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Hello everyone this is my first crt discussion and I'm not really that good with wording so I apologize if I word something imperfectly. But anyways I actually wanted to discuss about the recent comments regarding the speed downgrade to Killer Peter being subsonic+ because of the fact they have bullet issues, being caught on camera, and being tracked with echolocation, now in my view these kina representations misrepresent on how the series actually show their combat and speed Imo.
So starting with chapter 76 where people have intentionally used this part of the chapter to completely shut down the fact that Peter indicated that it would be considered a death sentence for him if he was to leave the room due to the fact someone with that high lvl of marksmanship (aka Dorothy) wouldn't miss. But I wouldn’t consider this part of the argument a complete downscale due to the fact it completely ignores this part of the statement where Peter clearly states the vantage point that far away a person would be considered smaller than a speck of dust and couldn't be SEEN. If Peter has already calculated the sniper position which was roughly 2.5 miles away and was estimated to travel around 10 seconds then it actually becomes a long ranged prediction+tactical control scenarios, he already estimted the incoming bullet and calculated the distance and figured out the method Dorothy was using to tag her targets using the shadow cast from the candls. In this scenario Peter is mainly analyzing the battlefield rather than trying to dodge the bullet and I do feel like this goes against the whole “he can't dodge the bullet” or “he’s scared to dodge” argument because clearly he was at a disadvantage here, at that distance he was unable to actually see where Dorothy was position was held and couldn't actually dodge the bullet multiple times whatsoever which represent limited escape options it has nothing to do with speed, however he still had enough time to actually physically react to the incoming bullet that was being traveled and again it doesn't represent reaction speed the issue is being exposed in a targeted system. Ultimately I would consider this a bad way to try and use panels like this to downscale his speed because Peter was operating under a server information disadvantage, he couldn't see Dorothy, he couldn't directly track the source of the attack, and initially had no visual confirmation of where the bullets were being fired from which already alone places him in an off guarded state and there's even times where fast characters because vulnerable
when their location and movement options are restricted, you can't expect to dodge something if all of your options are restricted, which I find people to completely ignore.
The next chapter where others consider Peter to subsonic+ was due to Alipede being tagged twice from an opponent that once again known for her sharp shooting, tagging her opponents no matter how fast they are. She managed to tag him twice not because he's slow but because of the fact she can outmaneuver his echolocation. Moreover she literally understood the weakness towards the echolocation by understanding it has limitations in open spaces and darkness, but once Alipede literally thought he had regained the control of the situation he was in he got tagged twice due to misreading and letting his guard twice. Moreover this moment literally already establishes that characters that are hit by bullets can be in a certain conditions to where they're caught off guard or completely careless which leads to them misreading their opponents or falling into a trap because for example, Alipede being tagged after lowering his guard or being tracked via his blood really isn't a result of his failure of being a speedster that's literally a tactical situation. KP repeatedly represents that fighters who are top tier can be hit if their decision making is compromised, and to be honest the series already shows that the characters can literally already react to movements faster than a human eye can track and that the bullets function as situational threats bruh.
Now as everyone already knows Alipede is the type of fighter that already thrives darkness relying his enhanced senses and echolocation to dominate or take out his targets with a low visibility environment, during the fight he explicitly did have confidence in his advantage because the battlefield was dark and in that condition he feels like his opponents becomes completely weak since they can't see. However Dorothy had specialized and managed to countering in advance using her night scope to bypass the situation that she was in against Alipede and as other people may view it as a lack of speed which it really isn't since he's already been able to deflect her bullets twice, Alipede was caught of guard through misinterpretation of Dorothy action questioning why Dorothy moved in a specific direction of the cliff, not realizing that her movement was part of her plan to gain access with her night scope, so Alipede didn't get shot because of the fact he's slow as other people may view it as he actually got shot because of the fact he misread the situation and underestimated her strategy.
