Killer Hero (Stickman Hero vs Nhazul) [CANCELED]

[CathyEpic]

Two titular stickman protagonists clash. Let's see who is victorious.

Match Conditions

• Rivals Arc Stickman Hero and Chapter 4 Nhazul are used, both at High 6-A
• Stickman Hero's Flame Body and Nightmare are restricted
• Starting distance is 100 meters
• Location is a lifeless, indestructible planet

 Voting
Stickman Hero:
Scales to 183.24 Petatons of TNT

Nhazul:
Scales to 61.53 Petatons of TNT

Magic critty cat:
Inconclusive

 

[CathyEpic]

How does Nhazul deal with Stickman Hero's starting move of coming at him with a massive blast of fire? It seems the extent of Nhazul's extreme heat resistance is surviving the surface of a star, which Stickman Hero is known to far surpass. The heat from being somewhat adjacent to the flames alone should be able to hurt Nhazul pretty bad and kill him if he doesn't act quick.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

How does Nhazul deal with Stickman Hero's starting move of coming at him with a massive blast of fire? It seems the extent of Nhazul's extreme heat resistance is surviving the surface of a star, which Stickman Hero is known to far surpass. The heat from being somewhat adjacent to the flames alone should be able to hurt Nhazul pretty bad and kill him if he doesn't act quick.

I arrived aa fast as I can… anyways, looking at this, Nhazul has Precognition, which prevents him from dying—instinctively. Either that, or Past-Self kicks in, which only activates when something reminds him of his past like Explosions—and when he’s going to die.

 

[CathyEpic]

I arrived aa fast as I can… anyways, looking at this, Nhazul has Precognition, which prevents him from dying—instinctively.

How specifically would he use this to evade the attack? If he dodges, Stickman Hero will be able to read Nhazul's thoughts and either give chase himself, or have the blast of fire follow him.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

How specifically would he use this to evade the attack? If he dodges, Stickman Hero will be able to read Nhazul's thoughts and either give chase himself, or have the blast of fire follow him.

In that case, his Past Self would activate and take over, but another way… he has Extrasensory Perception or just reflect the blast onto SH.

Also basically: precog vs telepathy = neutralized, unless Nhazul uses it as a trigger for layered counters instead of just dodges.

And he could just Nullify Stickman Hero’s flames, and then Mid-game he will apply Stat Reduction to slow SH’s offense, then overlay Power Nullification to weaken the flames.

Past Self transformation is usually triggered at near-death or extreme rage.

 

[CathyEpic]

In that case, his Past Self would activate and take over, but another way… he has Extrasensory Perception or just reflect the blast onto SH.

Also basically: precog vs telepathy = neutralized, unless Nhazul uses it as a trigger for layered counters instead of just dodges.

SMH can no-sell his own fire, so that's not a problem, and in fact, he can use the reflected attack to Fire Counter and instinctively teleport behind Nhazul to deliver an incredibly hot fiery punch. Again, just being near this heat is pretty much lethal. What can Nhazul do against this?

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

SMH can no-sell his own fire, so that's not a problem, and in fact, he can use the reflected attack to Fire Counter and instinctively teleport behind Nhazul to deliver an incredibly hot fiery punch. Again, just being near this heat is pretty much lethal. What can Nhazul do against this?

Ooooo I just remembered..

Nhazul’s eyes flash before danger, giving him warning even against surprise angles. If SMH teleports behind him, Nhazul should sense the intent and either:

• Dodge immediately (precog + acrobatics), or Throw up a Forcefield (Magic Mode) subconsciously, blocking the counterblow. (Since that Forcefield activated without intent and protected Nhazul from danger)

Oh, and… Nhazul has Danmaku, how would SMH dodge that? Alongside the Earth Manipulation to keep him far away. After that, he could Manipulate SMH’s soul and end thin there. Once his Past triggers, the battle changes in Nhazul’s favor.

 

[CathyEpic]

Ooooo I just remembered..

Nhazul’s eyes flash before danger, giving him warning even against surprise angles. If SMH teleports behind him, Nhazul should sense the intent and either:

• Dodge immediately (precog + acrobatics), or Throw up a Forcefield (Magic Mode) subconsciously, blocking the counterblow. (Since that Forcefield activated without intent and protected Nhazul from danger)

Oh, and… Nhazul has Danmaku, how would SMH dodge that? Alongside the Earth Manipulation to keep him far away. After that, he could Manipulate SMH’s soul and end thin there. Once his Past triggers, the battle changes in Nhazul’s favor.

