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So recently I just got hooked with Cobra Kai & Karate Kid, I've been inactive on the VS Battles for a while, and I'm just getting used to this new format, so apologies if I mess anything up. But I looked up the Karate Kid pages, and I was kind of upset to see how little was put into there, I mean no offence but I feel there is much more potential that can be added, and some changes. So I'm just going to critic, review, and say what I think should change with the pages.
Summaries:
Mr. Miyagi:
While the summary is decent, I feel the summary doesn't really describe his background well enough. I think more context is needed so I made a more improved version, to better describe his background, and context.
Nariyoshi Kesuke Miyagi better known as Mr. Miyagi is the deuteragonist of the Karate Kid movies. A descendant of Shimpo Miyagi passed out and ended up on the coast of China. Shimpo returned to China with a Chinese wife and developed Miyagi Karate for his family. Born 1925 in Tomi Village, Okinawa, Japan. He became a Martial Arts master under his father. He became best friends with Sato, when the two grew apart, due to their relationship with Yukie, Sato challenged to fight him to the death, to which Miyagi denied and emigrated to the United States which later would lead up to Karate Kid 2 decades later. Later he joined the army in WW2 and earned the medal of honour. The deaths of his Wife and Son have haunted him, as they both died during a childbirth incident. Daniel would then come to him, Miyagi would train him, mentor him, and grow close to each other. This would continue into the Karate Kid series, and after his death, The Cobra Kai series.
Daniel LaRusso:
Like the last one, it misses some context though will not change the context from what it says about the Karate Kid movies.
Daniel is the main protagonist of the Karate Kid movies. He was born in New Jersey on December 18, 1966. When Daniel was 8, his father died. He seemed to enjoy life where he lived, till he moved to Reseda, California. Where the Karate Kid movies were born. His first debut was in the original film, The Karate Kid (1984). He also appeared in Part II and Part III. Although he didn't make an appearance in The Next Karate Kid (1994), he was briefly mentioned by Mr. Miyagi. Alongside Johnny Lawrence, Daniel is also one of the main protagonists of the 2018 web drama series Cobra Kai, where he has two children and owns the LaRusso Auto Group, a chain of auto-dealerships, with his wife Amanda.
John Kreese:
The context here seems fine.
Powers & Abilities:
Daniel LaRusso:
Teen:
- Accelerated Development (Trained for only months, and was capable of fighting in a tournament with Johnny and his fellow 1984 Cobra Kai students trained by John Kreese, which Johnny has trained for around 5 years. 6 months later, was capable of taking on an unbalanced Chozen, who has been training for a long time if not his lifetime as the nephew of Sato, to which Chozen is a top student of Sato. Months later, was capable of countering Mike Barnes' in a tournament when Daniel no longer feared him. Mike Barnes is implied that he was one of the best up-and-coming professional Karate fighters in the country, with a tenth-degree black belt)
- [Additional Context] Martial Arts (Daniel's style is a heavily strong defensive style. He empathizes with the opponent, to counter and goes offensive at the right moment, using standard attacks and throws to accompany them. His offence does seem to be solid, though mostly only uses it to back an opponent away, or when an opening happens. He also avoids attacks a lot and waits for openings for the right time to strike. When focused and precise, he is capable of launching a much stronger blow. He does a strong attack he does is the "Crane Kick" which is said that no Human can block it if performed correctly by Miyagi's words, which visually looks like a jump kick)
- [Will State The Upgrade Later In The Thread] Superhuman Physical Characteristics
Adult:
- Martial Arts (The same style as before, though implied to be better than his Teen counterpart. He has a much better offence and doesn't need to always wait for openings. He is an even more effective counter-attacker, using stronger and more effective moves. Shown much more efficiently smarter in fights, using his counter-attacks, and standard strikes, to incapacitate his opponents much more effectively than his younger counterpart. After learning with Chozen, he learned the Offensive way of Miyagi-Do, which is a defensive style, with strikes and moves that are meant to beat the opponent more effectively, while using the defensive style)
- [Additional Context] Weapon Mastery (Daniel is implied to be much better than Samatha, who can fight like this with a Bo Staff. Should have a good amount of experience with the weapons in his dojo. He briefly could compete with an older Chozen with a Bo Staff)
- [Additional Context] Pressure Point Attacks (Capable of hitting parts of the body, capable of rendering the part of the arm he hit temporarily immobilized, ranging from half a minute to a minute)
Johnny Lawerence:
Teen:
- [Will State The Upgrade Later In The Thread] Superhuman Physical Characteristics