Part 2 of the fight: At this point of the battle Dorothy had held the advantage by using a night scope to visually track Alipede in an environment that normally favors him even attempting to follow his blood trail believing that she had secured her part of the battlefield getting ready to take out Alipede, but in that same moment Alipede himself states that the blood trail was clearly a trap and successfully managed to turn the situation around by outmaneuvering her and regaining control of the darkness due to the fact of his camouflage suit, which left Dorothy at a complete visual disadvantage since she was clearly unable to track him effectively. Now in the next critical moment where others misinterpret and just see it as a failing of dodging a bullet just shows how they view the story incorrectly my because when they were both a close distance, Dorothy had deliberately hugged Alipede (should've been me ngl
) to transfer her blood onto his camouflage suit allowing her to tag him again which again really isn't speed based exchange in that current situation it was a tactical deception. Alipede even questioned her actions again wondering if she given up or was it completely pointless, which directly proves that he misread her intent. He even admitted that he let his guard down due to another misinterpretation which literally establishes that the hit that follows is not the result of Dorothy being faster, but in the results of Alipede being caught of guard again after misreading Dorothy once more. In Killer Peter Top-tier fighters can be hit when their expectations are manipulated or when they momentarily lose control of the situation, and in this case, Dorothy managed to win that exchange not through superior speed, but through her layered strategy. Countering Alipede's darkness advantage and adopting when that advantage is restored, but meanwhile Alipede clearly demonstrates that when he is not being misled or placed at a tactical disadvantage he's fully capable of controlling the fight. And throughout the entire fight it's clearly presented that Alipede was not outpaced he was outmaneuvered in specific moments due to the fact of him misreading his target, and where again questioning Dorthy’s actions and admitting lowering his guard which makes it clear that these are off guard situations.
PART 2 ADDRESSING THE GUN ISSUES:
So people consider Killer Peter to be inconsistent simply because they don't always dodge bullets, now in my eyes it completely ignores the environmental constraints fundamentally affect combat becuse the speed in the series is not defined by whether a character can always evade gunfire in every scenario, but whether they can adapt to and overcome layered threats, which Peter already repeatedly demonstrates. In confined environments such as narrow hallways or enclosed rooms the movement options does bcome restricted by walls, angles, and limited space, which in conclusion under these conditions even highly fast characters cannot freely maneuver in other words dodging is no longer the optimal or even a solution, yet others are treating it as a speed downgrade which I quite don't literally understand it's highly common you can't dodge in a situation where escape options are limited
and Peter himself explains that as a distance increases, the spread and coverage of a gunfire widen, effectively reducing escape paths, which turns the situation into zero control problem, not a reaction speed contest as other people may view it as a speed failure .
Instead of rely on raw speed Peter clearly took a smarter approach to take his opponent. For example, when he was facing the gunfire in a confined space, he moved towards the light switch to shut down his opponents vision and literally took him out using an improvised tool like measuring tape. Now this really doesn't demonstrate a limtation of speed it literally demonstrates his level of battle iq, where he recognizes that dodging in a disadvantaged position is inferior to dismantling the conditions that makes the attack dangerous, so people who just argue that peter should dodge the bullet because he's proven to dodge something a hundred times faster than a gun literally fails to understand that speed doesn't override spatial limitations, the velocity isn't the problem in this situations he was in, it was spatial limitations.
