Kefla vs Fusion Zamasu

[Fankid]

zamasu was spreading throughout, he didn't cover more than a single time line just after his body was destroyed, she could have the opportunity to kill him while he's restricted to one, killing her self as well.

zamasu could spread in time.

zamasu could take her off guard and kill her.

i still go inconclusive, goodbye.

 

[SuperDragoon978]

3-A Fusion Zamasu stomps horribly. Kefla is likely much weaker and less skilled and too overconfident. Zamasu is also ridiculously tanky by living a Final Kamehameha with minimal damage. That same attack would K.O. Kefla.

 

[SITHISIT]

3-A Fusion Zamasu stomps horribly. Kefla is likely much weaker and less skilled and too overconfident. Zamasu is also ridiculously tanky by living a Final Kamehameha with minimal damage. That same attack would K.O. Kefla.

its low 2-C zamasu vs low 2-C kefla

 

[Siegfried10]

It would require to destroy the Universe to kill Zamasu (and before he expands beyond Trunks timeline). Even if she destroyed the universe and killed Zamasu she would also die, its more likely that Zamasu just destroys Planet Salad and wins

 

[Fankid]

what if she's fast enough to go from planet to planet before she suffocates?

 

[Numbersguy]

what if she's fast enough to go from planet to planet before she suffocates?

Easy. Zamasu blows up the planet she lands in, then does it again and again until she can't find more planets

 

[Antoniofer]

Also, not all the the planets in universe are habitable, the next planet with breathable air could be way afar from Salad. Zamasu can also attack her in her way to another planet, difficulting her to hold her breath.

 

[BlackMageVi]

Considering that when the universe is destroyed it's this weird sparkly void that's breathable, Kefla could technically survive. Even in the anime it's shown that one can survive the void left behind in an empty universe. Even speak in it. I'd also like to mention that it'd be OOC for Infinite Zamasu to destroy the planet. He could have done it in his fight with Goku but instead he chose to rain ki blasts down to kill the rest of the humans.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I vote for Infinite "Nuclear Bomb" Zamasu via Planet bust and fra.

 

[RoyGundam]

what if she's fast enough to go from planet to planet before she suffocates?

Immortal Soul Zamasu is nearly omnipresent and could arguably destroy any planet Kefla could possibly aim for

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

It would require to destroy the Universe to kill Zamasu (and before he expands beyond Trunks timeline). Even if she destroyed the universe and killed Zamasu she would also die, its more likely that Zamasu just destroys Planet Salad and wins

It would require hax to kill incoporeal Zamasu. Kefla doesn't have hax. So her attacks can not reach him. He is the Universe.

 

[ZeroTwo64]

Zamasu via Non-Corporeality and Immortality

 

[Ovrhide]

Lol, if this was jiren vs Fused Zamasu, people would have trouble making an excuse for zamasu winning (Since Jiren is able to survive the vacume of space), although the most logical conclusion would be inconclusive? Unless Fused zamasu does die after you destroy the universe, in which case jiren wins, since lack of oxygen isnt an obsticle.

 

[Sword_guy_Z]

Zamasu definitely wins this. Kefla does have him in strength and speed, but Zamasu easily outlasts her. Even if she did kill him, he would end up becoming the Universe itself.

 

[CantStoptheCrobat]

Zamasu doesn't win.


Kefla said she can "destroy an entire universe in one shot" and given the fact she's scaled to beings like UI Goku I'm pretty sure she takes it.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Crobat You do know that Zamasu is non-corporeal right? She can't hit zamasu.

 

[Stryk3r1337]

My vote goes to Zamas FRA

 

[Skylietz]

I doubt even the Angels are capable to eradicate Infinite Zamasu

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

I doubt even the Angels are capable to eradicate Infinite Zamasu

Not to mention that with each time passing IZ will become 2C.

 

[ProspectX]

@Komi

All angels, could easly destroy IZ through powerscaling. And since Zamasu is simply 4-D, not truly non-corporeal then kefla could affect him by blowing up the universe.