- [Additional Context] Martial Arts (Johnny's style is extremely aggressive. He often strikes first, with vicious, aggressive, and complex combos to defeat his enemies. When fighting really aggressively, he uses this to strongly advance against his enemies, by charging viciously with kicks, punches, agility, and speed. He normally strikes first and will fight dirty to beat his opponents. All his standard strikes are vicious, strong, fast, and aggressive. He moves around if the opponent is a good offensive fighter, and does not hesitate to beat his opponent)
Adult:
- [Additional Context] Martial Arts (The same style as before, though implied better than his teen counterpart. Shown to be not as aggressive as his Teen counter-part, and shows to counter-attack with offence a lot in his fighter, though he is still fast, and strong while doing so. He is much smarter at calculating, by blocking, countering, and using better more efficient techniques to incapacitate his opponents. Though not as agile, he has a solid defence against opponents. His standard strikes are critical, powerful and aggressive, though doesn't try as many complex combos, they are still efficient with taking on an opponent)
Mr. Miyagi:
- [Additional Context] Martial Arts (His primary fighting style, is reading his opponent's style, waits for an opponent to attack, and avoiding attacks. Then uses their or his movement to counter theirs with a perfect position, he does this on defence and offence and most are executed with little effort. He normally takes a defensive approach. He also uses critical standard strikes to incapacitate the opponent and will use throws if necessary to take them down. Knows the offensive style of Miyagi-Do, which is a style that uses offensive more efficient strikes against opponents while defending themselves, though does not use this style due to his pacifist nature. Like Daniel, when focused and precise and he can deal a much stronger blow)
- [Additional Context] Weapon Mastery (Though not really shown. As the Master of Miyagi-Do, he should at least be superior to Daniel, Samantha, and at least comparable to Chozen, who can fight extremely well with a Bo. As well as most likely being a master of all the weapons in his dojo. As a former WW2 soldier, he should be highly skilled with Military equipment, as a Medal of Honor Recipient)
- [Additional Context] Somewhat Healing (Can make medicine that can heal injured bruises, and has a technique that can somewhat reduce the damage on Daniel's leg when it was damaged)
- [Additional Context] Pressure Point Strikes (Though he does not use the deadly aspect of Miyagi-Do, in situations he has to, he "Takes away the ability to wage war" by striking in spots that temporary immobilize the part of the body it is struck in, which can last anywhere from half a minute to a minute)
John Kreese:
- Corruption (Type 1, Capable of corrupting the minds of people he teaches. Can corrupt and change the minds of many Cobra Kai students, with his ideology)
- [Additional Context] Social Influence (An effective manipulator, capable of making Johnny who went from wanting nothing to do with him, to sympathizing with him. Capable of easily making his Cobra Kai students go under his ideology, with his teachings. An effective Karate teacher, making Johnny and his friends, strong fighters with his words. Shown to be an effective public speaker, as shown in Cobra Kai)
- [Additional Context] Martial Arts (His style consists of powerful strikes, punches, blocks and stances. He is an extremely offensive fighter, while not charging in, he slowly advances effectively, with blocks, and powerful hits, which works on defensive and offensive fighters. He also uses his size, to choke his opponents out when they are down or off-guard. In battle, he will advance till he gets a hit off on his opponent and will continue to beat them down from there. He is shown solid at counter-attacks, like occasional throws and avoiding attacks)
Possible Upgrades:
I think the Athlete Tier, at the moment, has no reason to exist. Not only does it have literally no feats to say so, but the fact it doesn't scale to Wall Level is absolutely ridiculous.
Everyone Should Scale to Wall Level:
It's too consistent for a gap that big.
- An untrained Kumiko, which Karate Kid 1 Daniel should be portrayed superior to, can strangle and briefly hold back Chozen, who is 9-B.
Possible Subsonic Outright:
- Mainly Daniel. It scales from Miyagi catching an arrow. Now the possibility comes from Daniel catching a fly, but doing it through "Luck" but to be honest, that should outright be subsonic reactions, if we do accept this. Miyagi has a difficult time and has an extremely hard time catching it with chopsticks, though in the sequel does still indeed catch it. Daniel while doing it through "Beginner's Luck" still should've somewhat reacted to it, and caught it. If he had far lower reaction times, then it wouldn't make sense for him to react to the very thing, Miyagi had a hard time reacting and catching. Why would it be Subsonic outright? Well, the fact the fighters throw punches that Daniel has a hard time reacting to and the fact they can still be reacted to by other characters. Though I'm not really that bent on this upgrade, just the 9-B upgrade for now, would be fine.
I will probably think of some redesigns for the profile descriptions for the AP, Speed, etc, for some more depth.
Summaries:
Mr. Miyagi:
While the summary is decent, I feel the summary doesn't really describe his background well enough. I think more context is needed so I made a more improved version, to better describe his background, and context.