But furthermore the series consistently shows that charactlers can react to bullet lf their under proper conditions because Apostles like Philips for example has demonstrated the ability to respond to assault rifle fire by using a military car door to block incoming shots before the bullets could reach him. And the bullet level threats aren't really beyond their capabilities but instead treated as situational hazards. In other words I don't feel like it's good way to downgrade the verse because of the fact they can't dodge bullets in a confined or disadvantaged environment because it highlights the importance of context and positioning, they don't win just by through reckless speed but rather controlling the battlefield and making the smartest decision as possible. There are even scenes where Peter is more than capable of dodging bullets when he's not in a confined space area and even dismantling them
And this further represents the encounter between Peter and Dorothy showing not type of speed limitations rather it showcasing a high lvl exchange given by their strategy and environmental control. Dorothy only managed to tag Peter once in the first attempt early on because of the fact Peter momentarily pauses after detecting killing intent which showcases his awarenes operating at a level where he can sense incoming danger even from his blind spots and this doesn't represent a failure to react, but clear showcases of his perception not knowing where the incoming threat was going to land because of her position being hidden. But from that point the Peter had continued to evolve around an empty auditorium to gain the upper, but Dorothy had already encountered to his tactics by manipulating the setting blinding him with stage lights, masking her position through speakers, and even attempting to track him with a GPS device which again proves that he at the disadvantage and that this encounter doesn't involve raw speed rather than shaping the environment.
But the whole point in this is that Peter’s actions under these conditions directly contradicts the “struggles with the bullets”. Despite limited visibility and the pressure he was under he was still able to throw small objects via nuts accurately enough to disrupt Dorthy’s gunfire which does require him to react. He also recognized that the moment Dorothy had fired her position would be exposed, meaning he could actively have the higher chance to read and exploit her attacks in real time. But Dorothy isn't a regular standard shooter she's literally known for her elite marksman ship who predicts movements, sets traps, manipulates her positions, hides her bullets from being followed, and drives her targets into unavoidable scenarios.
Even when her vision was completely impaired she still continued to shooot which show her prediction and control it's not a speed comparison and Peter even says himself that she still managed to pull solely through predicting his placement
Another moment I would like to add which often misinterprets the “speed issue” is when Peter closes the distance against Dorothy and believes he has finally gained the upper hand, only to be caught guard by her hidden ring pistol which demonstrates again that the exchange was not directly by raw speed, but her tactical deception because she intentionally dropped her Sniper to bait Peter into Close Combat under the assumption that she lost her ranged disadvantage, which is critical because it directly confirms that it was a result of his misreading his opponents not a failure to react due to the lack of speed. There's already been plenty of panels where Peter has managed to dodge bullets from armed gunmen or dismantle their weapons before they have the chance to shoot, but the only time he can't is when obviously he's at limited spaces. And again I don't really think using Dorothy to downgrade their speed is good example because she's literally known to be the main marksman of the verse using all types of tactics and traps to bait her opponents in despite them being faster than a bullet.
PART 3 THE CAMERA ISSUE:
Now according the chapter regarding Matthias sleight of hand technique it's said by Peter not even an ultra high speed slow motion of Camera is capable of tracking it which is clearly a lot faster than a human eye could track and as most people know ultra slow motion cameras are designed to capture certain events but at real time speeds, they are visible or appear as blur when it comes to regular human vision. In the island arc where Raphael had hosted a test for all D-Rank killers to attend, but it was purposely for Thaddeus to go under cover and find Peter, and for those who actually read the webtoon already knows that Thaddeus's has proven to be the fastest character among the verse because of superhuman reflexes and techniques. Now as the Panels shows Kageo and Thaddeus were throwing down as Raphael was looking through the cctv cameras, However it never actually confirmed or explicitly establishes that he perceived every moment in real time with full clarty. At most what's shown is that he had access to the CCTV footage of the fight but accessed the footage which is completely different frame by frame, in other words there's a big lime between reviewing a footage verses reacting in real time. Watching something on a screen especially through a cctv camera doesn't mean you are processing it at the same speed as it occurs, a footage can be paused, replayed, or slowed down. So even if Raphael did observe the fight that doesn't automatically indicate that he was keeping up with Thaddeus's movements as they were happening it just means he was able to analyze the event after or alongside it's recording which is completely different from reacting to it live. Even the James Major has did the same attempt (aka The Jenzards) in season 2 with some other type of technology that hasn't been confirmed yet. I find the Camera argument to not that valid to constantly downscale Thaddeus and Peter’s speed because Cameras are recording tools that capture events, but they don't define the speed at which those events had occurred and there's a huge massive difference between a camera capturing fragments of motion and a character actually reacting to that motion in real time. I only have read the webtoon for 4 months but after reviewing this statement I disagreed because they're treating it as if because of the fact it was caught on camera. Is it fully trackable??? When it actually means the event was recorded in some form.