SMH is very experienced with Danmaku attack patterns considering the foes he's already dealt with by this point. He could also just burn through the earth attacks that are sent his way and continue to incinerate everything in the area. How does Soul Manipulation work exactly? Even then, Stickman Hero's indomitable will and ability to adapt to his opponent's abilities that would otherwise do him in should be able to save him from having his soul messed with.

Stickman Hero could also go completely invisible by manipulating his own particles and keep the pressure on Nhazul by continuously teleporting and coming at him with fire blasts.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

How does Soul Manipulation work exactly?

In Past Self state, Nhazul gripped and destroyed Moribund’s 6 souls directly, bypassing her defenses, breaking them apart. Anyways.

However, unlike illusions or mind hax, soul destruction is direct—if Nhazul grips it, SH would need adaptation immediately or else.

Or even Edict of Reality would End SMH in one Go by declaring his fate. Past Self can slow opponents by ×400, which directly cripples SH’s dodging, counters, and momentum.

Doesn’t matter if SH adapts to Hax—if Nhazul grabs the soul, it’s a lethal condition (1 Layer), and there’s Existence Erasure to end SMH completely or turn him into stone to immobilize him.

 

[CathyEpic]

In Past Self state, Nhazul gripped and destroyed Moribund’s 6 souls directly, bypassing her defenses, breaking them apart. Anyways.

However, unlike illusions or mind hax, soul destruction is direct—if Nhazul grips it, SH would need adaptation immediately or else.

Or even Edict of Reality would End SMH in one Go by declaring his fate. Past Self can slow opponents by ×400, which directly cripples SH’s dodging, counters, and momentum.

Doesn’t matter if SH adapts to Hax—if Nhazul grabs the soul, it’s a lethal condition (1 Layer), and there’s Existence Erasure to end SMH completely or turn him into stone to immobilize him.

If thats the case, wouldnt Nhazul need to get up close for that? SMH might be able to just read his mind and keep a good enough distance to avoid it at all times. What does Nhazul need to do to use Edict of Reality? Because if he can just do it at any time without any motion or speaking, I don't see a wincon for SMH. Also, how does Past Self slowing down SMH work? Is it mind based? Even if he's able to slow SMH, he could just begin to teleport and let his flames deal all the damage needed for him. Also, I'm not seeing a counter to SMH just becoming invisible to get the jump on Nhazul and incinerate him.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

If thats the case, wouldnt Nhazul need to get up close for that? SMH might be able to just read his mind and keep a good enough distance to avoid it at all times. What does Nhazul need to do to use Edict of Reality? Because if he can just do it at any time without any motion or speaking, I don't see a wincon for SMH. Also, how does Past Self slowing down SMH work? Is it mind based? Even if he's able to slow SMH, he could just begin to teleport and let his flames deal all the damage needed for him. Also, I'm not seeing a counter to SMH just becoming invisible to get the jump on Nhazul and incinerate him.

Nhazul has enhanced senses, also I’ll brb to see how exactly those two major abilities work… however, Nhazul seems to extend his hand out and just declare his statement—doing whatever to the target… but in the novel, he just speaks, and it’s very fast that not even someone relative can react to stop him before dying.

 

[Rayfire]

Watching

 

[CathyEpic]

Nhazul has enhanced senses, also I’ll brb to see how exactly those two major abilities work… however, Nhazul seems to extend his hand out and just declare his statement—doing whatever to the target… but in the novel, he just speaks, and it’s very fast that not even someone relative can react to stop him before dying.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. As soon as the thought pops into Nhazul's head to use it, Stickman Hero would do everything in his power to prevent Nhazul from uttering the words necessary. Essentially just immediately incinerating everything in his range, which by this point is the entire planet they're fighting on. Nhazul won't be able to speak if he's burnt to a crisp.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Okay, I found it for Statistics Reduction… he just moves his hand??:

“Then came the end: Nhazul's eyes glowed. With a single gesture, he drained the swiftness from her body, slowing her by four hundreds of times. Her movements turned sluggish, her powers stifled.”

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. As soon as the thought pops into Nhazul's head to use it, Stickman Hero would do everything in his power to prevent Nhazul from uttering the words necessary. Essentially just immediately incinerating everything in his range, which by this point is the entire planet they're fighting on. Nhazul won't be able to speak if he's burnt to a crisp.

What about Fear and Paralysis via Aura (this affects the mental state too, I forgot to introduce these)

 

[CathyEpic]

Okay, I found it for Statistics Reduction… he just moves his hand??:

Well, like i said, even if he does get slowed, doesnt seem like it can stop teleporting and the flames that can engulfed the entire planet.

