Kid Goku and Piccolo Daimo revison

[Sparky_"Dante"_Marky1234]

Bunch of Dragon Ball feats, and other things that should be addressed for characters.

Start of series Kid Goku His speed is so fast that he casually moved faster than a bear thugs eyes could track. The thug seings his sword at Goku, and when he turned around, Goku had playfully hopped on his sword. This gives Start of DB Goku Sub-Sonic combat speed. Anyways, moving on to more major stuff.

22nd Budokai & King Piccolo Fight Kid Goku

Combat and Reaction Speed: Kid Goku and Master Roshi had a beam clash in the 21st Budokai with their Kamehamehas. Roshis Kamehameha can be potentially scaled to Piccolos Special Beam Canon (in terms of speed only), which was calced at 7% the speed of light. http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/dragon-ball-feat-piccolos-moon-bust.17224/

Kid Goku and Roshis beams clash, meeting at about an equal distance between the two. They are likely fired at the same time, making the blasts equal in speed. tbn:ANd9GcQ1Okr7q5B6I0wkbFsQ_GT3gBx04NERbFjt6N-UsniJeQZ2vJlfIg

Kid Goku can control the direction of his Kamehameha, displayed again King Piccolo. http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/149746/3812082-1235964664-10.jp.jpg

That would give Kid Goku Sub-Relavistic+ reactions at this point. Coincidentally, it also gives King Piccolo Sub-Relavistic reactions for reacting in time to block the beam before it started bending (thiugh, since he couldn't react to it when it was bending, it's a stretch to say Sub-Relavistic+). And since he was able to move faster than King Piccolo, it in turn gives Kid Goku Sub-Relavistic+ combat speed as well.

Strength and Durability: Master Roshi stated that Kid Goku was superior to him by the 22nd Budokai. This is made clear by the fact that Goku was equal to Tien, whereas Roshi was not. And it's likely including his buff forms strength and durability as well, as the guides have 22nd Buokai Goku as superior to Roshi.

Roshi (while out of shape) is City level. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ter_Roshi_destroys_Mount_Frypan?useskin=oasis

He's superior to a fit fully powered Roshi.

That makes 22nd Budokai Goku a City buster. King Piccolo fight Goku is Continent level, but I will get into that on the section about King Piccolo himself. It would also scale to characters such as Tien, Krillin, and Piccolo JR during the 23rd Budokai tournament, who likely surpassed Kid Goku at that point.

Stats

22nd Budokai: DC/Durability = Likely City level+ Combat Speed = At least Massively Hypersonic+

King Piccolo fight: DC/Durability = Likely Continent level Combat Speed = Sub-Relavistic+

Moving on:

King Piccolo Strength and Durability:

Considering Old King Piccolo was far superior to 22nd Budokai Goku, he's easily City level, which means the hole argument of Prime King Piccolo being only City level is less believable, as he's superior to Goku, a City buster. It also gives the statement from King Piccolo more meaning, said statement being him implying that he could destroy the earth in 43 full powered blasts.

If we assume that by the planet, he simply means all continents and islands (which is more likely), then how strong would that be? The highest end of Multi-Continental is 29.6 exatons, or 29,600 Petatons. Divide that by 43 to get how much King Piccolo can do per blast. 29,600 peratons ├À 43 = 688.37 Peratons, which is Continent level.

Based on this, Young King Piccolo has Continent level attack potency, and in turn, durability.

Combat Speed and Reactions: Old King Piccolo was able to throttle Kid Goku, who was likely Massively Hypersonic+ at the time. That would scale to him as well.

We know King Piccolo reacted to the initial Kamehameha by Goku. He just didn't stop it, as Goku bent it. However his eyes clearly followed. http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/149746/3812082-1235964664-10.jp.jpg As I said in the Kid Goku speed section, this gives Young KP Sub-Rel reactions

Stats

Old: DC/Durability = City level+ Combat Speed = At least Massively Hypersonic+

Young: DC/Durability = Continent level Combat Speed = Sub-Relavistic

Was gonna go further with this, but for now that's all.

 

[Jeune_fou]

I don't think that's legit unfortunately. The fact that master Roshi blew up the moon is considered an outlier (since he was defeated by characters that clearly were not moon busters themself.


So using that as a speed feat makes it's "legitimacy" questionnable. Not to mention before 23rd budokai, Goku had to train to dodge lightning and that seemed impossible for him while someone with sub-relavistic speed should casually do it. So, since the 23rd budokai, Gokuand Piccolo are treated as "massively hypersonic + likely higher". Indeed, Kami has problems to see Goku and Piccolo with his "divine eyes".

 

[Huesito88]

He is trying to find out if the speed in which the kamehameha wave hit wasn't a outliner but the moon blowing up was

 

[Sparky_"Dante"_Marky1234]

I don't think that's legit unfortunately. The fact than master Roshi blew up the moon is considered an outlier (since he was defeated by characters that clearly were not moon busters themself.


So using that as a speed feat makes it's "legitimacy" questionnable. Not to mention before 23rd budokai, Goku had to train to dodge lightning and that seemed impossible for him while someone with sub-relavistic speed should casually do it. So, since the 23rd budokai, Gokuand Piccolo are treated as "massively hypersonic + likely higher". Indeed, Kami has problems to see Goku and Piccolo with his "divine eyes".