Because if the fact Kageo and Simon were actually the only two who actually capable to visually follow the high level between Thaddeus and Nathaniel doesn't necessarily go against Thaddeus superhuman reflexes, as both Simon and Kageo possess perception far beyond normal human limits allowing them to see movements faster than what a human eye can track. However despite that advantage, both of them had already engaged in combat against and explicitly admitted that his speed and techniques were overwhelming to the point where they couldn't even react, keep up or nor even defend themselves, which further proves that being able to see an action doesn't mean you're able to react to it. Furthermore this is completely different from watching through a cctv camera because again it records motion frames fully missing the fast movement that's happening before their eyes, and even if Simon and Kageo can see what's happening due to their perception doesn't mean the Camera or footage itself is clear to capture every event. And to be honest the fact that Kageo and Simon were the ones giving information already shows that the camera alone was insufficient. And this is further supported when Thaddeus had managed to over power one of the Jenzards despite her going against replica of Thaddeus mind you he or she had the information that was processed through the system.
Furthermore the camera argument to downgrade Thaddeus, Peter, or Matthias isn't actually accurate because seeing a motion and reacting to it are completely different things Simon and Kageo's statements prove that even when the fight is being observed Thaddeus's speed exceeds way faster for them to react or respond, in other words his speed isn't limited by what can be seen, but by what they counter in real time. And I don’t really find the camera argument to contradict the Massively Hypersonic calculation for Matthias sleight of hand cause it basically address and confuses the difference between recording something verus actual motion speed, the calc that’s represented is derived in distance and timeframe based on the statement that his movements exceed what a slow motion camera can properly capture, and even so a camera can later record characters like Thaddeus but that doesn’t invalidate the timeframe because recording something doesn’t mean it was captured with full precision only because a camera can still register motion while missing the exact frames that defines speed at that level. And more importantly it kinda treats recording something the same thing as speed limit if that makes sense, the series already shows that high tier fighters can see movements but still can’t react to them, proving that perception and reaction are completely different and even though recording exist it doesn’t address or invalidate the speed itself, in other words clear visual output isn't the same as complte temporal capture it only indicates that the system presenting the footage has successfully reconstructed the motion to be viewable standard.
ECHOLOCATION:
Lastly I want to address the echolocation problem, now I find this to complete a downfall towards those keeps using the same off guard panel to downgrade Peter’s speed and just completely ignore what the next chapter represent, so idk if they actually read the chapter or just completely ignored what happened right after that event had occurred. Anyways for those who read the webtoon knows that Alipede's echolocation is like a 360 degree radar he can see objects, people, and movements behind him or even in his blind spot with the same in front and according to their power graph or whatever it's called Alipede fighting in dark exceeds way compare to when he's fighting in a bright and environment and Peter’s. Now Alipede did managed to overpower Peter using his echolocation in a dark environment which Peter had the less advantage since his vision was completely shut down he couldn't fight back, adapt, or even counter Alipede at all due to the dark environment, Alipede only managed to track Peter in the dark using his echolocation. However, when Peter actually overpowered his echolocation and lure him into another room, Alipede already admitted multiple times that he's way to fast for him to react despite him using his echolocation, which literally proves that Alipede's echolocation works against those in a dark environment even if they can move faster than the speed of sound, this already establishes that characters like Peter including others who are faster then him are more then capable of moving faster then sound.
In conclusion, the downgrade to subsonic+ is based on a series of misinterpretation involving context depending bullet interactions, strategy combat outcomes, misunderstanding how recording technology relates to motion speed, and conflation of perception with reaction. When some of the elements are analyzed properly they don't really contradict the high speed scaling against Killer Peter. Instead Killer Peter operates on a different framework of tactical combat and perceptual limitations that go beyond speed comparison. The verse should be placed to Supersonic+ and high consideration that the MHS calc should remain valid.
