close-range one. Its 10 meters away, Sukuna will spam dismantles until he possibly sees that AS is dodging like a freak, then he just domain diffs.
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Atomic Samurai will simply need to dodge the attacks once and then instantly kill Sukuna with Atomic slash
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Sukuna scales to 965.53567 Megatons with basically just his fists, over a Gigaton with Cleave and Dismantle, higher with Black Flash that also restores his Cursed Technique and Stamina, gets an omniboost from Malevolent Shrine, and Divine Flame is even stronger than all of that by a significant amount, and
Atomic Samurai should scale to Superalloy Darkshine who can 1 shot a Half Monster Garou that already adapted past Gyoro Gyoro, who is 315.11611 Megatons
Pretty sure both characters resort to just slashing each other
Atomic Samurai can potentially block/dodge Sukuna's punches and Black Flash due to analytical prediction, and instinctive reaction, Sukuna can block/dodge Atomic Samurai's sword hits through significantly better skill and Cleave/Dismantle chainsaw barriers allowing him to touch/catch slashing attacks without actually touching them.
The issue is I don't think Atomic Samurai can block shrine
Yes, Dismantle can be prevented, but the only 2 examples we see of that happening is from Maki, a character who has immensely enhanced senses, can sense/visualize cursed energy and can visualize the soul, and Mahoraga, whom Sukuna stated Maki basically copied from. Kamikaze can't sense cursed energy so basically all of this goes out the window, not to mention neither of the 2 characters I mentioned that can dodge Dismantle were able to BLOCK it, only dodge. Even if you argue he could sense killing intent, Sukuna's invisible attacks are layered, as not even other curse users or curses can sense them at all, and there's also the argument that the slash just goes right through Atomic Samurai's regular sword
Arguing that Atomic Samurai would just blitz Sukuna with his higher attack speed wouldn't work either, considering:
1. Speed is equalized, so both characters's base speed is the same
2. Sukuna's Shrine attacks and Domain amp/Domain effect are all significantly faster than he is, equalizing the speed advantage Atomic Samurai gets from just unga bunga sword swing
3. Sukuna can just use a full body barrier using Cleave and Dismantle to just block everything and resist slashing attacks
4. Atomic Samurai needs to get close to do this. He's never been shown using this enhanced attack speed with his air slashes, not to mention he doesn't even use air slashes that often anyways, considering he didn't use it against Vomited Fuhrer Ugly and his sword melted on contact
If Sukuna ever feels threatened at any point, there's nothing stopping him from pulling out Malevolent Shrine off the bat, as the only reason why he didn't do so against everyone in Shinjuku was cuz he couldn't. In which case Atomic Samurai just gets, well, atomized. If you argue that somehow Atomic Samurai can block EVERYTHING in Malevolent Shrine (which he can't, domain expansions can't be blocked since they spawn on top of you due to the sure hit effect, and even if you say Atomic Samurai is like Maki and is treated as a heavenly restriction user with no cursed energy, Dismantle ignores cursed energy anyways and attacks everything within the domain's effect indiscriminately, including the space on/in atomic samurai so he still gets atomized), fire arrow gg he can't block that
I also want to mention if Atomic Samurai does this, what's stopping Sukuna from regenerating before he falls apart? yeah he's in pieces but everything's still connected, long enough for Rhino Wrestler to have an entire conversation. Sukuna is significantly faster, stronger, and smarter than Rhino Wrestler, and he's also fast enough to perceive everything Atomic Samurai does (since Atomic Samurai has never speed-blitzed people on his level iirc, both his base and his attack speed are Massively Hypersonic+). So the instant he sees himself blitzed by slashes, he just regenerates before he falls apart cuz there's a dumb*ss delay, then he Dismantles Atomic Samurai gg, or malevolent shrine immediately gg, or just runs away and spams range gg
This is ALL not even including the fact that Sukuna has the Ten Shadow's technique (at least, assuming he's incarnating in Megumi's body), meaning Mahoraga just exists and Atomic Samurai gets adapted to gg
Sun Blade is also irrelevant since Atomic Samurai needs time to draw it, which is something Sukuna will never allow
so I'm voting Sukuna, unless the Sun Blade isn't restricted and Atomic Samurai actively starts with it, giving him a speed boost Sukuna can't deal with
Atomic Samurai should scale to Superalloy Darkshine who can 1 shot a Half Monster Garou that already adapted past Gyoro Gyoro, who is 315.11611 Megatons
Pretty sure both characters resort to just slashing each other
Atomic Samurai can potentially block/dodge Sukuna's punches and Black Flash due to analytical prediction, and instinctive reaction, Sukuna can block/dodge Atomic Samurai's sword hits through significantly better skill and Cleave/Dismantle chainsaw barriers allowing him to touch/catch slashing attacks without actually touching them.