Jiren>UI goku>Kefla>Zamasu.

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

@Komi
All angels, could easly destroy IZ through powerscaling. And since Zamasu is simply 4-D, not truly non-corporeal then kefla could affect him by blowing up the universe.

Jiren>UI goku>Kefla>Zamasu.

He is non-corporeal... (Goku and co couldn't hit him) And Zeno had to erase the whole Future Multiverse because Zamasu was going everywhere. He can kill Kefla by blowing the planet she is in. Zamasu is everywhere. Since the angels have not shown hax to hurt a non corporeal being they can not kill him in that form. He will become 2C and he will destroy them at the end. You have seen Zamasu's profile right? Time passes and he becomes 2C.

Low 2-C, would eventually become 2-C

 

[ProspectX]

"(Goku and co couldn't hit him)"

Because a 4-D being would be non-corporeal to them. For example, Zeno could affect him because he was far more powerful than him. Since being present over a whole timeline isnt really omnipresence or non-corporeal, but a 4-D attribute.

The angels as low 2-C would easly destroy him through power scaling. Angels>Gods of destruction, Jiren,Goku, Kefla> IZ.

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

"(Goku and co couldn't hit him)"
Because a 4-D being would be non-corporeal to them. For example, Zeno could affect him because he was far more powerful than him. Since being present over a whole timeline isnt really omnipresence or non-corporeal, but a 4-D attribute.

The angels as low 2-C would easly destroy him through power scaling. Angels>Gods of destruction, Jiren,Goku, Kefla> IZ.

That's bad logic. Zamasu has no physical form. He is omnipresent in the timeline. He spreaded everywhere and continued. Zeno has Void Manipulation and has shown he can erase anything in the DB verse. So no. A generic blast won't destroy Zamasu. You need hax. Not mention that if Zamasu's Soul was not Immortal then he would have died as Fusion Zamasu. IZ is Immortal and that's the reason his Soul exists after his body was destroyed. IZ = Zamasu's Immortal Soul.

 

[ProspectX]

What of his soul? You dont even know what a soul is, IZ is simply relatively non-corporeal because he is 4-D being. There's no contradiction here, since Omnipresence has nothing to do with dimensional scale.

Zeno's can erase beings from existence, of course. But that's also a attribute of his enormous power, not simply hax.

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

What of his soul? You dont even know what a soul is, IZ is simply relatively non-corporeal because he is 4-D being. There's no contradiction here, since Omnipresence has nothing to do with dimensional scale.
Zeno's can erase beings from existence, of course. But that's also a attribute of his enormous power, not simply hax.

Zeno has Reality Warping or you can call it Void Manipulation. That's hax. Its not a generic ki blast. Not everyone has that. Its like in other franchises like Marvel where Scarlet Witch is 2C since she has Reality Warping. That's hax.

Zeno used his Void Manipulation to destroy Zamasu. He could use a generic Ki blast but he didn't.

Explain how Zamasu survived if his Soul was not immortal! Zamasu's Soul survived and become one with the Universe and started spreading. If Zamasu's Soul wasn't Immortal he would have normally died when his body was destroyed like every other Villain. He didn't.

As for the non comporeal thing look Sauron vs Goku where Sauron is High 3A and Non-Corporeal and what others say.

Look here what the Wiki says about No-corporeal beings.

Summary
Non-Corporeal (or Incorporeal) beings are those who have no true physical form. Though they may have physical avatars or bodies, but their true essence exists non-physically, whether as a soul, as energy, or as an abstract concept. Being non-corporeal is very different than Intangibility, as an intangible being's body is their true body, it just can't be affected by conventional physical forces. A non-corporeal being does not usually have any kind of concrete, defined form, and can appear in many different forms if they wish, though the destruction of these bodies is of little relevance to the entity behind them.

Abstract beings are typically non-corporeal.

