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Killua vs Sasuke

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"Super lighspeed" = exaggeration.

"Relativitisc is my estimation" ----> No.

"It's not unless you can prove it" ---> You need a calc to prove speed, the burden of evidence is not on me

The problem with Killua is that you need to calc stack or assume shady timeframes to prove his speed. Yes, using Kanmaru's runout time is shady because his entire journey is not shown.

This calc is not accepted (high end), I believe:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=25061
 
Alakabamm said:
"Super lighspeed" = exaggeration.
"Relativitisc is my estimation" ----> No.

"It's not unless you can prove it" ---> You need a calc to prove speed, the burden of evidence is not on me

The problem with Killua is that you need to calc stack or assume shady timeframes to prove his speed. Yes, using Kanmaru's runout time is shady because his entire journey is not shown.

This calc is not accepted (high end), I believe:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=25061
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It's not. It was explained why you need superlightspeed reflexes in order to catch them, so yeah.

Whatever.

No, I'm talking about your claim "Also, superlightspeed is an extreme exaggeration". That statement wasn't contradicted, so we have to take it.

You don't need to calc stack or whatever. It's not shady whatsoever. We don't need to see the entire journey. We have a timeframe and an apparent distance. That's enough.

That calc was unaccepted, so yeah.
 
and it was unaccepted because it was shady.

You do need to calc stack to get anything other than really bad speeds. That's what it says in my link.

Super Lightspeed is a supreme exaggeration, you can't be serious....
 
Alakabamm said:
and it was unaccepted because it was shady.
You do need to calc stack to get anything other than really bad speeds. That's what it says in my link.

Super Lightspeed is a supreme exaggeration, you can't be serious....
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No, it was unaccepted because of the weird way the calc was built on.

^

Supreme exaggeration? The dart materializes instantly. As soon as the dart the siblings hit the board, it's in the opponent. So a superlightspeed reaction to counter it w/o knowing where it will hit and when isn't an over exaggeration.

Anyway, what will Sasuke do here?
 
....except that is not what happened. After Killua catches the dart, he explains to the Ortho twins that he knew the game of darts because he played it as a child and thus figured out where the final dart would materialze. He then stuck his fingers into a grasping position slightly larger than the other darts (which he could see) in order to merely have to squeeze his fingers together to catch the dart. Does this mean that Killua has reactions way above those of humankind? Yes. But is it anywhere even close to lighspeed, let alone the hyperbole that is "super lightspeed"? No. It's maximum - which was unaccepted here - is something like massively hypersonic+, which isn't even 1% of the speed of light.
 
Alakabamm said:
....except that is not what happened. After Killua catches the dart, he explains to the Ortho twins that he knew the game of darts because he played it as a child and thus figured out where the final dart would materialze. He then stuck his fingers into a grasping position slightly larger than the other darts (which he could see) in order to merely have to squeeze his fingers together to catch the dart. Does this mean that Killua has reactions way above those of humankind? Yes. But is it anywhere even close to lighspeed, let alone the hyperbole that is "super lightspeed"? No. It's maximum - which was unaccepted here - is something like massively hypersonic+, which isn't even 1% of the speed of light.
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That's what I essentially stated. Killua was able to catch the dart because he knew when and where it will hit. For someone to react to the darts without knowledge, they'd require superlightspeed reactions.

His reactions are't superlightspeed, of course. Killua admitted that. His nerves operate at the speed of light, but his reactions aren't that fast. His reactions are still relativstic, for him to react to something that requires superlightspeed reactions in order to react to by only knowing where and when it will hit.
 
"That's what I essentially stated" ---> No, it's not: "So a superlightspeed reaction to counter it w/o knowing where it will hit and when isn't an over exaggeration."

"His nerves operate at the speed of light" -----> wrong, please return to human anatomy.

"His reactions are relativistic" -> Quit saying this, there is zero proof.

"For someone to react to the darts without knowledge, they'd require superlightspeed reactions" - also wrong, just as an example:

SoL = 3.0 x 10^8 m/s

The dart moved for 0.0003s if it was normal dart speed before Killua caught it (calc I linked above)

A fast as light character could catch that dart in that exact timespan from 90km away.
 
Why is this even being hot and debated? It doesn't make sense to me lol! Why am I even following this?
 
His reactions are't superlightspeed, of course. Killua admitted that. His nerves operate at the speed of light, but his reactions aren't that fast. His reactions are still relativstic, for him to react to something that requires superlightspeed reactions in order to react to by only knowing where and when it will hit.TROLL
 
Alakabamm said:
"That's what I essentially stated" ---> No, it's not: "So a superlightspeed reaction to counter it w/o knowing where it will hit and when isn't an over exaggeration."
"His nerves operate at the speed of light" -----> wrong, please return to human anatomy.

"His reactions are relativistic" -> Quit saying this, there is zero proof.