Nariyoshi Kesuke Miyagi better known as Mr. Miyagi is the deuteragonist of the Karate Kid movies. A descendant of Shimpo Miyagi passed out and ended up on the coast of China. Shimpo returned to China with a Chinese wife and developed Miyagi Karate for his family. Born 1925 in Tomi Village, Okinawa, Japan. He became a Martial Arts master under his father. He became best friends with Sato, when the two grew apart, due to their relationship with Yukie, Sato challenged to fight him to the death, to which Miyagi denied and emigrated to the United States which later would lead up to Karate Kid 2 decades later. Later he joined the army in WW2 and earned the medal of honour. The deaths of his Wife and Son have haunted him, as they both died during a childbirth incident. Daniel would then come to him, Miyagi would train him, mentor him, and grow close to each other. This would continue into the Karate Kid series, and after his death, The Cobra Kai series.
Daniel LaRusso:
Like the last one, it misses some context though will not change the context from what it says about the Karate Kid movies.
Daniel is the main protagonist of the Karate Kid movies. He was born in New Jersey on December 18, 1966. When Daniel was 8, his father died. He seemed to enjoy life where he lived, till he moved to Reseda, California. Where the Karate Kid movies were born. His first debut was in the original film, The Karate Kid (1984). He also appeared in Part II and Part III. Although he didn't make an appearance in The Next Karate Kid (1994), he was briefly mentioned by Mr. Miyagi. Alongside Johnny Lawrence, Daniel is also one of the main protagonists of the 2018 web drama series Cobra Kai, where he has two children and owns the LaRusso Auto Group, a chain of auto-dealerships, with his wife Amanda.
John Kreese:
The context here seems fine.
Powers & Abilities:
Daniel LaRusso:
Teen:
- Accelerated Development (Trained for only months, and was capable of fighting in a tournament with Johnny and his fellow 1984 Cobra Kai students trained by John Kreese, which Johnny has trained for around 5 years. 6 months later, was capable of taking on an unbalanced Chozen, who has been training for a long time if not his lifetime as the nephew of Sato, to which Chozen is a top student of Sato. Months later, was capable of countering Mike Barnes' in a tournament when Daniel no longer feared him. Mike Barnes is implied that he was one of the best up-and-coming professional Karate fighters in the country, with a tenth-degree black belt)
- [Additional Context] Martial Arts (Daniel's style is a heavily strong defensive style. He empathizes with the opponent, to counter and goes offensive at the right moment, using standard attacks and throws to accompany them. His offence does seem to be solid, though mostly only uses it to back an opponent away, or when an opening happens. He also avoids attacks a lot and waits for openings for the right time to strike. When focused and precise, he is capable of launching a much stronger blow. He does a strong attack he does is the "Crane Kick" which is said that no Human can block it if performed correctly by Miyagi's words, which visually looks like a jump kick)
- [Will State The Upgrade Later In The Thread] Superhuman Physical Characteristics
Adult:
- Martial Arts (The same style as before, though implied to be better than his Teen counterpart. He has a much better offence and doesn't need to always wait for openings. He is an even more effective counter-attacker, using stronger and more effective moves. Shown much more efficiently smarter in fights, using his counter-attacks, and standard strikes, to incapacitate his opponents much more effectively than his younger counterpart. After learning with Chozen, he learned the Offensive way of Miyagi-Do, which is a defensive style, with strikes and moves that are meant to beat the opponent more effectively, while using the defensive style)
- [Additional Context] Weapon Mastery (Daniel is implied to be much better than Samatha, who can fight like this with a Bo Staff. Should have a good amount of experience with the weapons in his dojo. He briefly could compete with an older Chozen with a Bo Staff)
- [Additional Context] Pressure Point Attacks (Capable of hitting parts of the body, capable of rendering the part of the arm he hit temporarily immobilized, ranging from half a minute to a minute)
Johnny Lawerence:
Teen:
- [Will State The Upgrade Later In The Thread] Superhuman Physical Characteristics
- [Additional Context] Martial Arts (Johnny's style is extremely aggressive. He often strikes first, with vicious, aggressive, and complex combos to defeat his enemies. When fighting really aggressively, he uses this to strongly advance against his enemies, by charging viciously with kicks, punches, agility, and speed. He normally strikes first and will fight dirty to beat his opponents. All his standard strikes are vicious, strong, fast, and aggressive. He moves around if the opponent is a good offensive fighter, and does not hesitate to beat his opponent)
Adult:
- [Additional Context] Martial Arts (The same style as before, though implied better than his teen counterpart. Shown to be not as aggressive as his Teen counter-part, and shows to counter-attack with offence a lot in his fighter, though he is still fast, and strong while doing so. He is much smarter at calculating, by blocking, countering, and using better more efficient techniques to incapacitate his opponents. Though not as agile, he has a solid defence against opponents. His standard strikes are critical, powerful and aggressive, though doesn't try as many complex combos, they are still efficient with taking on an opponent)