Killing Non-Corporeal Beings
Incorporeal beings can be killed through;

• Soul Manipulation, as long as the entity in question has a soul.
• Reality Warping
• Conceptual Manipulation
• Time Manipulation

among other means. Some Non-Corporeal beings, for example, require bodies to survive, and therefore can be killed by destroying their bodies and keeping them from getting any hosts.

 

[Jobbo]

How come this hasn't already been declared a stomp? She has no way to bypass his immortality.

 

[ProspectX]

"Explain how Zamasu survived if his soul wasnt immortal"

Regardless if his physical or "non-physical"existence is immortal, he is simply a 4-D being. Thus anybody on that level can easly affect him. Existence erasure is directly a measurement of power, in Zeno's case, so whether you distinguish between void manipulation or raw power will end up 50/50.

Others have discussed this, i myself have brought this up in some thread. Omnipresence is not and cannot be deciphered with relativism or finite dimensions, even if dont happen to give you the impression that it's always been interpreted so.

 

[RoyGundam]

There is no guarrantee that Angels could defeat Infinite Zamasu.

 

[CantStoptheCrobat]

Infinite Zamasu? Immortal? Haha. No one remembers this?






There's no proof this extends to Infinite Zamasu as well, since he is just Fusion Zamasu (he didn't defuse, he still has Black in his body).

Doesn't matter if Zamasu is non-corporeal. Kefla will just launch a blast that will cover and destroy the entire universe and Zamasu with it, while sacrificing herself in the process.


Tie.

 

[Stryk3r1337]

Ummm....the reason why we got Infinite Zamasu in the first place was due to Zamasu's immortality in the fused body.

 

[CantStoptheCrobat]

Ummm....the reason why we got Infinite Zamasu in the first place was due to Zamasu's immortality in the fused body.

Yeah, but I feel like some kind of NLFish immortality is being applied here. Fusion Zamasu was half immortal, that 50% got him to Infinite Zamasu, but that doesn't mean he now is 100% immortal.

 

[TheDarkSide857]

Is this working

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

Ummm....the reason why we got Infinite Zamasu in the first place was due to Zamasu's immortality in the fused body.

Yeah, but I feel like some kind of NLFish immortality is being applied here. Fusion Zamasu was half immortal, that 50% got him to Infinite Zamasu, but that doesn't mean he now is 100% immortal.

His body was not immortal fully but his Soul was...

 

[SITHISIT]

how is this still open?

also to cantstopthecombat; his soul was immortal at base, IZ is literally Zamasu's Soul. his body destroyed Black's soul and body, and Zamasu's body but Zamasu's soul remained.

 

[ByAsura]

It's why he survived without his physical body in the first place.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Zamasu takes this with no problem. Kefla would try to keep blasting Zamasu, but to no avail. She would then defuse and Zamasu would just kill the two fusees, making sure to leave the planet intact.

 

[CantStoptheCrobat]

Infinite Zamasu still had Black in his soul. Fusion Zamasu never defused in the first place.

Also it's a NLF to say Infinite Zamasu can tank anything from someone who is > SSB Goku. Zamasu laughed at attacks from BASE Goku, BASE Vegeta and a mere SSJ Trunks. It's like expecting Base Goku to damage Hit, Jiren or something.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Infinite Zamasu still had Black in his soul. Fusion Zamasu never defused in the first place.
Also it's a NLF to say Infinite Zamasu can tank anything from someone who is > SSB Goku. Zamasu laughed at attacks from BASE Goku, BASE Vegeta and a mere SSJ Trunks. It's like expecting Base Goku to damage Hit, Jiren or something.

Dude.

Infinite Zamasu fused with Universe and became non-corporeal.

Yes, Kelfa is stronger than Zamasu, but she can't kill Zamasu without destroying herself in the process by blowing up the universe.

 

[Chartate101]

She would Universe Bust, killing herself. Inconclusive

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

But.....would she really?