So starting with chapter 76 where people have intentionally used this part of the chapter to completely shut down the fact that Peter indicated that it would be considered a death sentence for him if he was to leave the room due to the fact someone with that high lvl of marksmanship (aka Dorothy) wouldn't miss. But I wouldn’t consider this part of the argument a complete downscale due to the fact it completely ignores this part of the statement where Peter clearly states the vantage point that far away a person would be considered smaller than a speck of dust and couldn't be SEEN. If Peter has already calculated the sniper position which was roughly 2.5 miles away and was estimated to travel around 10 seconds then it actually becomes a long ranged prediction+tactical control scenarios, he already estimted the incoming bullet and calculated the distance and figured out the method Dorothy was using to tag her targets using the shadow cast from the candls. In this scenario Peter is mainly analyzing the battlefield rather than trying to dodge the bullet and I do feel like this goes against the whole “he can't dodge the bullet” or “he’s scared to dodge” argument because clearly he was at a disadvantage here, at that distance he was unable to actually see where Dorothy was position was held and couldn't actually dodge the bullet multiple times whatsoever which represent limited escape options it has nothing to do with speed, however he still had enough time to actually physically react to the incoming bullet that was being traveled and again it doesn't represent reaction speed the issue is being exposed in a targeted system. Ultimately I would consider this a bad way to try and use panels like this to downscale his speed because Peter was operating under a server information disadvantage, he couldn't see Dorothy, he couldn't directly track the source of the attack, and initially had no visual confirmation of where the bullets were being fired from which already alone places him in an off guarded state and there's even times where fast characters because vulnerable
when their location and movement options are restricted, you can't expect to dodge something if all of your options are restricted, which I find people to completely ignore.
The next chapter where others consider Peter to subsonic+ was due to Alipede being tagged twice from an opponent that once again known for her sharp shooting, tagging her opponents no matter how fast they are. She managed to tag him twice not because he's slow but because of the fact she can outmaneuver his echolocation. Moreover she literally understood the weakness towards the echolocation by understanding it has limitations in open spaces and darkness, but once Alipede literally thought he had regained the control of the situation he was in he got tagged twice due to misreading and letting his guard twice. Moreover this moment literally already establishes that characters that are hit by bullets can be in a certain conditions to where they're caught off guard or completely careless which leads to them misreading their opponents or falling into a trap because for example, Alipede being tagged after lowering his guard or being tracked via his blood really isn't a result of his failure of being a speedster that's literally a tactical situation. KP repeatedly represents that fighters who are top tier can be hit if their decision making is compromised, and to be honest the series already shows that the characters can literally already react to movements faster than a human eye can track and that the bullets function as situational threats bruh.
Now as everyone already knows Alipede is the type of fighter that already thrives darkness relying his enhanced senses and echolocation to dominate or take out his targets with a low visibility environment, during the fight he explicitly did have confidence in his advantage because the battlefield was dark and in that condition he feels like his opponents becomes completely weak since they can't see. However Dorothy had specialized and managed to countering in advance using her night scope to bypass the situation that she was in against Alipede and as other people may view it as a lack of speed which it really isn't since he's already been able to deflect her bullets twice, Alipede was caught of guard through misinterpretation of Dorothy action questioning why Dorothy moved in a specific direction of the cliff, not realizing that her movement was part of her plan to gain access with her night scope, so Alipede didn't get shot because of the fact he's slow as other people may view it as he actually got shot because of the fact he misread the situation and underestimated her strategy.