What Huesito said. Also, tbe moon was brought back, meaning it was destroyed. It just makes the AP outlier. The speed of the bwam is still usable.

If they can be placed at Sub-Rel+, the Faster Than Lightning statement could be considered an inconsistency along with the 40 tons feat. Not to mention that after Popo tells Goku to be faster than lightning and calmer than the sky, Goku claims that it's hard. Knowing wht he referred to, he told him about being calmer than the sky.

 

[Aimenaltair]

I don't think the staff is going to accept this, even tho I agree.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

First of all the entire roshi moon feat is considered an outlier ap and speed included, saying an attack from roshi is even comparable to a far stronger piccolo doesn't make any sense, plus it contradicts later established feats as no speed feat later on from the original dragon ball is that fast even if we took the statement about goku being faster than lightning seriously, so sub rel kid goku no makes no sense. King piccolo being continent level is complete nonesense he has no feats to suggest that and the statement about being able to destroy the planet in 43 blasts is clearly hyperbolic as stronger characters have no feats on such a level, even if we took piccolo's explosive wave feat of destroying papaya island (which was calc at large island level by the way) and go by the what the guidebooks say (which we don't use here) and we go by what the guidebooks say that stated papaya island was the size of a small continent, 23 budokai goku and piccolo would be small continient level by feats yet king piccolo was continent level while 23 budokai goku and piccolo who are stronger than him are small continent level that makes no sense.

 

[Sparky_"Dante"_Marky1234]

Theboutlier in the feat was the attack potency. Did this in fact happen? Yes. The moon as then brought back later on. However, the outluer in the feat is the fact that no one later in the series is capable of busting the moon, not that no one is capable of Sub-Rel ki beams. Regarding it contradicting later feats, I could simply bring up Goku aim dodging a light speed solar flare, which indeed is FTL (though whether it should be used or not is another story).

Double standards. This community has used statements before without really second guessing it, as they do not disagree. When they do, they simply claim that the feat never happened. And a Continent level King Piccolo wouldn't even seem that ludicrous when you actually think about it.

23rd Budokai Goku is confirmed Moon level. http://i61.tinypic.com/y049g.png And yes, the guides have been used. That is why Cell and others are labeled as Solar System level. Hell, Marvel characters have several stats based on guides.

 

[ZeoParadox]

I can tell you right now that this is probably not getting accepted. I wouldn't be surprised if someone already tried this.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The entirety of the feat is an outlier no one in the series replicated that feat, no one is capable of sub-rel ki beams except for roshi as no one else above him showcased a feat of similar speed, again it makes no sense to think roshi ki blast is even remotely comparably to piccolo's.What you are saying makes no sense in the context of the series,if kid goku was ftl why is sayain saga piccolo still showing sub-rel feats you could argue well clearly there are feats from before that show he was already that fast so clearly he can do more but that doesn't make any sense when even someone like freeza is still only showing ftl+ speed feats if they were ftl since the original dragon ball why are their feats not linear?Why is freeza not mftl by feats then?He should be if even kid goku is ftl, and then you will probably say well freeza is mftl, well where are the feats to support that?His feats show he is ftl+,like 20x ftl if i remember correctly but if kid goku is ftl why is freeza only 20x faster?See it makes no sense because again kid goku dodging the solar flare is an inconsistency. 23 goku is moon level by those guidebooks yet never showcased any moon level feat with his best feat being at large island level.There is just so much wrong here,you seem to want to accept every feat if it's showcased in the series but we can't do that, feats and statements have to make sense in the context of the story,anyway not wasting anymore time here the mods won't accept this someone will probably close this thread soon.

 

[Camilopezo]

The entirety of the feat is an outlier no one in the series replicated that feat, no one is capable of sub-rel ki beams except for roshi as no one else above him showcased a feat of similar speed, again it makes no sense to think roshi ki blast is even remotely comparably to piccolo's.What you are saying makes no sense in the context of the series,if kid goku was ftl why is sayain saga piccolo still showing sub-rel feats you could argue well clearly there are feats from before that show he was already that fast so clearly he can do more but that doesn't make any sense when even someone like freeza is still only showing ftl+ speed feats if they were ftl since the original dragon ball why are their feats not linear?Why is freeza not mftl by feats then?He should be if even kid goku is ftl, and then you will probably say well freeza is mftl, well where are the feats to support that?His feats show he is ftl+,like 20x ftl if i remember correctly but if kid goku is ftl why is freeza only 20x faster?See it makes no sense because again kid goku dodging the solar flare is an inconsistency. 23 goku is moon level by those guidebooks yet never showcased any moon level feat with his best feat being at large island level.There is just so much wrong here,you seem to want to accept every feat if it's showcased in the series but we can't do that, feats and statements have to make sense in the context of the story,anyway not wasting anymore time here the mods won't accept this someone will probably close this thread soon.

Bump.


23rd goku is a little weaker than Goku BoZ, so that the 5-C of goku is a possibility.

 

[Damage3245]

Bumping something from 2016? Shouldn't this be closed?