"For someone to react to the darts without knowledge, they'd require superlightspeed reactions" - also wrong, just as an example:

SoL = 3.0 x 10^8 m/s

The dart moved for 0.0003s if it was normal dart speed before Killua caught it (calc I linked above)

A fast as light character could catch that dart in that exact timespan from 90km away.
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So you just keep denying what I say?

Yes, because he sends electrical signals through his aura. Electrons move at the speed of light. Hence why his reaction is that extreme.

The creator of the technique outright stated that you'd need superlightspeed reactions in order to catch it. Killua didn't deny that. It wasn't even contradicted. Killua knew exactly when and where it will hit, that's why he was able to catch it w/o superlightspeed reactions. His reactions are still pretty damn fast.
 
Please try not to overexaggerate Characters @Ichigo, "Superlightspeed" just sounds so, so silly.

also don't wank characters please.
 
^ Agreed lol, HxH is a good show, but it's strength doesn't lie in the OPness of it's characters. I would personally place it above verses like Demonbane in terms of quality (Demonbane was okay but not actually that great)
 
Do you guys even f*cking get it? Killua's reactions, are in absolutely no way, superlightspeed. But it f*cking requires that kind of reaction in order to react to the darts with absolutely no knowledge on its power. And guess f*cking what? Killua had f*cking knowledge on WHEN and WHERE it will hit.
 
so, to bring this thread to a end:

MS sasuke is the maximum enemy which killua can manage to defeat(and this with super-high-diff), and nanika+killua would defeat all versions of sasuke ^_^
 
GreatestSin said:
so, to bring this thread to a end:
MS sasuke is the maximum enemy which killua can manage to defeat(and this with super-high-diff), and nanika+killua would defeat all versions of sasuke ^_^
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I agree.
 
who is nanika? Are you talking about Alluka?

I agree.

Lol Ichigo Freeces though a name made from Ichigo Kurosaki and Gon Freeces.

I wanted to ask, how much of Naruto have you read to make such a statement? This is even if we take out Genjutsu which would make this completely one sided.


Electrons move at the speed of light. Hence why his reaction is that extreme.

^Well not actually, the resistance is quite large in humans, it wouldn't move actually at the speed of light, quite a bit slower actually slower than lightning most likely at best as the resistance in a human is lower than that in air. Humans are bad conductors.

If we're bringing in chemistry into this as well as physics can I say that our bodies depend on not just electrical signals but also chemical signals as well, the time it takes solutes to diffuse varies depending on the distance of the synapses, and the type of molecule being sent out. Neurotransmitters that diffuse to create signals is actually more heavily studied that electrical signals created by the electrical potential from the sodium potassium pumps. The speed of that is much slower than lightning.
 
@aurasuke

she is the other version of alluka, the one which grants every wish of killua :)

as for electrons: please dont bring RL into such stuff, the pure fact that killua turns his aura into electricity already shows how un-real-life-like this is, as for the arguments: lets say electrons move in killuas body with lightspeed, it doesnt change anything at the feat itself ^_^
 
Ichigo Freecs said:
Do you guys even f*cking get it? Killua's reactions, are in absolutely no way, superlightspeed. But it f*cking requires that kind of reaction in order to react to the darts with absolutely no knowledge on its power. And guess f*cking what? Killua had f*cking knowledge on WHEN and WHERE it will hit.
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Funnily enough, Killua said it would of been impossible if he didn't know where it would land, he said he knew where it would land, because he had to finish the game off with a double twenty, so he did infact, know where it will hit.
 
^ Well I disagree with the speed of light within his body. It's fast sure, but he's not really that fast even in reaction time. You're also contradictoring yourself when you say that we shouldn't bring real life when you claim that electricity moves at the speed of light.


Nanika can grant any wish but there's probably a limit to the amount of power she can warp. It's kind of like why Ikaros can solo Goku with her cards as she literally turned the world into a dream. If one interprets the world as the universe then that's a low 2-C feat, if one interprets the world as in a world where Azathoth exists, then that's like tier High 1-A (though some may argue she could because they don't care about power scaling, and NLF). Get what I'm saying here?

Never seen Killua say that electrons move light speed through his body either. If you're assuming electrons move at light speed with no resistance, you will have to consider resistance. Some may even claim that lightning isn't even real lightning in fiction if bullet timers can dodge them. Either way we have to start somewhere right, I'm also guessing you're one of those people who ignore the speed on his profile lol.

Also how would reaction speed help Killua win? It's like Sasuke's precog, you can see it but you can't react to it says Rock Lee.
 
So lets go over the facts and not fantasies then:

Post Itachi Sasuke, that is, pre-War Sasuke can:

-move far faster than Killua has ever been able to

-incapicitate Nanika before he/she/it has a chance to do a thing via illusions, BFR, pure speed blitz, whatever you want to call it

-hit far harder than Killua and also take more damage

It's just over at Shippudden, really.
 