Part 2 of the fight: At this point of the battle Dorothy had held the advantage by using a night scope to visually track Alipede in an environment that normally favors him even attempting to follow his blood trail believing that she had secured her part of the battlefield getting ready to take out Alipede, but in that same moment Alipede himself states that the blood trail was clearly a trap and successfully managed to turn the situation around by outmaneuvering her and regaining control of the darkness due to the fact of his camouflage suit, which left Dorothy at a complete visual disadvantage since she was clearly unable to track him effectively. Now in the next critical moment where others misinterpret and just see it as a failing of dodging a bullet just shows how they view the story incorrectly my because when they were both a close distance, Dorothy had deliberately hugged Alipede (should've been me ngl
) to transfer her blood onto his camouflage suit allowing her to tag him again which again really isn't speed based exchange in that current situation it was a tactical deception. Alipede even questioned her actions again wondering if she given up or was it completely pointless, which directly proves that he misread her intent. He even admitted that he let his guard down due to another misinterpretation which literally establishes that the hit that follows is not the result of Dorothy being faster, but in the results of Alipede being caught of guard again after misreading Dorothy once more. In Killer Peter Top-tier fighters can be hit when their expectations are manipulated or when they momentarily lose control of the situation, and in this case, Dorothy managed to win that exchange not through superior speed, but through her layered strategy. Countering Alipede's darkness advantage and adopting when that advantage is restored, but meanwhile Alipede clearly demonstrates that when he is not being misled or placed at a tactical disadvantage he's fully capable of controlling the fight. And throughout the entire fight it's clearly presented that Alipede was not outpaced he was outmaneuvered in specific moments due to the fact of him misreading his target, and where again questioning Dorthy’s actions and admitting lowering his guard which makes it clear that these are off guard situations.PART 2 ADDRESSING THE GUN ISSUES:
So people consider Killer Peter to be inconsistent simply because they don't always dodge bullets, now in my eyes it completely ignores the environmental constraints fundamentally affect combat becuse the speed in the series is not defined by whether a character can always evade gunfire in every scenario, but whether they can adapt to and overcome layered threats, which Peter already repeatedly demonstrates. In confined environments such as narrow hallways or enclosed rooms the movement options does bcome restricted by walls, angles, and limited space, which in conclusion under these conditions even highly fast characters cannot freely maneuver in other words dodging is no longer the optimal or even a solution, yet others are treating it as a speed downgrade which I quite don't literally understand it's highly common you can't dodge in a situation where escape options are limited
and Peter himself explains that as a distance increases, the spread and coverage of a gunfire widen, effectively reducing escape paths, which turns the situation into zero control problem, not a reaction speed contest as other people may view it as a speed failure .Instead of rely on raw speed Peter clearly took a smarter approach to take his opponent. For example, when he was facing the gunfire in a confined space, he moved towards the light switch to shut down his opponents vision and literally took him out using an improvised tool like measuring tape. Now this really doesn't demonstrate a limtation of speed it literally demonstrates his level of battle iq, where he recognizes that dodging in a disadvantaged position is inferior to dismantling the conditions that makes the attack dangerous, so people who just argue that peter should dodge the bullet because he's proven to dodge something a hundred times faster than a gun literally fails to understand that speed doesn't override spatial limitations, the velocity isn't the problem in this situations he was in, it was spatial limitations.
But furthermore the series consistently shows that charactlers can react to bullet lf their under proper conditions because Apostles like Philips for example has demonstrated the ability to respond to assault rifle fire by using a military car door to block incoming shots before the bullets could reach him. And the bullet level threats aren't really beyond their capabilities but instead treated as situational hazards. In other words I don't feel like it's good way to downgrade the verse because of the fact they can't dodge bullets in a confined or disadvantaged environment because it highlights the importance of context and positioning, they don't win just by through reckless speed but rather controlling the battlefield and making the smartest decision as possible. There are even scenes where Peter is more than capable of dodging bullets when he's not in a confined space area and even dismantling them
And this further represents the encounter between Peter and Dorothy showing not type of speed limitations rather it showcasing a high lvl exchange given by their strategy and environmental control. Dorothy only managed to tag Peter once in the first attempt early on because of the fact Peter momentarily pauses after detecting killing intent which showcases his awarenes operating at a level where he can sense incoming danger even from his blind spots and this doesn't represent a failure to react, but clear showcases of his perception not knowing where the incoming threat was going to land because of her position being hidden. But from that point the Peter had continued to evolve around an empty auditorium to gain the upper, but Dorothy had already encountered to his tactics by manipulating the setting blinding him with stage lights, masking her position through speakers, and even attempting to track him with a GPS device which again proves that he at the disadvantage and that this encounter doesn't involve raw speed rather than shaping the environment.