 

[CathyEpic]

What about Fear and Paralysis via Aura (this affects the mental state too, I forgot to introduce these)

SMH by this point has already been met with similar abilities and his absurd supernatural willpower should be more than enough to power through this.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

SMH by this point has already been met with similar abilities and his absurd supernatural willpower should be more than enough to power through this.

What if Nhazul activates Death and Madness Manipulation onto SMH (These are also related to Aura, Nhazul caused the plants around him to die instantly and reflected Moribound’s emotions—making her lose her mind the entire time), that’s something that doesn’t need time… this could affect him even with his will.

Madness Manipulation: At worst, it cracks through his willpower over time, making his perception unreliable (e.g., seeing false attack angles)

 

[CathyEpic]

What if Nhazul activates Death and Madness Manipulation onto SMH (These are also related to Aura, Nhazul caused the plants around him to die instantly and reflected Moribound’s emotions—making her lose her mind the entire time)

I'd say SMH's will should still be able to help him here. He's actually dealt with a guy who could do the whole Madness thing exactly, Cabinbatake, and beat him quite easily. Death Manipulation's apparent only feat being killing plants makes me doubt that it would work on SMH in the first place. I'm still seeing the planetary incineration being a great wincon for SMH.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Chaoter 0.3 also states this:

“You will be stone. Your body, your thought, your name—erased from every reflection, every elsewhere, every tomorrow.” The words he said were too fast that she couldn’t react in time, it was like it was being sped up by millions times the speed of light.

 

[CathyEpic]

Chaoter 0.3 also states this:

Between equalized speed and again, mind reading, Stickman Hero can burn everything more than quick enough before Nhazul can use this.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Ok, ok…

But how would he counter Existence Erasure? And Memory Erasure, this ranges to Multiversal (but should really be Low Multiversal since it’s only across realities), or Deconstruction and Power Mimicry?

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

I don’t even know who to pick anymore..

 

[CathyEpic]

Ok, ok…

But how would he counter Existence Erasure? And Memory Erasure, this ranges to Multiversal (but should really be Low Multiversal since it’s only across realities), or Deconstruction and Power Mimicry?

How does the Existence Erasure work? If it's anything short of instantaneous, SMH should be able to play around it and deal a lethal burn. Same for Deconstruction. Power Mimicry shouldn't help at all since SMH again, no-sells his own flames, and that might just end up killing Nhazul if he goes for it since he himself can't take the heat.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

How does the Existence Erasure work? If it's anything short of instantaneous,

It’s like an AOE attack, it says it

 

[CathyEpic]

It’s like an AOE attack

Well, I'm not seeing any range on Nhazul's profile for this key that's over 10 meters, so SMH probably just avoids the area of effect entirely and incinerates Nhazul.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Well, I'm not seeing any range on Nhazul's profile for this key that's over 10 meters, so SMH probably just avoids the area of effect entirely and incinerates Nhazul.

It states..

“Moribund’s scream ended before it began. He unleashed the AOE attack that expanded to the cosmos.“

Probably Universal

 

[CathyEpic]

It states..


Probably Universal

If that's the case. Stickman Hero should simply be able to see the attack being planned in Nhazul's mind before he uses it and copy it to erase Nhazul before he gets the chance to erase SMH. Nhazul's EE resistance shouldn't help much either since SMH is not only known to improve on copied abilities but also accelerate their potency to effecting even those who resist them.

 

[CathyEpic]

I'll continue debating in the morning

 

[MintyBoi1]

I’m pretty sure Telepathy would counter very short Precognition easily. Not to mention Nhazul going into his past form is a factor that would take some time, in which SMH kills him. Even when it’s activated, SMH can see everything he does coming and just nuke him. As well as resist some of his more potent hax. Madness manipulation also shouldn’t even be there given it’s just Attack Reflection for someone else’s Madness manipulation. I don’t see Nhazul winning this very often.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Bruh. We’ve come this far…

The creator said this:

“End The Matchup, Username.”

I’m so sorry… they want to discontinue this matchup.

 

[CathyEpic]

Bruh. We’ve come this far…

The creator said this:


I’m so sorry… they want to discontinue this matchup.

Seems kind of convenient that the creator said to discontinue the matchup the moment it was looking bleak for Nhazul. Was there a specific reason they wanted to discontinue the matchup?

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Seems kind of convenient that the creator said to discontinue the matchup the moment it was looking bleak for Nhazul. Was there a specific reason they wanted to discontinue the matchup?

I believe they were discussing with Flip, they didn’t tell me a full reason why, they just said that one line and that’s it, you could ask them yourself if you want.. probably personal.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I don't really understand why Karuu isn't here to debate their own character. It's great to have such an ardent supporter like Username to assist but they really should take initiative to be present for their characters in threads.