^^^im not talking about electricity btu electrons, and i already said that it wouldnt change his reaction time so it is irrelevant talking about it :)

yeah i know, this is why i think most people wont mention her XD still, nanika showed the ability to kill whoever is having a relationship to a person that didnt fulfill her requests, and teleporting too, i dont have actual feats but the way the butlers got killed looked durability-ignoring to me :)

you confuse his moving/fighting speed with the speed of stuff he creates via his aura, electrons move with lightspeed, but it wont change his speed, let it be water under the bridge ^_^ (i dont see a need to actually talk about this since the feat wont change with that right?)

against current sasuke? lol, nobody argues in uch match, it is a match to see how far killua can go, and i think at most he will manage to take on MS-sasuke, and this with super-high-difficulty, his chances increase with every version below MS and they decrease with every version above ^_^
 
You don't understand electrons, the human body or light speed. I urge you to learn physics.
 
electrons move with lightspeed

I think your confusing electrons with electromagnetic waves which is just light in all spectrums.

Electrons move but not very much. Can you imagine if your body's electrons were moving at the speed of light all the time? You'd be dead lol
 
Alakabamm said:
You don't understand electrons, the human body or light speed. I urge you to learn physics.
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sorry that im not as interested in such stuff as other people :I

^lol, yeah, ichigo talked about electrons so i took them as the same,

dont move all of the particles who get categorized as electromagnetic waves at the speed of light if nothing slows them down? as for moving so fast in my body: of course they wont move that fast in my body, they are clearly slower, but fiction char body isnt the same as RL, he can lift 16 tons easily without nen :I but does it really matter how fast the electrons move in him? his feat was calculated (i think) and he has his stats, im not argueing against it, seems pointless having more discussions about it :)

do most people agree that MS-sasuke is the highest lvl killua can win against? (maybe), than the thread should be closed ^_^
 
Alakabamm said:
You don't understand electrons, the human body or light speed. I urge you to learn physics.
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^ This

You ask a question about physics but you're not intteresting in learning physics. Lol that's quite ironic in my opnion. This probably isn't what you're talking about but technically all matter is both a wave and a particle, but for objects of greater size, the wave like properties are much smaller than the particle like ones. It's the Heistenberg's uncertainty principle, and I urge you to read schrolinger's equations to understand it in greater detail.

Of course fiction doesn't appy the laws of physics, but that means we can't say electrons moving in his body are even close to the electrons moving in a wire with no resistence either. For all we know, it may simply be like speed augmentation.

Chidori can break stuff by coating your hand in lightning. From a physics perspective the amount of voltage you would need would be considerably high, but electricity doesn't actualy allow you to augment your hand so that you can break a rock lol
 
^this is why i said that you shouldnt apply RL-physics to fiction :I i feel like a broken recorder but it doesnt change anything at killuas feat if or if not the electrons or electromagentic waves or whatever move at lightspeed right? so why discussing this with ichigo in the first place?

as for interest: i wouldnt gain anything if i immerse myself in this stuff so i dont really care, a rough understanding is what i prefer more ^_^
 
Look at this page . It explains that rather than the signal to go to his nerves then back to the brain, then from the brain and back to the nerves for the reflexes to begin, he gets an electrical signal immediately. Electrons move at speeds nearly that of the speed of light.

1, 2.

That's how Kanmuru works. His actual speed, reactions, and reflexes are extremely high in Shippu Jenrai. That's how he completely btlized Pouf and Youpi, as well as how he dashed to Gon that quick.

Anyway, what does Sasuke have here? Other than EMS and higher, he would lose to Killua. His MS is just too taxing.
 
:Electrons move at speeds nearly that of the speed of light."

Once again, learn physics.
 
Alakabamm said:
:Electrons move at speeds nearly that of the speed of light."
Once again, learn physics.
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I'm learning physics.

There are a lot of sources that supports the idea of electricity flowing at the speed of light. Just google that.
 
Alakabamm said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snell's_law
"Electricity flowing at the speed of light"

Absolutely not.
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I am absolutely speechless. Someone who doesn't know physics is telling me about Snell's law when he doesn't even understand that Snell's law involves LIGHT traveling thorugh a medium, LIGHT travels at the speed of light, lol thanks couldn't have figured that one out
 
Ichigo Freecs said:
Alakabamm said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snell's_law"Electricity flowing at the speed of light"
Absolutely not.
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What does that prove?
Multiple sources indicate that electricity flows at nearly the speed of light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbi7gJTPSXk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity

https://www.quora.com/How-fast-does-electricty-travel

http://sciencequestionswithsurprisinganswers.org/mobile/2014/02/19/what-is-the-speed-of-electricity/
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Please read electrical resisistance, the human body is not made of copper wire.
 
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