But the whole point in this is that Peter’s actions under these conditions directly contradicts the “struggles with the bullets”. Despite limited visibility and the pressure he was under he was still able to throw small objects via nuts accurately enough to disrupt Dorthy’s gunfire which does require him to react. He also recognized that the moment Dorothy had fired her position would be exposed, meaning he could actively have the higher chance to read and exploit her attacks in real time. But Dorothy isn't a regular standard shooter she's literally known for her elite marksman ship who predicts movements, sets traps, manipulates her positions, hides her bullets from being followed, and drives her targets into unavoidable scenarios.
Even when her vision was completely impaired she still continued to shooot which show her prediction and control it's not a speed comparison and Peter even says himself that she still managed to pull solely through predicting his placement
Another moment I would like to add which often misinterprets the “speed issue” is when Peter closes the distance against Dorothy and believes he has finally gained the upper hand, only to be caught guard by her hidden ring pistol which demonstrates again that the exchange was not directly by raw speed, but her tactical deception because she intentionally dropped her Sniper to bait Peter into Close Combat under the assumption that she lost her ranged disadvantage, which is critical because it directly confirms that it was a result of his misreading his opponents not a failure to react due to the lack of speed. There's already been plenty of panels where Peter has managed to dodge bullets from armed gunmen or dismantle their weapons before they have the chance to shoot, but the only time he can't is when obviously he's at limited spaces. And again I don't really think using Dorothy to downgrade their speed is good example because she's literally known to be the main marksman of the verse using all types of tactics and traps to bait her opponents in despite them being faster than a bullet.
PART 3 THE CAMERA ISSUE:
Now according the chapter regarding Matthias sleight of hand technique it's said by Peter not even an ultra high speed slow motion of Camera is capable of tracking it which is clearly a lot faster than a human eye could track and as most people know ultra slow motion cameras are designed to capture certain events but at real time speeds, they are visible or appear as blur when it comes to regular human vision. In the island arc where Raphael had hosted a test for all D-Rank killers to attend, but it was purposely for Thaddeus to go under cover and find Peter, and for those who actually read the webtoon already knows that Thaddeus's has proven to be the fastest character among the verse because of superhuman reflexes and techniques. Now as the Panels shows Kageo and Thaddeus were throwing down as Raphael was looking through the cctv cameras, However it never actually confirmed or explicitly establishes that he perceived every moment in real time with full clarty. At most what's shown is that he had access to the CCTV footage of the fight but accessed the footage which is completely different frame by frame, in other words there's a big lime between reviewing a footage verses reacting in real time. Watching something on a screen especially through a cctv camera doesn't mean you are processing it at the same speed as it occurs, a footage can be paused, replayed, or slowed down. So even if Raphael did observe the fight that doesn't automatically indicate that he was keeping up with Thaddeus's movements as they were happening it just means he was able to analyze the event after or alongside it's recording which is completely different from reacting to it live. Even the James Major has did the same attempt (aka The Jenzards) in season 2 with some other type of technology that hasn't been confirmed yet. I find the Camera argument to not that valid to constantly downscale Thaddeus and Peter’s speed because Cameras are recording tools that capture events, but they don't define the speed at which those events had occurred and there's a huge massive difference between a camera capturing fragments of motion and a character actually reacting to that motion in real time. I only have read the webtoon for 4 months but after reviewing this statement I disagreed because they're treating it as if because of the fact it was caught on camera. Is it fully trackable??? When it actually means the event was recorded in some form.