The issue is I don't think Atomic Samurai can block shrine
Yes, Dismantle can be prevented, but the only 2 examples we see of that happening is from Maki, a character who has immensely enhanced senses, can sense/visualize cursed energy and can visualize the soul, and Mahoraga, whom Sukuna stated Maki basically copied from. Kamikaze can't sense cursed energy so basically all of this goes out the window, not to mention neither of the 2 characters I mentioned that can dodge Dismantle were able to BLOCK it, only dodge. Even if you argue he could sense killing intent, Sukuna's invisible attacks are layered, as not even other curse users or curses can sense them at all, and there's also the argument that the slash just goes right through Atomic Samurai's regular sword
Arguing that Atomic Samurai would just blitz Sukuna with his higher attack speed wouldn't work either, considering:
1. Speed is equalized, so both characters's base speed is the same
2. Sukuna's Shrine attacks and Domain amp/Domain effect are all significantly faster than he is, equalizing the speed advantage Atomic Samurai gets from just unga bunga sword swing
3. Sukuna can just use a full body barrier using Cleave and Dismantle to just block everything and resist slashing attacks
4. Atomic Samurai needs to get close to do this. He's never been shown using this enhanced attack speed with his air slashes, not to mention he doesn't even use air slashes that often anyways, considering he didn't use it against Vomited Fuhrer Ugly and his sword melted on contact
If Sukuna ever feels threatened at any point, there's nothing stopping him from pulling out Malevolent Shrine off the bat, as the only reason why he didn't do so against everyone in Shinjuku was cuz he couldn't. In which case Atomic Samurai just gets, well, atomized. If you argue that somehow Atomic Samurai can block EVERYTHING in Malevolent Shrine (which he can't, domain expansions can't be blocked since they spawn on top of you due to the sure hit effect, and even if you say Atomic Samurai is like Maki and is treated as a heavenly restriction user with no cursed energy, Dismantle ignores cursed energy anyways and attacks everything within the domain's effect indiscriminately, including the space on/in atomic samurai so he still gets atomized), fire arrow gg he can't block that
I also want to mention if Atomic Samurai does this, what's stopping Sukuna from regenerating before he falls apart? yeah he's in pieces but everything's still connected, long enough for Rhino Wrestler to have an entire conversation. Sukuna is significantly faster, stronger, and smarter than Rhino Wrestler, and he's also fast enough to perceive everything Atomic Samurai does (since Atomic Samurai has never speed-blitzed people on his level iirc, both his base and his attack speed are Massively Hypersonic+). So the instant he sees himself blitzed by slashes, he just regenerates before he falls apart cuz there's a dumb*ss delay, then he Dismantles Atomic Samurai gg, or malevolent shrine immediately gg, or just runs away and spams range gg
This is ALL not even including the fact that Sukuna has the Ten Shadow's technique (at least, assuming he's incarnating in Megumi's body), meaning Mahoraga just exists and Atomic Samurai gets adapted to gg
Sun Blade is also irrelevant since Atomic Samurai needs time to draw it, which is something Sukuna will never allow
so I'm voting Sukuna, unless the Sun Blade isn't restricted and Atomic Samurai actively starts with it, giving him a speed boost Sukuna can't deal with
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assuming if Sukuna'll just stand there after seeing a guy dodge 25 dismantles, he'd be liable for domain after that lol. and besides, they have (at best) relative AP to eachother... which is kinda stretching it since its like a 3x gap, and you'd be justifying an unquantifiable scaling chain pushing a character into a whole another tier.