Mr. Miyagi:
- [Additional Context] Martial Arts (His primary fighting style, is reading his opponent's style, waits for an opponent to attack, and avoiding attacks. Then uses their or his movement to counter theirs with a perfect position, he does this on defence and offence and most are executed with little effort. He normally takes a defensive approach. He also uses critical standard strikes to incapacitate the opponent and will use throws if necessary to take them down. Knows the offensive style of Miyagi-Do, which is a style that uses offensive more efficient strikes against opponents while defending themselves, though does not use this style due to his pacifist nature. Like Daniel, when focused and precise and he can deal a much stronger blow)
- [Additional Context] Weapon Mastery (Though not really shown. As the Master of Miyagi-Do, he should at least be superior to Daniel, Samantha, and at least comparable to Chozen, who can fight extremely well with a Bo. As well as most likely being a master of all the weapons in his dojo. As a former WW2 soldier, he should be highly skilled with Military equipment, as a Medal of Honor Recipient)
- [Additional Context] Somewhat Healing (Can make medicine that can heal injured bruises, and has a technique that can somewhat reduce the damage on Daniel's leg when it was damaged)
- [Additional Context] Pressure Point Strikes (Though he does not use the deadly aspect of Miyagi-Do, in situations he has to, he "Takes away the ability to wage war" by striking in spots that temporary immobilize the part of the body it is struck in, which can last anywhere from half a minute to a minute)
John Kreese:
- Corruption (Type 1, Capable of corrupting the minds of people he teaches. Can corrupt and change the minds of many Cobra Kai students, with his ideology)
- [Additional Context] Social Influence (An effective manipulator, capable of making Johnny who went from wanting nothing to do with him, to sympathizing with him. Capable of easily making his Cobra Kai students go under his ideology, with his teachings. An effective Karate teacher, making Johnny and his friends, strong fighters with his words. Shown to be an effective public speaker, as shown in Cobra Kai)
- [Additional Context] Martial Arts (His style consists of powerful strikes, punches, blocks and stances. He is an extremely offensive fighter, while not charging in, he slowly advances effectively, with blocks, and powerful hits, which works on defensive and offensive fighters. He also uses his size, to choke his opponents out when they are down or off-guard. In battle, he will advance till he gets a hit off on his opponent and will continue to beat them down from there. He is shown solid at counter-attacks, like occasional throws and avoiding attacks)
Possible Upgrades:
I think the Athlete Tier, at the moment, has no reason to exist. Not only does it have literally no feats to say so, but the fact it doesn't scale to Wall Level is absolutely ridiculous.
Everyone Should Scale to Wall Level:
It's too consistent for a gap that big.
- An untrained Kumiko, which Karate Kid 1 Daniel should be portrayed superior to, can strangle and briefly hold back Chozen, who is 9-B.
- Nothing suggests Daniel got that much physically stronger. It was a 6-month time-skip and nothing was implied he got that much stronger, in that much time.
- Modern-day Teens (Kyler's Gang) could harm, Cobra Kai Johnny. Daniel Pre-Training should at least be somewhat comparable to that.
- Daniel's training isn't even one that gets him an enormous amount of strength, so the fact he can go 10-A to 9-B is ridiculous.
- A Younger Johnny and Cobra Kai members could take a hit from Miyagi, with only a black eye in the aftermath.
- In the verse. If Teens are portrayed as capable of damaging 9-B's (Kyler, Robby), in the same era, and modern era. Then a Johnny and Daniel around the same size, and are martial artists, should literally scale to that.
- Should be noted that Daniel can block Miyagi's punches, while a block isn't exactly AP. Being an athlete and hitting a wall to the side. Does not make sense.
- There should only be two keys. A Karate Kid & Cobra Kai, key for Johnny and Daniel. They're only around 17 in Karate Kid, and around their 50s in Cobra Kai, a physical change definitely has happened, with them having more training and a somewhat different mindset. Evident when Daniel and Johnny can both fight better and are considerably more bulk than they were.
Possible Subsonic Outright:
- Mainly Daniel. It scales from Miyagi catching an arrow. Now the possibility comes from Daniel catching a fly, but doing it through "Luck" but to be honest, that should outright be subsonic reactions, if we do accept this. Miyagi has a difficult time and has an extremely hard time catching it with chopsticks, though in the sequel does still indeed catch it. Daniel while doing it through "Beginner's Luck" still should've somewhat reacted to it, and caught it. If he had far lower reaction times, then it wouldn't make sense for him to react to the very thing, Miyagi had a hard time reacting and catching. Why would it be Subsonic outright? Well, the fact the fighters throw punches that Daniel has a hard time reacting to and the fact they can still be reacted to by other characters. Though I'm not really that bent on this upgrade, just the 9-B upgrade for now, would be fine.
I will probably think of some redesigns for the profile descriptions for the AP, Speed, etc, for some more depth.
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