Because if the fact Kageo and Simon were actually the only two who actually capable to visually follow the high level between Thaddeus and Nathaniel doesn't necessarily go against Thaddeus superhuman reflexes, as both Simon and Kageo possess perception far beyond normal human limits allowing them to see movements faster than what a human eye can track. However despite that advantage, both of them had already engaged in combat against and explicitly admitted that his speed and techniques were overwhelming to the point where they couldn't even react, keep up or nor even defend themselves, which further proves that being able to see an action doesn't mean you're able to react to it. Furthermore this is completely different from watching through a cctv camera because again it records motion frames fully missing the fast movement that's happening before their eyes, and even if Simon and Kageo can see what's happening due to their perception doesn't mean the Camera or footage itself is clear to capture every event. And to be honest the fact that Kageo and Simon were the ones giving information already shows that the camera alone was insufficient. And this is further supported when Thaddeus had managed to over power one of the Jenzards despite her going against replica of Thaddeus mind you he or she had the information that was processed through the system.
Furthermore the camera argument to downgrade Thaddeus, Peter, or Matthias isn't actually accurate because seeing a motion and reacting to it are completely different things Simon and Kageo's statements prove that even when the fight is being observed Thaddeus's speed exceeds way faster for them to react or respond, in other words his speed isn't limited by what can be seen, but by what they counter in real time. And I don’t really find the camera argument to contradict the Massively Hypersonic calculation for Matthias sleight of hand cause it basically address and confuses the difference between recording something verus actual motion speed, the calc that’s represented is derived in distance and timeframe based on the statement that his movements exceed what a slow motion camera can properly capture, and even so a camera can later record characters like Thaddeus but that doesn’t invalidate the timeframe because recording something doesn’t mean it was captured with full precision only because a camera can still register motion while missing the exact frames that defines speed at that level. And more importantly it kinda treats recording something the same thing as speed limit if that makes sense, the series already shows that high tier fighters can see movements but still can’t react to them, proving that perception and reaction are completely different and even though recording exist it doesn’t address or invalidate the speed itself, in other words clear visual output isn't the same as complte temporal capture it only indicates that the system presenting the footage has successfully reconstructed the motion to be viewable standard.
ECHOLOCATION:
Lastly I want to address the echolocation problem, now I find this to complete a downfall towards those keeps using the same off guard panel to downgrade Peter’s speed and just completely ignore what the next chapter represent, so idk if they actually read the chapter or just completely ignored what happened right after that event had occurred. Anyways for those who read the webtoon knows that Alipede's echolocation is like a 360 degree radar he can see objects, people, and movements behind him or even in his blind spot with the same in front and according to their power graph or whatever it's called Alipede fighting in dark exceeds way compare to when he's fighting in a bright and environment and Peter’s. Now Alipede did managed to overpower Peter using his echolocation in a dark environment which Peter had the less advantage since his vision was completely shut down he couldn't fight back, adapt, or even counter Alipede at all due to the dark environment, Alipede only managed to track Peter in the dark using his echolocation. However, when Peter actually overpowered his echolocation and lure him into another room, Alipede already admitted multiple times that he's way to fast for him to react despite him using his echolocation, which literally proves that Alipede's echolocation works against those in a dark environment even if they can move faster than the speed of sound, this already establishes that characters like Peter including others who are faster then him are more then capable of moving faster then sound.
In conclusion, the downgrade to subsonic+ is based on a series of misinterpretation involving context depending bullet interactions, strategy combat outcomes, misunderstanding how recording technology relates to motion speed, and conflation of perception with reaction. When some of the elements are analyzed properly they don't really contradict the high speed scaling against Killer Peter. Instead Killer Peter operates on a different framework of tactical combat and perceptual limitations that go beyond speed comparison. The verse should be placed to Supersonic+ and high consideration that the MHS calc should remain valid.
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so everyone could see the argument?
